Change the 24 hour post rule in the trade forum.

MCS

MCS

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

This rule is COMPLETE bullshit.

I had 2 threads closed because of this rule so I PMed ending, the genius behind this rule, and started complaining.

He brushed me off telling me it was needed. I felt I was being singled out for whatever reason and started posting Quote:
2 posts within 24 hours! ENDING CLOSE PLEASE! In every thread that was violating his rule.

It turns out about 80% of all active threads are violating this rule, who knew?

He closed a few of them before he realized what I was doing. Then he said I was going to be banned and another mod PMed me telling me the same.

Yes thank you for threatening me mods. I was unaware that pointing out stupid rules was a banable offence.

I tried to TELL you how stupid your rule was but that got me nowhere. I show you how stupid it is and you threaten to have me banned.

What kind of site is this?

EDIT: They appear to have started deleting my posts instead of closing the threads. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Yes?

If I don't point it out they aren't breaking rules?

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

The administrators have no problem with EnDinG's rule, so why do you?

Constantly spamming every open topic you can find, aggressively trolling, and calling EnDinG out to come beat you up is not tolerated.

Also, whinging with foul language is no way to get your point across.

Understand?

MCS

MCS

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Principa Discordia
The administrators have no problem with EnDinG's rule, so why do you?

Constantly spamming every open topic you can find, aggressively trolling, and calling EnDinG out to come beat you up is not tolerated.

Also, whinging with foul language is no way to get your point across.

Understand?
Perhaps you're confused, I didn't constantly spam every open thread. I Constantly spammed every open thread that was breaking his rule.

People aren't following your rules and you do not care? Why have the rule then if it only applies to people Ending chooses.

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

This isn't even worth me wasting my time on, I do not feed trolls.

We'll simply wait and see what the administrators decide to do about the situation.

Goodbye.

EnDinG

Keyboard + Mouse > Pen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/W

1) I never said you were going to be banned. I said that it is possible you could be for trolling posts.
2) I never threatened you, I was giving you a heads up incase the admins saw your posts and figured this was a no no.

Never put words into my mouth.

As for the forum guidelines? I posted them up for all mods and admins to view before putting them into effect. I have made sure that any changes to them were marked OK by the admins before posting updates or editing the guidelines.

These are just as much of the admins as mine, leaving what they say as the final word which I tend to enforce upon my descression.

If it makes you feel any better, the first version of this proposed (before I offered changes) was 7 days before any new posts, then brought down to 5 (by my choice) then down to 1 (again by my choice) both times backed by the admin. So if anything, you should by rights be happy its not 7 and that I actually decided that 5 was too long so I would try out a new number which shouldn't have caused any problem.

I am just doing what I've been asked to do, moderate forums. Any time you are able to reply to a question with a PM instead of a post is always the best answer in order to keep "reply bumps" from forcing a flow of 2nd pagers to the 1st page. Its what I like to call the "bump loop". I posted an example of this in the first guideline thread found in our trade forums if you wish reference of what I'm talking about.


And I don't call them rules, I call them guidelines, rules are ment to be followed, guidelines I can strech out depending on circumstances.

MCS

MCS

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Join Date: May 2005

I've still yet to receive an answer to the "question what is trolling?"

I'm not attempting to claim you randomly threw these "guidelines" in without the approval of the admins. I am saying that despite the fact that they may have thought they were good before I feel they are ineffective and cause more problems than they solve.

Principa even claimed I was spamming every active thread. Well thats the point isn't it? Every active thread is breaking your rule. How effective can it be if everyone is breaking it and nothing is being done in most of the cases?

This isn't an attack against you it's an attack against the silly "guideline".

I wouldn't have cared in the least if both of my threads were closed but it was happening to everyone who breaks this rule, it isn't.

Either you're spread too thin to enforce it or you draw names out of a hat on who to enforce it with.

I "trolled" (whatever that means because you won't tell me) to prove a point and I proved it well.

If I simply made this thread and said everyone was breaking your rule you would tell me it wasn't true.

I've stopped now and never intended on doing it for long only long enough to prove how ineffective this guideline is.

I'm not even asking that it be removed, I'm asking that it gets changed.

You can easily tell what thread should be closed and what thread shouldn't

A thread where someone answers someones question should NOT be closed.

A thread where someone bumps 4 times in 12 hours should.

Your reason for closing both threads (except that you really don't close any except a select few) is that if someone with a real reason to repond bumps their tread with their response then the person with no real reason will have to bump to get ahead.

Well here is an idea, if that person bumps purely for the sake of bumping CLOSE THEIR THREAD.

Enforce it with everyone or don't enforce it at all.

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

*Sigh.*

MCS, I've tried to explain to you (in a multitude of PM's which I can quote right here if you like) what trolling is, and exactly what you are doing wrong.

You're spamming in people's threads, and you're constantly calling out a moderator with flames and insulting tones. If you don't like how EnDinG is doing his job, then PM an administrator.

You chose to troll, flame, and spam. Deal with it.

As I have told you many times now, the administrators have been made aware of this situation and they will decide what to do with you. Considering your behaviour, it honestly would not surprise me if you were banned.

If it were my decision, you would be. Consider yourself lucky that I'm merely a moderator.

EnDinG

Keyboard + Mouse > Pen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/W

Me = 1 person.
I try to do as many as I can in the time span I'm online. Unfortunatly I do have a life.

MCS

MCS

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Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by EnDinG
Me = 1 person.
I try to do as many as I can in the time span I'm online. Unfortunatly I do have a life. Doesn't change the fact that the rule is absurd. They need to put more mods on that board then.

Principa finish this sentence.

Trolling is..........

I PMed admins, made a thread (this one) with a serious complaint, trolled (apparently) to back up points I am making in this thread, and flamed no one.

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

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Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Doesn't change the fact that the rule is absurd. They need to put more mods on that board then.

Principa finish this sentence.

Trolling is..........

I PMed admins, made a thread (this one) with a serious complaint, trolled (apparently) to back up points I am making in this thread, and flamed no one. Straight from a PM I sent you earlier;

"By openly confronting EnDinG in Ventari's Sell, and by disrupting the auctions of other people, you are trolling."

Hell, you are trolling in this very thread, and the lengths you'll go to deny it would be funny if it weren't so terribly sad.

If you've PM'ed an administrator, shut up and wait for them to deal with it. Don't go starting fights with the moderating team and spamming up forums.

Stop playing the clueless victim. I am done with you.

MCS

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Thank you for once again not answering my question.

This thread was made so that both sides could easily be seen by everyone.

I love being insulted for having a serious complaint, thanks Principa.

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

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Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

I answered it, right there.

"By openly confronting EnDinG in Ventari's Sell, and by disrupting the auctions of other people, you are trolling."

Being purposefully dense is only dragging you deeper.

MCS

MCS

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Quote:
I am done with you.
Quote: Apparently proving just how useless this rule is, is the wrong way to present it.

This rule is not needed as it almost isn't enforced at all and the forum runs fine.

I didn't act rudely towards anyone until principa began calling me stupid and even then it was rude at worst.


Evidently serious suggestions are met with flames and threats of bans.

I guess the "guideline" stays and I'll act like everyone else in the forum, ignore it and hope he doesn't see me.

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

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England.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Just for the record principa, this is an answer.
Principa finish this sentence.

Trolling is..........
(Quotes don't count towards the 5 character post limit, who knew?)

Principa Discordia

Principa Discordia

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Join Date: Apr 2005

England.

*Sigh.* I'm not even going to reply anymore, MCS. I've just hit the point where I've had enough of your little game.

Welcome to the silent part, this is when the administrators look over the whole situation and decide what action to take.

...

MCS

MCS

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Join Date: May 2005

I find it disturbing that after asking 5 times you won't finish my sentence. What you did was give me an example of trolling not tell me what it is.

Tell me to shut up, call me dense, and clueless.

I guess since you won't be responding I'll see ya. If you change your mind be sure to tell me what trolling is.

I'm sure someone will answer it soon enough.

RepinsMirg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Tacoma, WA

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Really you are trying to get banned I think because in this thread you just continue being a dick over and over and over again.

THX

THX

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Join Date: Dec 2004

Canada

For the moment, the rule will not be changed, as it is needed to prevent spam. This may seem ludicrous to some, but it is very important for the well being of the forum.

Secondly, consider this your final warning: Stop the trolling. (ie. Stop causing trouble). You don't like a rule? Fine, we'd love to hear feedback as to make the forum better. However, common courtesy will get you much further than acting rudely.

Will this suggestion be taken seriously? Absolutely not, it was a waste of time. If it were presented correctly, it would have. But unfortunately it has been characterized as inane ramblings.

MCS

MCS

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Just for the record principa, this is an answer. Quote:
Stop the trolling. (ie. Stop causing trouble).
I explained it well enough, and I'm sure THX would agree.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS Apparently proving just how useless this rule is, is the wrong way to present it. No, as I have already explained, fighting with the moderator of that forum and spamming in other topics is the wrong way to present it.

Quote: Originally Posted by MCS This rule is not needed as it almost isn't enforced at all and the forum runs fine. That is for the administrators to decide.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
I didn't act rudely towards anyone until principa began calling me stupid and even then it was rude at worst. Firstly; You were acting rude. Toward EnDinG by calling him out, and to the forum in general by trolling in Ventari's Sell.

Secondly; Accusing me of calling you stupid is something I consider to be a serious accusation, and I'd like you to provide evidence of such. You may be referring to when I said you were "being purposefully dense", which is entirely different to calling you stupid. You were being "purposefully dense" by ignoring all posts and PMs sent to you, and acting ignorant of the rules against trolling and spamming.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Evidently serious suggestions are met with flames and threats of bans.

I guess the "guideline" stays and I'll act like everyone else in the forum, ignore it and hope he doesn't see me. Your suggestion, as THX pointed out already, was not presented seriously. You decided to take it upon yourself to call out and insult a fine moderator, and you decided to take it upon yourself to create this garbage thread. As for you openly admitting that you'll ignore the rules and "hope that he doesn't see" you, that's what I consider taunting the forum staff.

I try to be nice, I really do. In fact, you're the first person I've ever had to actually be firm with in my time moderating on this forum. That alone should tell you that your behaviour was out of line.

Rushing Wind

Rushing Wind

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Within the dense fog of my own mind

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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TROLLING means...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Principa Discordia
being purposefully dense It means you are being completely DISRESPECTFUL to one, if not all, people except for yourself.

Personally I thought you brought up a good point but in the worst possible way. I am not a moderator but appreciate what they do to keep this site clean and "dense"-free. Sadly, some bugs get through and either need to be dealt with by a fly swatter or by being BANNED. I choose the second. My two cents...

Serafita Kayin

Serafita Kayin

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Join Date: May 2005

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If you want more presence, you got it.

Trolling is...

Persistently acting in a manner defiant of all logic, cognizant sense, or sensibility in pursuit of an agreement with an inane point, or occasionally a lack of point at all.

See pursuant to "spam."

Dreamsmith

Dreamsmith

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Yes thank you for threatening me mods. I was unaware that pointing out stupid rules was a banable offence. It isn't. However, if you break other rules while doing so, don't be surprised if you're held accountable for doing so. Having a complaint is not an excuse for violating forum rules.

People don't get banned, or have their posts deleted, for what they say, but for how they say it.

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