Building a new Desktop- Is this all i need to buy from newegg.com?

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Oh, by the way, this deserves another post, cuz its on a totally different subject.

Where does my motherboard go in my ATX case posted like 3 posts above?

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31 May 2005 at 20:20 - 42
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Oh, by the way, this deserves another post, cuz its on a totally different subject.

Where does my motherboard go in my ATX case posted like 3 posts above?
Do you have any friends who are PC Literate?

Not to be harsh, but if you don't know how to hook in a PC motherboard, i would be very reluctant to try this without someone who really knows helping you out. The reason for this, you could very well Mess up one vital component before you get it booted.

Another thing, check all the items you are ordering before you proceed with the order. Reason for this, you may be ordering items you really don't need. Onboard Lan, Sound etc are very common now and are also very good.
Make sure you have the right Graphics card. AGP or PCI Express.
Also, does the memory work with your motherboard?

I know these guys are doing there best to help you and great work on there part, but this last comment would scare the hell out of me.

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Thats the only thing that i dont know, and im sorta confused if i do it wrong. I know where it is in my Dimension 2400, but i dont know where its supposed to go in this case and i would like a pic just to make sure that thats where it goes.

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31 May 2005 at 20:54 - 44
This is why I say get someone who is PC literate to help you out.

Motherboards can only go into cases one way and the case determines which way around that is.

If you can't determine that from the case, then I suggest you get someone to help you out. Not only for this reason, but for the fact that you don't want to damage any of the more high priced items.

By the way, will you be using any form of Anti Static devices to help prevent Static destroying the electronic components?

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31 May 2005 at 20:59 - 45
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By the way, will you be using any form of Anti Static devices to help prevent Static destroying the electronic components?
I have built more PCs than I can count, I have only ever taken two measures when it comes to static and have never ever had a problem.

1.) Touch the metal on the PC case before you touch any of the components (even if you're not putting them in yet).

2.) If you're working on/around carpet, do not wear socks without shoes.

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I'd switch to an OEM processor (that doesn't come with the fan or thermal adhesive tape) and order some Artic Silver thermal compound, too. The coolers that come with the AMD retail box just do the job and no more..
that advice is pure garbage

the oem has only a 30 day warranty and any savings are mostly eaten up by buying the aftermarket cooler and you throw out a 3 YEAR warranty

the factory setup may just do the job but the point is they DO the job

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31 May 2005 at 21:03 - 47
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that advice is pure garbage

the oem has only a 30 day warranty and any savings are mostly eaten up by buying the aftermarket cooler and you throw out a 3 YEAR warranty

the factory setup may just do the job but the point is they DO the job
Harsh, but true.

And when it comes to Athlon64's, anyone who says that the stock cooler is no good is wrong. Athlon64's run surprisingly cool compared to older AthlonXP's, in my experience, and the stock cooler does a great job. I don't think I'll ever need to swap out my stock AMD cooler unless this one dies or I begin some real overclocking.

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31 May 2005 at 21:06 - 48
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I have built more PCs than I can count, I have only ever taken two measures when it comes to static and have never ever had a problem.

1.) Touch the metal on the PC case before you touch any of the components (even if you're not putting them in yet).
You do have the Case plugged into the mains don't you?

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2.) If you're working on/around carpet, do not wear socks without shoes.
I have also built PC's for many years myself. Probably 13 years or more in some form or other. And i pretty much use those same techniques that you have suggested here.

However, for someone who is obviously not very PC literate as the Original Poster, i would recommend using Anti Static Prevention. Better to be safe than sorry if you don't know what you are doing.

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31 May 2005 at 21:18 - 49
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However, for someone who is obviously not very PC literate as the Original Poster, i would recommend using Anti Static Prevention. Better to be safe than sorry if you don't know what you are doing.
Nah, it would take a certain kind of "special" to forget that socks + carpet + electronics = bad. He'll be fine.

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31 May 2005 at 21:21 - 50
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I watched a video on AMD Processors, and they said not to use Thermal grease or paste because it may dissolve over a period of time, there is a chance that you can put too much, and that its better to use the tab. (The sticker on the bottom of the heatsink)
Please do whatever you are most comfortable with. If you use too much, the compound can ooze out and conduct electricity, too.

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Also, i see that the bottom of that heatsink fan thingy curves. I thought it was supposed to be flat, just like the top part of the pic befoore it gets to the white part. Will it work with my AMD processor posted above? I think its on the first page.
Took me a while to figure out what you were talking about...Yes, that's the one that I bought for my Socket A processor, an Athlon 3200+. You would need this model for a Socket 754, if that's what you are getting.

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31 May 2005 at 21:24 - 51
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that advice is pure garbage

the oem has only a 30 day warranty and any savings are mostly eaten up by buying the aftermarket cooler and you throw out a 3 YEAR warranty

the factory setup may just do the job but the point is they DO the job
If your processor is not DOA, you're not going to have an issue that's covered under warranty. Post links if you can find any.

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31 May 2005 at 21:28 - 52
Built my PC from the ground up last year for $2,000 US. Like Principa Discordia, I did not do anything to prevent static discharge other than make sure I touched the case metal beforehand. I also wore shoes and did most of the assmebly in one spot while sitting. Make sure you can easily clear out the cables from the case before installing the motherboard, as in getting them out of the way, because this makes installing so much easier. I went with this for my computer:
Aspire X-Alien Case (I sprang for the one with the 500W PSU)
MSI K8T NEO-FSR ATX AMD Motherboard
Two 120GB 7200RPM Seagate Harddrives
Ati Radeon 9800Pro 256mb Video Card

This was also my first from the ground up computer build. Make sure you read the directions first! Doing this will save you a lot of time spent sweating whether or not you hooked up everything correctly then checking and rechecking 4 to 5 times and bleeding from cutting yourself inside the case because you had to check the cables so many times.

It is a learning experience that is a must if you want to work with computer hardware later on in life. Have fun!

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31 May 2005 at 21:28 - 53
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And when it comes to Athlon64's, anyone who says that the stock cooler is no good is wrong. Athlon64's run surprisingly cool compared to older AthlonXP's, in my experience, and the stock cooler does a great job. I don't think I'll ever need to swap out my stock AMD cooler unless this one dies or I begin some real overclocking.
Sorry, my experience with AMD retail was an Athlon long ago. The stock cooler sucked and blowed. Loudly. And rattled. Upgrading to a new cooler was one the of best things that I did with that machine. And, I guarantee you the cooler that I posted links to is half as noisy (remember, dB is exponential) as your stock cooler.

I saved several degrees CPU idle temp by going to aftermarket coolers and then saved 2 degrees by switching to thermal compound. Thousands of other people have obtained the same results. If it's not worth it to you, fine, but it works.

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31 May 2005 at 21:35 - 54
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Sorry, my experience with AMD retail was an Athlon long ago. The stock cooler sucked and blowed. Loudly. And rattled. Upgrading to a new cooler was one the of best things that I did with that machine. And, I guarantee you the cooler that I posted links to is half as noisy (remember, dB is exponential) as your stock cooler.

I saved several degrees CPU idle temp by going to aftermarket coolers and then saved 2 degrees by switching to thermal compound. Thousands of other people have obtained the same results. If it's not worth it to you, fine, but it works.
I agree with you on the older AMD chips and there coolers, they were noisier and after a while got clogged up with dust and clanked a lot too.

However, my latest AMD 2400+ with it's CPU cooler and heatsink has been more than fine and my PC is very quiet. I think my Graphics Fan is noisier than the CPU fan.

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So, im ready to purchase parts. List of everything im getting
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103484
Chaintech AMD Athlon 64 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813152043
Aspire X-Dreamer II Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811144026
XFX Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150080
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440
Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM 8mb cache Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144350
NEC DVD/CD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827152035
Am i ready 2 go?!?!?!? And by the way, total system cost plus s and h is 754 bucks (just like my socket lol)

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31 May 2005 at 21:51 - 56
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If your processor is not DOA, you're not going to have an issue that's covered under warranty. Post links if you can find any.
no links needed

you are trading a 3 year warranty with approved h/s fan for a 30 day warranty with minimal savings and hoping that it will either die right now or live forever.

i buy retail than get the aftermarket if and when needed.

presently using OCZ Goliath all copper heatsink artic silver and a sunon case fan which is quiet and you cant seem to kill a sunon fan

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31 May 2005 at 22:09 - 57
OK, I don't have a problem with that if you enjoy the peace of mind.

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31 May 2005 at 22:09 - 58
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So, im ready to purchase parts. List of everything im getting
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103484
Chaintech AMD Athlon 64 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813152043
Aspire X-Dreamer II Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811144026
XFX Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150080
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440
Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM 8mb cache Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144350
NEC DVD/CD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827152035
Am i ready 2 go?!?!?!? And by the way, total system cost plus s and h is 754 bucks (just like my socket lol)

Wow. $754 is like £407 in the UK. I wonder if that stuff is worth that much here or a lot more.
Oh well. Will have to wait until i can get myself an AMD64. By then will probably be AMD128. lol
As far as wether you are ready to buy, do you feel comfortable with your choices and have you double checked all the Specs on the website to satisfy yourself that all is right.
Make sure you are happy with it before you place the order. Remember, it's your money and any help and advice here won't help you if you find something is Wrong. That is down to you.

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31 May 2005 at 22:43 - 59
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Wow. $754 is like £407 in the UK. I wonder if that stuff is worth that much here or a lot more.
Oh well. Will have to wait until i can get myself an AMD64. By then will probably be AMD128. lol
As far as wether you are ready to buy, do you feel comfortable with your choices and have you double checked all the Specs on the website to satisfy yourself that all is right.
Make sure you are happy with it before you place the order. Remember, it's your money and any help and advice here won't help you if you find something is Wrong. That is down to you.
MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTHERBOARD INCLUDES ALL CABLES FOR HARD DRIVE ETC

if not order them now

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MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTHERBOARD INCLUDES ALL CABLES FOR HARD DRIVE ETC

if not order them now
That too.

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31 May 2005 at 22:46 - 61
Hey, can you check that out for me. I seriously dont know if it has it. If it does not, can you refer me to a link in newegg that has them? thanks!!!!

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Hey, can you check that out for me. I seriously dont know if it has it. If it does not, can you refer me to a link in newegg that has them? thanks!!!!
the picture contents package show cables

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Hey, can you check that out for me. I seriously dont know if it has it. If it does not, can you refer me to a link in newegg that has them? thanks!!!!
As far as the Hard Drive goes, it says in the Spec sheet that a cable is provided. The DVD doesn't say this but you can always use the cable from your old system, which will work fine on most occasions if one doesn't come with it or possibly the one that comes with the hard drive if a standard dual channel IDE cable.

If you are going to transfer over the floppy drive from your old machine, use that cable too.

That should pretty much be it for cables. Everything regarding power should be supplied with the Tower Case. Well, they do when i buy them in the UK.

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Guess im set!!! Thanks for everything guys!!!!
Il report my building process and tests when its finished. (probably around eiether June 4th or June 12th)

THANKS!!!!

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Good luck.

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Wait.... about the cable for the DVD Drive, can you tell me what it is called so i can make sure i have it? Preferably give me a link to the cable in Newegg.com

Thanks!

P.S.- Last question (Hopefully) !!!

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01 Jun 2005 at 03:04 - 67
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Sorry, my experience with AMD retail was an Athlon long ago. The stock cooler sucked and blowed. Loudly. And rattled. Upgrading to a new cooler was one the of best things that I did with that machine. And, I guarantee you the cooler that I posted links to is half as noisy (remember, dB is exponential) as your stock cooler.

I saved several degrees CPU idle temp by going to aftermarket coolers and then saved 2 degrees by switching to thermal compound. Thousands of other people have obtained the same results. If it's not worth it to you, fine, but it works.
I can't speak for all Athlon64 stock coolers, but mine is rather quiet and does not rattle. Then again, I have four other fans (three 80mm, one 120mm) running in there, so it would seem quiet by comparison anyway.

What it really comes down to is if he would like to save on the $30. If he isn't planning on doing any overclocking, doesn't mind the colour of the fan, then there's not much point at all in switching it out for an after market cooler. Also, as someone else keeps pointing out, someone with relatively little experience building computers might want the peace of mind that comes with the 3 year warranty, as opposed to the limited warranty of the OEM processor.

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Wait.... about the cable for the DVD Drive, can you tell me what it is called so i can make sure i have it? Preferably give me a link to the cable in Newegg.com

Thanks!

P.S.- Last question (Hopefully) !!!
If you have a current PC System you can just remove the cable from that system and install that into your new system. It will work just as well and you don't need to buy a new one.
Either that, or just take the Hard Drive cable from your old PC and use that one.

They are called IDE Cables. There are others, which are called SATA which is a new and faster system, and a lot smaller in size, but without looking at your new mobo for details, i would stick to IDE for now. Anyway, your new HDD would need to be SATA or you would have to get a SATA connector/adapter.

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MSI mobo's are great, but take my advise and be sure you buy a decent Power Supply. You need at least 18 ampere on the 12 volts line on the PSU, otherwise your system will turn out to be very unstable. (I am saying this based on my own experience :-) )
I bought a Tagan 480W PSU (28ampere on the 12 volts line) which is a very good PSU for a nice price.

No problems with AMD cooler here either ...

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Do i need any extra fans besides the ones that are listed above?

Also, would this video card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814122193

be better than this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440

Thanks!

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Erm, the second link shows me RAM?

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Shoot!!! Well here it is again. Hopefully it works this time

Is this video card,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814122193

better than this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150080

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The 6800 is better because it has a 256bit memory interface as opposed to a 128bit memory interface on the 6600GT.

The 6600GT can be found as low as $150 on that site though, not sure why you're looking at that particular one.

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Well, i guess im getting a 6800 since the 6600GT is worse. Its only 188 bucks too! Thanks for everything.

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Well, i guess im getting a 6800 since the 6600GT is worse. Its only 188 bucks too! Thanks for everything.
Glad I could help. Enjoy.

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I would recommend for the video card at a cheaper price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814145118

Other than that, I would order it.

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I would recommend for the video card at a cheaper price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814145118

Other than that, I would order it.
I, for one, would question the wisdom in suggesting the Geforce 6200. Just like an LE/SE version, the Geforce 6200 graphics card only has a 64bit memory architecture.

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I, for one, would question the wisdom in suggesting the Geforce 6200. Just like an LE/SE version, the Geforce 6200 graphics card only has a 64bit memory architecture.
Yes, well it is for cheaper people like me.

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Yes, well it is for cheaper people like me.
I'd personally skip it altogether and spend an extra $25 a proper 6600, it'd be worth it. And yes I do understand what it's like to live on a budget, I'm on a tiny one myself.

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FINAL COMPUTER PARTS THAT IM BUYING
AMD Athlon 64 3400+ $221.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103484
Chaintech AMD Athlon 64 Motherboard $58.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813152043
Aspire X-Dreamer II Computer Case $55.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811144026
Leadtek NVIDIA GeForce 6800 128mb 256 bit Video Card $188.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814122193
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 $75.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145440
Western Digital Caviar SE 160 GB 7200 RPM $87.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144152
NEC DVD/CD Burner $49.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827152035
Do i need to buy anything else to have a sucessful buying from Newegg.com and have a great comp?