Clobbering enemies from afar using high damage flatbows to the head coupled with Marksman's Wager + Serpent's Quickness should be SOMETHING the monk would have to worry a bit about.
Flatbows don't do more damage then any bow. The highest damage output bows are half-moon and shortbow because of their fast fire rate.
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And remember, it's two high dmg rangers burying a called target. Any power I'm dealing is backed by equal power from my g/f.
Same with monks, except they come in threes generally.
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At close range, our surprise attack is the Frozen Burst + Lightning Touch Combo. [though now that it's here, it's not much of a surprise now is it? lol] In theory it SHOULD hit for well over 120+ dmg to a person/mob nearby. With hp totals in game nearing a little over 500+ dmg on average, that's not small dmg. (and if it is, good luck catching us since frozen burst slows ya down for 9 seconds+ ^_^)
Calculate armour into the game first. The idea is nice, but your overestimating the damage.
29 May 2005 at 15:53 - 12
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Sorry but the dps we get for 800 gold I'm pretty sure isn't worth it.
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Are you kidding? It's quite definitely worth it. You're already using a lot of other skills in the build that give you a LOT less DPS than Conjure Element would (e.g. Precision Shot and Penetrating Attack).
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Please don't post any more conjure+etc. combos cause our R/E just can't do it anymore due to Anet's decision.
You mean due to your own decision. It's still perfectly possible, it's only your own decision that prevents you from doing it, not Anet's.
29 May 2005 at 16:09 - 13
First of all i dont see exactly why you damn the bowstring so much....
I mean the ONLY real disadvantage there is to a elemental bowstring is that you cant have the Zealous bowstring...
I mean you talk like an elemental bowstring is the end of the world, like it will only do 1 damage or something...
Second if you started playing ranger because you thought it could bring down damage, you should have let you informed better...
I mean for PvE a ranger will do quite good damage... but for PvP a ranger doesnt match the damage given by the Warriors...
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Third (and maybe most important), why dont you just try out ur build, if you dont like R/E just switch secondary professionl, since you can do that later in the game... i mean i started as R/E and after i saw that the E part wasnt really helping anything (i mean if i want extra damage i'll take a prep.), and i swtiched to R/Me...
29 May 2005 at 19:04 - 14
People rate the zealous string so highly... don't the -1 regen annoy ppl? Constant energy degenaration, the only time i see it is really good is when you couple it with barrage but then again a vampiric string seems great in that situation too but yet they don't favour it much..
Anyway if you want to stay as R/E and like marksman wager why dont u try using Quickening Zephyr instead of serpents quickness or along with it. I mean you just summon it and it stays there for really long and doubles recharge rate.. downside is 30% extra energy but that really isn't a problem with high expertise and marksman wager going. So if you do that then I usually like to do marksman wager + penetrating atk and you can cast penetrating atk so much quicker..
Also I don't really think dual shot should be there, atleast not without kindle arrows or ignite arrows. I recommend you replace that with apply poison for some DoT damage, it will go well with hunters shot.
29 May 2005 at 19:45 - 15
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People rate the zealous string so highly... don't the -1 regen annoy ppl? Constant energy degenaration, the only time i see it is really good is when you couple it with barrage but then again a vampiric string seems great in that situation too but yet they don't favour it much..
Anyway if you want to stay as R/E and like marksman wager why dont u try using Quickening Zephyr instead of serpents quickness or along with it. I mean you just summon it and it stays there for really long and doubles recharge rate.. downside is 30% extra energy but that really isn't a problem with high expertise and marksman wager going. So if you do that then I usually like to do marksman wager + penetrating atk and you can cast penetrating atk so much quicker..
Also I don't really think dual shot should be there, atleast not without kindle arrows or ignite arrows. I recommend you replace that with apply poison for some DoT damage, it will go well with hunters shot.
I LIKE this info. And yes, I'm doing this due to ANET'S decision because if they DIDN'T nerf conjure, I'd be fine. I'm not going to complain but I do want people to stop thinking that I am. There's always an alternative and thanks to this post. I think I found it. Though I wonder if my teammates would mind that nature ritual? [shudder]
Little note: Dual Shot's double hit supposed to affect Marksman's in the fact that both arrows for 6 or so energy will net me 16 energy when they hit. I've set up the recycle times for these things to overlap ever so slightly because I'd rather have a skill always ready to fly then to wait an entire second for one to recharge.
I'm not sure if I'm overestimating the damage. Who gets point blank? Warriors. Who's weak to lightning damage? Warriors. From what I've seen, the 60 dmg from the Frozen Burst will be toned down, that's a given, but the 60 + 25% armor penetration from the Lightning Touch should double over. And again, it's not just damage, 9 seconds of slowing the warrior down should be enough to get the hell away.
Yes, I know that Ranger's don't have the highest dps in existence but that's the drawback of fighting ranged. Flatbows have an obscene range from all the bows I've tested and since their rate of fire is well known to be crap. I've decided to just feed the dps with nothing but special attacks. This ranger shouldn't do a single normal shot at all and just chain-fire all of his special skills back to back.
HOWEVER, since there's wilderness survival involved, I can easily flip this build around to be a more map oriented trap ranger. But I'm still interested in massive longest [not long, LOOONGEST] range damage. Thanks to the above poster for helping! ^_^
29 May 2005 at 21:55 - 16
BTW, if you decide to use greater conflaguration, note that its an elite.
29 May 2005 at 22:57 - 17
as luck would have it, I find a 28 max dmg lightning bow of shelter for my g/f in the final stage... bah...
now if I was ONLY so lucky I might get an icy bow of fortitude [yeah, like that's gonna happen...]
29 May 2005 at 23:04 - 18
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But I'm still interested in massive longest [not long, LOOONGEST] range damage.
Well, if you truly are interested in massive damage, for a Ranger/Elementalist, the four best damage buffs are:
1) Tiger's Fury [Stance]. You do 50% more damage during it's duration (you get 2/3 time/attack, which means 3/2 attacks/time, which is a 50% damage increase), and that's not only 50% more damage from your bow, but 50% more from each other damage buff you're using.
2) Kindle Arrows [Preparation]. Alternately, Ignite Arrows which does less damage to individual targets but way more damage to groups. For sniping an individual target, however, Kindle Arrows is your best bet.
3) Conjure Element [Enchantment].
4) Favorable Winds [Nature Ritual]. Yes, it's only +6, but it lasts a good long time, and remember Tiger's Fury is boosting all your damage buffs another 50%.
All of these have the advantage of reasonably long durations, thus don't actually require much energy (so screw the Zealous bowstring, you don't need it), and they don't step on each other. The disadvantage is you're now looking at a five attribute build (when you throw in Expertise with the attributes for the four skills above, probably 10/8/8/8/7, 12/9/9/8/8 after mask and minor runes), but what extra damage you'd gain by maxing out any of the attributes behind any of these skills is less than what you'd lose by giving up one of the other skills.
How do these skills compare with other damage skills? Quite well, actually. Consider just the weakest one: Favorable Winds. That's only +6 per attack, but over 6 seconds, you're going to get 4-5 attacks in (remember Tiger's Fury), so that's +24-30 extra damage over six seconds, say +24 on average (not 27 because Tiger's Fury will only be up 90% of the time). By way of comparison, Power Shot only adds +18 damage every 6 seconds, at a considerably larger cost in terms of mana. So even the worst of these is a better choice than something like Power/Precision Shot for a "massive damage" ranger. Conjure Element is significantly better, and Kindle Arrows better still.
Of course, this isn't an either/or situation -- you can use all these buffs and a couple skills like Power Shot too. The buffs only take four of your eight skills slots, you can still do other stuff too. In fact, add:
5) Dual Shot. This one is a no brainer: that 75% rule only applies to the actual damage from the bow itself, all the buffs take full effect on both arrows, so you'd be insane not to include it in this kind of build.
So, I'd say those five skills really form the basis for a real "massive ranged damage" build. You can choose to pass up on one or two, but each one you pass up on is going to decrease the amount of damage you do, at which point you're not really looking for damage as much as other things (e.g. using Frozen Burst for the slow effect; the extra damage it gives you is small compared to most other skills that you could select and actually use more than twice a minute -- at that point, you're pretty much abandoning the concept of a massive damage ranger in favor of a "dirty tricks" ranger: less damage, more slowdowns/interrupts/conditions/etc).
30 May 2005 at 03:16 - 19
Just tell me your in game names and ill buy the bowstrings for you.
30 May 2005 at 06:17 - 20
Shaubarak, you don't need to buy her a bowstring anymore, now that she has a gold lightning bow [  ]
But I don't need one either. though I wouldn't mind just gaming with ya in general. Name for my power ranger is Bokka Serenade...
And Tiger's Fury really sounds good... hmm, instead of wilderness surivival go beast mastery for that speed stance... I'd lose the power to fall to traps as an alternative and would a faster attack speed stance really be better than a "rapid fire nothing but fast recharging specials" stance?
Upon closer inspection, I'd only have 1s. of downtime for Tiger's Fury vs. quite a few seconds recycle time for Serpent's Quickness... Ah, decisions decisions. If I abandon wilderness to go for that high speed in yo face extra damage stance, then perhaps I'D do it. I like dmg and don't like the idea of fancy traps. More killing, less thinking...  THANKS A BUNCH
30 May 2005 at 08:29 - 21
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Originally Posted by Howling Wind
People rate the zealous string so highly... don't the -1 regen annoy ppl? Constant energy degenaration, the only time i see it is really good is when you couple it with barrage but then again a vampiric string seems great in that situation too but yet they don't favour it much..
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Well you dont get energy DEGEN you just get lesser energy gain...
Instead of 3 arrows of energy gain, you get 2 arrows (that translates from 3 energy in 3 seconds to 2 energy in 3 seconds)...
But with a shortbow + tigers fury, you fire almost 2 times in those 3 seconds, thus gaining back 2 energy... so in the end you almost always end up with a 4 arrow energy gain... THATS the advantage of zealous...
And then im not even talking about coupling it with barrage...
As for the vampiric... ur totally off, vampiric can only give a maximum of 5 health per shot (highest mod ive seen), which is nice, but doesnt make it compared to the zealous string...
Rangers need the energy, energy bar is only 31 (with druids armor) and health bar can reach over 500...
gaining 1 energy is gaining 1/31st of your energy back, whereas gaining health only gives 5/500 = 1/100th of your health back...
And like i said, if you really dont care about the Zealous bowstring i see absolutely NO reason why not to take an elemental bowstring...
IMO its either elemental, zealous and maybe poiseners and vampiric but mainly the first 2...
All the others are "10% chance of" strings which i totally hate, id rather take a string of which i know it always works then a string which gives me a small boast for 1 per 10 shots...
This is also exaclty the reason why i dont get the orriginal poster made such a fuzz about this... he doenst mention anywhere that he wants another bowstring, if it was a post that he's angry because he always liked the zealous (or anohter string), and didnt like the idea of that ... OK ... it would make sence... but now he is just cursing at a bowstring without telling why he doesnt want it...
And to reply to this:
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And yes, I'm doing this due to ANET'S decision because if they DIDN'T nerf conjure, I'd be fine. I'm not going to complain but I do want people to stop thinking that I am.
Mate i could be wrong, but i think Anet nerfed this in the last beta already, that would make it YOUR fault... if you would only have informed urself better, then to just pick a build you would have known that you needed a elemental bowstring for conjure element.... So dont shove the blame to Anet...
I myself dont like the nerf neither i must admit, but they did it for good reasons, conjure + zealous string + tigers fury + barrage was just too powerful and that completely made the warrior build useless...
30 May 2005 at 13:37 - 22
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Who's weak to lightning damage? Warriors.
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Wrong. Some lightning skills have armour penetration, therefore since it's a % works best on warriors. You still do much more damage on a caster then a warrior, just that you can actually dent a warrior now.
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From what I've seen, the 60 dmg from the Frozen Burst will be toned down, that's a given, but the 60 + 25% armor penetration from the Lightning Touch should double over.
I'm confused. How would Frozen Burst be affected by Lightning Touch other then the double damage of LT itself? The cold damage is still going to be crap.
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Flatbows have an obscene range from all the bows I've tested and since their rate of fire is well known to be crap.
If you bothered to read the chart, you'd see that flatbows have the fastest attack rate, yet the most pathetic trajectory, therefore making it a arch bow. It's too easily dodgable for flat ground.
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This ranger shouldn't do a single normal shot at all and just chain-fire all of his special skills back to back.
No rangers using a bow relies on normal shots ever. Everyone machine gun spams their skills. That's why expertise is so valued.
30 May 2005 at 19:55 - 23
Btw, mr. smart mouth, I do read the charts here, but the fact is, the flatbow's high arch / range means that the arrow hits the target way later.
It's rate of fire is fast but the fact that it catapults the arrow higher and farther than normal negates its 'fast firing rate'.
I'm glad lots of helpful people gave input but these smart mouths don't know me so they should just shut up.
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Wait a second, that longbow data and flatbow data is off. [from what I've tested / witnessed 2 days ago]
When I was firing my flatbow at an enemy then switched to my longbow, my ranger took a whole 4 steps before refiring... Longbow's range is either not accurate or something's up.
It's not a bug I'm sure for I was firing at the same enemy at different distances when I shot both bows. Enemy wasn't moving...
31 May 2005 at 00:05 - 24
Hmm, range of flatbows and longbows should be same, if longbow range is gone down then that is totally wrong, longbow should always have the longest range (hence longbow..)
Btw since you like damaged dealing have you thought of using earth magic? like obsidian flame and crystal wave that ignore defence completely? Its not a bad choice with some protective spells to aid as well.
If you really wanna be ritualits then you can combine favorable winds + winnowing that combine for an extra 10dmg per hit (physical) but relying on too many rituals isn't really good, first of they take precious skills slots and can be easily destroyed. On the other hand effect range and lasting time is very high so you can cast it somehwere afar and hope nobody gets to it :P
Trapper is good, its an effective way to protect your self from warriors, you can put 2 traps in front of you and when the warriors comes after you he may unknowlingly step on it and boom you get the advantage while he takes dmg and suffers from conditions. But you have to place them in a way that he is likely to step on it, it will really suck if he avoids it. Also don't raise your beastmastery too high for tigers fury, just leave it at 4 or 6 to get 7 or 8 seconds of lasting time, which is good and with quickenying zephyr you can have constant tigers fury..nice.
About the zealous...might give it a shot, now that I have a really good rare shortbow and love to spam tigers fury all the time :P
Vampiric isn't that bad too, barrage could you net you an average 20hp per shot, combine that with monk skills enchantments like live vicarously + mending then you got urself 30+ hp per shot and 3 pip health regen + tigers fury is even better (for PvE situations that is, in PvP it will probably taken care of quite quickly..sad).
Btw ppl say expertise helps skill recharge..is this true? I can't really tell the difference.
31 May 2005 at 00:20 - 25
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Btw, mr. smart mouth, I do read the charts here, but the fact is, the flatbow's high arch / range means that the arrow hits the target way later.
Not if you stand closer to the target..
31 May 2005 at 06:40 - 26
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Not if you stand closer to the target.. 
Oh that's good, a sniper shooting REALLY CLOSE to the enemy...
^_^
I liked that idea about going Earth Magic. Yes I like damage and yes, distance is my goal with this build. [then again, aren't all bow rangers supposed to play like that? :\] Ah, this game's possibilities...
*runs to character simulator
02 Jun 2005 at 06:43 - 27
Screw all this crappy build stuff... Just get Zealous String with Greater Conflag... anyone who has actually used barrage knows that it doesn't really work too well unless the enemies are really close. Having Greater Conflag will allow you to use conjure flame, and give you incredible defense if you are wearing drakescale. Then add in some Kindle Arrows, Tigers Fury and Favorable Winds and you are a machine. Don't forget the good ol throw dirt, penetrating attack, and whirling defense and you got yourself a powerful build for pve, that can easily be modified for more usefulness in pvp. If you want you can switch out penetrating for dual shot and kindle for ignite for more AoE goodness.
The Zealous string will also allow you to have slightly lower expertise...5 or 6 and pump Fire/Wilderness higher for more damage.
02 Jun 2005 at 09:19 - 28
'crappy build stuff'?
How open minded you are. I originally planned a build to use Mark of Rodgort with Conjure Flame... Oh yeah very original...
Am I not allowed to do something different? I was hoping to make this thread with the idea people would help improve the build... NOT change it all together to another totally different build. Or scrap the build...
I chose ice, my g/f chose air. There's an air skill that complements an ice skill. It's a nice teamwork tactic. Teams are good, I hope...
02 Jun 2005 at 09:37 - 29
Yes but 2 man teams aren't. Gl with taking down 4 w/mo with ur tactics or even 1 mo. I know for a fact that as soon as you think you are going to nuke me up goes protective spirit and you honestly think im going to stand still while anything with an E in it runs up next to me?
01 Jul 2005 at 21:59 - 30
Does that mean stormbow's range has dropped with long bow? Cause then I'm screwed. By the way, what is this affixation for not spending 800 gold for 16 added damage per hit? Would you buy a 19-31 bow for 800 gold?
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