Instead of complaining, read this

The forum has witnessed a rise in complaints. As any game, Guild Wars is not perfect. However, complaining about some of its shortcomings will likely not benefit anyone. If there are things you dislike about the game, I suggest you create a thread in the Sardelac Sanitarium and state ways of improving it and not merely bashing it. Remember, the developers do read these forums and constructive criticism is paid attention to. If it is genuine, polite and logical then I see no reason why it would not be taken into consideration.

I sure wish more people would be constructive instead of bashing.

"if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"

Amen. I would love to see suggestions that are actually based in the real world... you know, where AreaNet's concerns for keeping the paths between PvE and PvP open for everyone are primary. I made my suggestion (e.g., allow 'looting' of skills in PvP, but elites and runes remain something you have to hunt for yourself).

Thank you. Constructive criticism and aggressively complaining are not the same.

Ok i kind of agree but surely this is the place for 'community discussion', so isnt a complaint worthy of discussing? There arent that many people who are game geniuses and can come up with an suggestion for improvement, namely me

Amen to that. If you don't like reading complaint threads...just skip em'

I don't mind complaint' threads. Humans being humans, things like that seem only natural in a very large community forum. What I mind is when the debaters of 'hot' complaints are constantly hijacking other people's threads in order to continue their arguing. That's what's truly disruptive, IMO.

I can avoid opening 'complaint threads'/threads with topic titles on subjects I'm not interested in reading - but it's harder to avoid threads that have been 'hijacked'.

I find it annoying that I have to sort through the complaint threads to get to the ones that deserve attention. I think any thread that complains about grind should be deleted as opposed to just being closed. That is, unless the poster conducts himself in a mature manner and seeks to try to make the situation better with realistic solution. But that's rare...

I can only speak for myself, but I really don't see that many 'grind' threads...infact I only see one thread on the current page which seems to be grinding related.

Since this area is for community discussion and not some specialization such as crafting there are only a limited amount of things to say. It seems fair that people are frustrated or have legitimate beefs about the game they should be able to discuss it...seriously is it really that hard to look at the latest posts that you haven't seen and skip the ones you don't like?

..and if there are THAT many people willing to take the time to rant, there might be a reason for it. (I'm just saying if)

if you see someone complain ingame just say like me:
Because you touch yourself at night!!!

no matter the problem that always shuts them up

LOL, LemonKing, lemmie guess, u got that from Family guy?

Seriously, people whine too much about this game. "OMG U HAVE TO PLAY FOR OVER AN HOUR TO BE A GOOD PLAYER!!!" Yes, it did advertise that skill rules the game, not hours played. Most people who complain are obviously not veteran MMORPG players.

In most MMORPGs you start off waking up in the tutorial, where you are given a quest by someone "Hey, there, new fellow! My Vegetable patches are being eaten by bunnies! Can you go in and kill 20 bunnies and bring me back their carrots?!" Ok, you kill a random, small animal, or possibly a series of them until you have either completed a given quest or gotten a certain level. You are then beamed outside of the tutorial, into a town and from then on are expected to find your own path.

Most games require, not for you to do quests, but to hunt monsters; this requiring hours of walking around in circles in an area filled with aggressive, kill stealing players, waiting for enemies to re-spawn. In most games it can take days or even weeks to elevate your level from, perhaps 15 to 25, those numbers being out of 100.

I've seen many, many MMORPGs where there are only some 20 quests in the entire game. The idea of such quests is to get things like armor, weapons or money.

And then after you hit 100 you start PvP, not only will you need the best weapons and armor, but some games make systems for player to raise their stats slightly after getting certain amounts of EXP, hours and hours more can go into this. So to compete with the other players in the Arena you will also need all the same things or better.

What about Guild Wars? Do you have to sit around and hunt monsters? No! You can reach the maximum level in about a week in total; by doing quests.
What are quests for? Exp, money, skills, since of completion. Are you forced to fight nothing but Bunnies, Jelly Beans, turtles and other cute monsters until level 75? No, you are thrown right into the thicket of adventure from the get-go.

The thing being, if you have a lot to do and you're very busy all the time, don't buy an MMORPG; they all take awhile for you to play and be a good player.

Very tired of people complaining about factors of this game that are well improved from any game I've ever seen. Yes, it's not perfect, but there was no promise that it would be, was there?

Hmm.. I suppose this seems somewhat off topic but I've been waiting to say it for awhile.

ya,
I completely agree Sagious, But I just learned yeterday that you have a maximum level of 20. Is that true, or are they raising it? I found this out by putting my cursor over my level. Basically, It said my level was 11/20.

That, I do not like. It greatly decreases the challenge...even tho sometimes it takes hours to level, if u r hunting for fun with your friends or exploring. Can you do certain quests to raise more ability points?

There are 2 quests you can get that will give you 15 points each, however, the attribute point limit is 200 so with out those 2 quest you can only have 170. Once your lvl 20 you still gain exp and you sorta get lvls, just when your exp bar is completely filled you get a skill point instead of an attribute point...make sense?

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Again, thank you. I agree with a few of the previous posters... it's easy for me to avoid complaint posts when they're clearly labelled, but the thread-hijacking is hard to evade. Hopefully this will make things a little better...

I wouldnt have anything to complain about if they would just had left the game how it was in bata.Open bata is the only reason I wanted to play this game, now they keep removing things that made bata so popular.The game has lost its luster alrdy for me.After reaching lvl 20 in 3 days and finishing the game in 6 most of the quest in less then 2 weeks there is nothing more to do except wait for the next version pretty sad.It was all about the item hunting for me not the lvls I could care less about a 20 lvl cap I just want to do the old MF ( magic find )from the old diablo days this is what the bata version was like, now it has all changed.People really know how to ruin a good game.

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That, I do not like. It greatly decreases the challenge...even tho sometimes it takes hours to level, if u r hunting for fun with your friends or exploring. Can you do certain quests to raise more ability points?[/QUOTE

most of the game (and the following chapters) are for level 20 characters.

tell me why it has to have the *magic level ding* to have a challenge

Jesus Christ. I wake up and log on to this forum and all I see is threads complaining about GW. ArenaNet can't please EVERYONE so shut the hell up. If you hate the game, chuck it. You're not welcome in the community. Bugger off.

Maybe challange is not the word I am looking for...
It's the gratification (for some people) to see a shining light around your charecter so you can dish out some ability points to make them stronger.

You still get a shining light whenever you fill up your skill bar, I am a great supporter of the level cap myself and I agree, if you don't like the game, then ditch it. Don't waste our time complaining about it to us.

another thing I hate isnt the game, but the people playing it (this happened last night) I had a rare inscribed staff of fortitude, (gold) and I wanted to sell it. I went to the merchant, and I saw it was going to sell for 120g. So I say to myself, well, I will sell it for 500g.

The guy I traded it to PMs me, and I say I'm selling it for no less than 500g. He said he would give me 750g for it. So I trade it to him, and after the trade he said...

"you know this this is worth 50k after you expert salvadge it..."

*Smaks head against many times, leaves a big dent in it afterwords*

So, I'm trying to save up for a guild hall, and this jerk couldent be a good citizen and say that it is worth 50k. Some people are nice, but then there are the others that are complete jerks.

well, thats the price I have to pay sometimes to be able to play a great game.

PS. I asked in the forum but it got cut, so I didnt know how much it was worth.

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"you know this this is worth 50k after you expert salvadge it..."

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the fact that he/she had to rub your nose in it shows what kind of a jerk you were dealing with

if called on it they would probably say you should be grateful for teaching you a lesson so it didnt happen again

I always used to think of this forum as some kind of "speakers corner" like they have in HidePark.

A place where people can grief, laugh, joke, bash, enjoy, cry, have fun, holler etc.
You will find, that the best way to deal with your emotions (love, hate etc.) is to spill them out.
And to know, that people listen/read your problems.

You want people to be constructive, but how can they be, if you don't allow them to share their negative feelings in a public place like this?

Sure there are limmits to express yourself in a public place, but saying: cut down the un-constructive threads doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Posting negative feelings is ok, I guess. Going on ad nauseum and not offering anything by way of ideas to improve what it is that ails the game, doesn't help anyone or anything. Turning every topic into a rant/whine is boring and dull. There are literally hundreds of places and sites one can go and rant/swear/throw things/kick & scream.

In our real lives, I can bet that most of us avoid people and places that are filled with nothing but negativity. We don't want to see that happen to GWGuru, do we?

But I think that THX's main point is this: Complain and get it out of your system in a constructive non-harassing, whining way. Make a post that gets the negative energy out but that also adds some ideas on how to make it better. The only way to precipitate change is to offere suggestions for improvement and/or point out game bugs.

Wow. How lazy.

I don't know, I've seeing a LOT more complaints about people (IE: Complaining about the complainer threads like this, threads ranting about running into a jerk/scammer/stupid party member) lately than actual complaints about Guild Wars.

Most who have unreconcilable problems with Guild Wars have already moved on and the only thing keeping some alive and interested in the Guild Wars forums is trolling threads and posts that lure them out of lurk.

lol a thread full of people complaining about complainers, oh the irony.

Actually, you have to take the time of the posting into consideration. Unless you actually pull up a massive number of posts from that time period, this announcement is just grossly out of context. At the time that this thread was made, every second thread on these forums had some sort of major complaint. Sure, constructive criticism (and rarely, unconstructive criticism) has its place, but a flood of the same complaints ruthlessly bombarding a small space while not providing any solutions becomes extremely counter-productive -- not only to having their concerns be heard, but also to gaining sympathy for their cause.

Now, let's not go resurrecting two month old threads without a very pressing need? It just tends to confuse everyone.