I understand that you guys are trying to make this the best Guild Wars website on the web, and it shows. I think I can speak for everyone when I say it's really nice to come to quality, professional site, where the boards aren't filled with horrible grammar and childish, 12 year-old rants. But I offer one word of advice, which of course is just my opinion. Don't delete people's posts, unless it's an extreme. Locking threads and giving warnings to offenders works fine, and if they keep it up, ban them. But, there is nothing more agrivating than an admin playing censor and editing posts for various reasons. It's a really quick way to alienate your posters and your auidence. Thanks for your time.
-Virt
Locked/deleted messages/threads
Virtuoso
Inde
Censorship is grand!
In all seriousness, we are an open community. Which means that posts that are flammable [or oily and prone to massive heat] will likely be removed because ... well ... they have no place here. The posts that were removed [and not only yours] were removed because they contributed nothing other than making people angry.
And thusly they were removed.
In all seriousness, we are an open community. Which means that posts that are flammable [or oily and prone to massive heat] will likely be removed because ... well ... they have no place here. The posts that were removed [and not only yours] were removed because they contributed nothing other than making people angry.
And thusly they were removed.
Virtuoso
I understand the need for a civil enviornment and I can even understand why my post was deleted. I just felt I should voice my opinion on the subject of post deletion, as it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm sure does the same to other people. All I was saying is that there are other ways to keep a conversation under control without deleting posts. To me, getting my post deleted is one of the worst things that can happen. I'd rather be called names and cursed at than to have my thoughts changed or censored by someone I don't even know. But, that is just my opinion and I understand that this is your court, your ball, so I will gladly play by your rules or not play at all. Thank you for your time.
-Virt
-Virt
Inde
Well to be honest then - if you understand the need for a civil environment and understand why the post was deleted, why not delete it then? The only difference between deleting it and editing it with a [--Post removed by Admin--] is trivial - in fact I prefer the delete method as then I dont have to wonder what the content was that got it deleted. And it saves me precious vertical scrollage!
We will never edit the content/tone of your post [at least without being explicit about it]. And we dont censor either [just refer to the discussion about gameanalysis being valid for FF or not in the general forum - most fansites refuse to even allow external links! (speaking of which I am going to rant about that soon)]. In regards to name calling and cursing, Gurus never resort to that
Its just simpler really - if it is flammable, it will be doused
We will never edit the content/tone of your post [at least without being explicit about it]. And we dont censor either [just refer to the discussion about gameanalysis being valid for FF or not in the general forum - most fansites refuse to even allow external links! (speaking of which I am going to rant about that soon)]. In regards to name calling and cursing, Gurus never resort to that
Its just simpler really - if it is flammable, it will be doused
lllCo2lll
I've always had a "ophorolas" feeling (made up word) whenever my posts are quickly closed. Never had it deleted though. I mean it feels so rude when I'm posting something serious for a discussion (i.e. How come I'm not allowed two accounts for so and so game) Then some admin gently replies,
You're not allowed two accounts because its part of the terms and agreement
BLAM Closed!
However that never happens here and the admins are very friendly and community is friendly also.
You're not allowed two accounts because its part of the terms and agreement
BLAM Closed!
However that never happens here and the admins are very friendly and community is friendly also.
Lansing Kai Don
I agree with Virtuoso (probably for the first time ever), that every person is entitled to speak his voice and opinion. It is this individuality that sparks the greatest debates (not arguments) and contributes the most to the readers. I DO completely agree with closing a thread if it is obvious there is no ground being made and only tempers flaring (but to take one person's voice from them is appalling). But I guess Virtuoso has a point with your court and your ball. I don't know what he did to offend you so I will not try to defend him and I'm speaking in general (never had a post deleted on any forum that I'm aware of).
Lansing Kai Don
POWER TO THE PEOPLE! jk
Lansing Kai Don
POWER TO THE PEOPLE! jk
Aladdar
here's the deal. Often it is better to the discourse of the thread to just delete the offending posts and keep the thread going than to just kill the thread so those posts will be deleted generally with a message that states who deleted it and why.
The majority of posts that are deleted are mainly only flaming. In other cases we tend to just close them. Of course there is always the exception. We never desire to stifle a good conversation as long as it is civil, but if it turns into an argument there's a good chance it will go away.
The majority of posts that are deleted are mainly only flaming. In other cases we tend to just close them. Of course there is always the exception. We never desire to stifle a good conversation as long as it is civil, but if it turns into an argument there's a good chance it will go away.
Virtuoso
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lansing Kai Don
I agree with Virtuoso (probably for the first time ever
I've been around for less than a week and already people are "for the first time ever"ing me? <whistles> Maybe I should post less.
-Virt
-Virt
lllCo2lll
lol virtuoso I've only just recently seen your name in posts, but may I ask what did you do to get deleted? Like was it a post that said "eff you jerk" and nothing else or was it a valid heated arguement?
Virtuoso
Co2, PMing you to keep it off the boards.
-Virt
-Virt
Whosa Skylore
well you wanna know why this board isnt full of bad grammer, and flares and stuff? its because the guru staff does a great job of preventing/deleting/editing bad posts. and yes we have a right to our own oppinion, but our oppinion should be on topic, is needed in the conversation, and not a flare. if someone reads your post and says "YOU NOOB! THATS NOT WHATS RIGHT, YOUR A F---ING ------!" i personally would want to yell back, but luckly no one has done it to me. so by deleting and editing these posts, they wont have to people yelling their heads off at each other in what could of beed a great disscusion. i learned from like a "pre-warning" that i should check that my post A) made sense B) was needed in the conversation and C) had no spelling mistakes (yes i still have some, but i dont spell well anyways :/) well dont take this post as a flare, cause it is not ment to be that at all, but i do think this topic is really rude to the guru staff, or at least i would be offended if i was on the guru staff. well anyways, just try doing what i did above, and youll see your post come out more educated, and people will think more of you.
edit- i did not say you were trying to, and i did not say it would, i was just saying that in my eyes its a little rude, but remember i am not them, and can not tell you what they think (but im working on it
)
just trying to help,
Whosa
edit- i did not say you were trying to, and i did not say it would, i was just saying that in my eyes its a little rude, but remember i am not them, and can not tell you what they think (but im working on it
) just trying to help,
Whosa
Virtuoso
Rude for suggesting they be a little more considerate when thinking about deleting posts? I did not tell them how to run their forums, only that it offends and alienates people when you delete posts. I have no problems with the people who run this site and these forums. In fact, they are a godsend to the Guild Wars community. I was merely voicing my displeasure.
-Virt
-Virt
THX
Post deleting, although often perceived by the visitor as being offensive... is quite frankly what keeps the forum afloat. Deleting posts allows us to cover up what we don't like others to see, as if it were to be public it would be no different than encouraging such practices. Think of it this way, the forum is a melting pot and it is our (moderators/admins) job to have new members conform to our standards. People are more likely to be informative and positive if they see others act in such a way. If threads are filled with immature ramblings, they are less likely to feel obliged to create more constructive and coherent threads.
Posts/threads are not deleted for our enjoyment, it's actually quite a bit of work. If you notice a post has been deleted, tell yourself it was for the good of the hive
Posts/threads are not deleted for our enjoyment, it's actually quite a bit of work. If you notice a post has been deleted, tell yourself it was for the good of the hive
Lansing Kai Don
Quote:
Originally Posted by THX
Post deleting, although often perceived by the visitor as being offensive... is quite frankly what keeps the forum afloat. Deleting posts allows us to cover up what we don't like others to see, as if it were to be public it would be no different than encouraging such practices. Think of it this way, the forum is a melting pot and it is our (moderators/admins) job to have new members conform to our standards. People are more likely to be informative and positive if they see others act in such a way. If threads are filled with immature ramblings, they are less likely to feel obliged to create more constructive and coherent threads.
Posts/threads are not deleted for our enjoyment, it's actually quite a bit of work. If you notice a post has been deleted, tell yourself it was for the good of the hive
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it IS the moderators/admins job to decide which posts are immature ramblings/offensive. And I think your doing a great job (as I said I don't know what Virt did to get deleted and can't defend him), I was merely warning that your view of what is immature may not be the posters or the readers. If you want an analogy, think of it this way... I know I'm horrible at these but I will try and make it so that you can correlate it with the current discussion. Anyways, your melting pot (let's say stew), your stew is filled with bits that everyone likes... meat, vegetables, etc. Now, when you add spices to the stew (this is the questionable posts that oft times get deleted), it can only then become great stew... but on your side if you add TOO much spices then the stew is ruined (this is a thread that is getting nowhere just tempers flaring). I understand you trying to keep the nasty parts of the stew out, the bone of the meat, and the rotten parts of the vegetables (flaming and purely unintelligent immaturity at it's best... and spam too). Alright, I guess I'm saying your doing a great job but please don't take the spices out and make the stew as bland as water.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S Remember that deleting flaming keeps a forum afloat, deleting a person's individual opinion because it may upset people is putting on concrete shoes.
Posts/threads are not deleted for our enjoyment, it's actually quite a bit of work. If you notice a post has been deleted, tell yourself it was for the good of the hive
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it IS the moderators/admins job to decide which posts are immature ramblings/offensive. And I think your doing a great job (as I said I don't know what Virt did to get deleted and can't defend him), I was merely warning that your view of what is immature may not be the posters or the readers. If you want an analogy, think of it this way... I know I'm horrible at these but I will try and make it so that you can correlate it with the current discussion. Anyways, your melting pot (let's say stew), your stew is filled with bits that everyone likes... meat, vegetables, etc. Now, when you add spices to the stew (this is the questionable posts that oft times get deleted), it can only then become great stew... but on your side if you add TOO much spices then the stew is ruined (this is a thread that is getting nowhere just tempers flaring). I understand you trying to keep the nasty parts of the stew out, the bone of the meat, and the rotten parts of the vegetables (flaming and purely unintelligent immaturity at it's best... and spam too). Alright, I guess I'm saying your doing a great job but please don't take the spices out and make the stew as bland as water.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S Remember that deleting flaming keeps a forum afloat, deleting a person's individual opinion because it may upset people is putting on concrete shoes.
Aladdar
we're human, we may make mistakes from time to time, but we do our best. We want nothing more than well thought out reasoned debates on issues and thought provoking insights. That is what makes a forum great. You're free to disagree with someone all you want, just try to keep it to a civil discourse.
Someone's idea may seem idiotic, but they are not idiotic. And remember if you're going to call someones argument idiotic you best have the ability to back it up. I think this site stands out from the other sites because 80% of our threads are great in depth threads and not how cool it would be to have ninjas in the game.
Please note that as THX stated, we don't enjoy deleting posts. It is a lot of work, but we do it because we think it makes this site great. If we delete something of yours and you have a problem with it, send us a pm and we can discuss it.
Someone's idea may seem idiotic, but they are not idiotic. And remember if you're going to call someones argument idiotic you best have the ability to back it up. I think this site stands out from the other sites because 80% of our threads are great in depth threads and not how cool it would be to have ninjas in the game.
Please note that as THX stated, we don't enjoy deleting posts. It is a lot of work, but we do it because we think it makes this site great. If we delete something of yours and you have a problem with it, send us a pm and we can discuss it.
William the Silent
Well I know it probably is a pain, but I think it might be helpful if you could leave a quick pm or post regarding why a post was deleted or why a thread was closed. That way not only would people most likely not be quite as bothered by such actions but also people would be able to see why the action was taken so they understand what was inappropriate about their comments thus in the future preventing repetition of whatever inappropriate behavior occured.
For example a thread in the OT section that I had put some comments in (gauss rifle
) was closed and I am still unsure exactly why. If it was something that I posted then I want to know about it so I can correct such faults in the future. On the other hand something was mentioned about an iToilet so if that was in some way offensive and that was the reason for closing such information would be helpful.
All in all forum-monitoring and editing is a necessary "demon" for lack of a better word and it is important in order to keep forums healthy and fun. It is not up to us users to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. What's important is that we follow the site's rules because there are a bunch of people who have worked their patootey's off to make this site into what it is today and they should be the one's deciding it what manner they want their site to be run and used.
For example a thread in the OT section that I had put some comments in (gauss rifle
) was closed and I am still unsure exactly why. If it was something that I posted then I want to know about it so I can correct such faults in the future. On the other hand something was mentioned about an iToilet so if that was in some way offensive and that was the reason for closing such information would be helpful.All in all forum-monitoring and editing is a necessary "demon" for lack of a better word and it is important in order to keep forums healthy and fun. It is not up to us users to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. What's important is that we follow the site's rules because there are a bunch of people who have worked their patootey's off to make this site into what it is today and they should be the one's deciding it what manner they want their site to be run and used.
Tynan
we shouldnt delete some posts because some of the pplz posts are important to all peoplez!!!!
Inde
Maybe I am a bit blind William - only two posts were closed semi-recently in OT, both by me, and with a post at the end.
Which thread are you referring to?
Which thread are you referring to?
Taranis
Hey I opened a thread about Guild Wars being play-able with a 3gb download-limit....the thread just disappeared without even a lrespond/link to a existing thread 
FrogDevourer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aladdar
...and not how cool it would be to have ninjas in the game.
You're right, teenage cyborg turtle are way cooler !
Thanks to the moderators for this tedious housekeeping. I, for one, enjoy reading insightful threads from this forum. If you want to read useless rants, flame wars and opinions without backup reasoning, there are plenty of other GW forums for that.
The corollary is that I tend to read a lot instead of posting myself. I'm not half as eloquent or knowledgeable as our favorite gurus. So I usually lurk instead of struggling with English grammar and spelling to add minor points. Sometimes I wish other posters would lurk more and think about what they're posting, instead of hitting the reply button off the bat.
Thanks to the moderators for this tedious housekeeping. I, for one, enjoy reading insightful threads from this forum. If you want to read useless rants, flame wars and opinions without backup reasoning, there are plenty of other GW forums for that.
The corollary is that I tend to read a lot instead of posting myself. I'm not half as eloquent or knowledgeable as our favorite gurus. So I usually lurk instead of struggling with English grammar and spelling to add minor points. Sometimes I wish other posters would lurk more and think about what they're posting, instead of hitting the reply button off the bat.
Taranis
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taranis
Hey I opened a thread about Guild Wars being play-able with a 3gb download-limit....the thread just disappeared without even a lrespond/link to a existing thread
Nvm, got merged with another thread, me sorry
Nvm, got merged with another thread, me sorry
William the Silent
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde
Maybe I am a bit blind William - only two posts were closed semi-recently in OT, both by me, and with a post at the end.
Which thread are you referring to? Well I don't think it was a recent closing, it was just an example I remembered off the top of my head. The thread was titled "For the sake of absurdity..."
Which thread are you referring to? Well I don't think it was a recent closing, it was just an example I remembered off the top of my head. The thread was titled "For the sake of absurdity..."
THX
I'm afraid the thread "For the sake of absurdity..." was flagrant spam. At first, I let it pass thinking something semi-creative may be produced out of it, yet it took a turn for the worse and was deservingly closed.
Tur713
Quote:
Originally Posted by THX
I'm afraid the thread "For the sake of absurdity..." was flagrant spam. At first, I let it pass thinking something semi-creative may be produced out of it, yet it took a turn for the worse and was deservingly closed.
Ah, thank you for telling me what happened to it. I was just plain confused on why it was closed without even any explaination. Maybe another try at a much later date may have better turn out.
Manderlock
i had a post deleted resently, and i just have something to say
if a post is deleted then the poster ought to be pmed and told why, same thing as being warned for bad grammer. Just tell me what I did wrong and I shall try to correct it if at all possible.
if a post is deleted then the poster ought to be pmed and told why, same thing as being warned for bad grammer. Just tell me what I did wrong and I shall try to correct it if at all possible.
Wrath of m0o
I had a post deleted, but it was because im a nubular and should have read the stickys before posting.
And then this site as a search command that i havent seen on other forums.
You just isnt cool (yes i said is'nt) unless you've had a post deleted
And then this site as a search command that i havent seen on other forums.
You just isnt cool (yes i said is'nt) unless you've had a post deleted
Sausaletus Rex
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manderlock
i had a post deleted resently, and i just have something to say
if a post is deleted then the poster ought to be pmed and told why, same thing as being warned for bad grammer. Just tell me what I did wrong and I shall try to correct it if at all possible. While it wasn't me who deleted your post, I have in the past deleted a post or two so I think I can speak to this.
Yes, it would be nice and proper if every time a mod or an admin did something around here they sent a PM and everything else that can be done to leave notification that something's happened. And we do try to make sure that we're being clear and transparent about our policies and our actions. However, it's patently unrealistic to expect that we can and will always have the time to do everything exactly right. It takes time and effort. Time that we might not have. And effort we might be unwilling to expend. So, no, we don't always send a PM, we're not always clear about things. You know what? Tough.
Simply put, it's our job to enforce the rules around here. Not to make sure that you know them. Knowing, understanding, and following our guidelines is encumbant upon you and you alone. We're here to help, here to guide, here to assist you but in the end it's your responsibility to be culpable for your own actions and not ours.
For minor things, for common things, for things that pop up everyday or should be common sense, I don't think we *need* to send a PM at all. You should know what you did and why it was wrong already or, chances are, you don't belong around here. Not every double post, not every merged thread, not every moved thread, is going to warrant a PM because they're routine. The meaning and reasoning behind it should already be clear.
That said, if you've had something deleted or moved or whatever else and you haven't gotten a PM yet, feel free to PM a mod or an admin and ask why. As I said, we're here to help and if you don't understand the rules or why something you did was wrong or what's happened, then we're more than willing to try and make sure you do.
if a post is deleted then the poster ought to be pmed and told why, same thing as being warned for bad grammer. Just tell me what I did wrong and I shall try to correct it if at all possible. While it wasn't me who deleted your post, I have in the past deleted a post or two so I think I can speak to this.
Yes, it would be nice and proper if every time a mod or an admin did something around here they sent a PM and everything else that can be done to leave notification that something's happened. And we do try to make sure that we're being clear and transparent about our policies and our actions. However, it's patently unrealistic to expect that we can and will always have the time to do everything exactly right. It takes time and effort. Time that we might not have. And effort we might be unwilling to expend. So, no, we don't always send a PM, we're not always clear about things. You know what? Tough.
Simply put, it's our job to enforce the rules around here. Not to make sure that you know them. Knowing, understanding, and following our guidelines is encumbant upon you and you alone. We're here to help, here to guide, here to assist you but in the end it's your responsibility to be culpable for your own actions and not ours.
For minor things, for common things, for things that pop up everyday or should be common sense, I don't think we *need* to send a PM at all. You should know what you did and why it was wrong already or, chances are, you don't belong around here. Not every double post, not every merged thread, not every moved thread, is going to warrant a PM because they're routine. The meaning and reasoning behind it should already be clear.
That said, if you've had something deleted or moved or whatever else and you haven't gotten a PM yet, feel free to PM a mod or an admin and ask why. As I said, we're here to help and if you don't understand the rules or why something you did was wrong or what's happened, then we're more than willing to try and make sure you do.
Lansing Kai Don
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex
While it wasn't me who deleted your post, I have in the past deleted a post or two so I think I can speak to this.
Yes, it would be nice and proper if every time a mod or an admin did something around here they sent a PM and everything else that can be done to leave notification that something's happened. And we do try to make sure that we're being clear and transparent about our policies and our actions. However, it's patently unrealistic to expect that we can and will always have the time to do everything exactly right. It takes time and effort. Time that we might not have. And effort we might be unwilling to expend. So, no, we don't always send a PM, we're not always clear about things. You know what? Tough.
Simply put, it's our job to enforce the rules around here. Not to make sure that you know them. Knowing, understanding, and following our guidelines is encumbant upon you and you alone. We're here to help, here to guide, here to assist you but in the end it's your responsibility to be culpable for your own actions and not ours.
For minor things, for common things, for things that pop up everyday or should be common sense, I don't think we *need* to send a PM at all. You should know what you did and why it was wrong already or, chances are, you don't belong around here. Not every double post, not every merged thread, not every moved thread, is going to warrant a PM because they're routine. The meaning and reasoning behind it should already be clear.
That said, if you've had something deleted or moved or whatever else and you haven't gotten a PM yet, feel free to PM a mod or an admin and ask why. As I said, we're here to help and if you don't understand the rules or why something you did was wrong or what's happened, then we're more than willing to try and make sure you do. I like how you ended it with we're here to help, I was scared by the message you're sending was we don't care how you feel, it's our job not yours nada nada nada. I'm not disagreeing with you that on every deleted post you should send a PM, just that you expect people to know why their posts were deleted (i.e. meaning and reasoning should already be clear), and also say that we try to be transparent and clear on our actions. This isn't possible if they don't know why their post was deleted.. it's a contradiction of itself. Also, it's completely one-sided, you *could* delete this post because you wanted to and you didn't think it was appropriate. While I respect your view, I didn't see any reason why it was deleted. You also perceived there was no reason for communication on this post. Okay, now another post of mine is deleted, again no communication. This, to me, sends a very bad signal on the admins. If I didn't want to put the time and effort into a project I wouldn't do the project. You're right, maintaining forums takes time and effort, if you weren't willing to put in that time and effort, then maybe you shouldn't be an admin (not trying to start something, just logic here...). This doesn't seem like you Rex, I've read your posts, their quite lengthy. Just my opinion.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S. I forgot to add, that I agree completely with your last segment and most of your post (you just seemed like you were saying because I told you so that's why, and I hate that extremely). It is the responsibility of poster's to know the rules (but I'll admit I don't know all of them), but if a post is deleted you would hear from me asking why. And that I agree completely on, that if I didn't receive communication, you'd hear from me (wish I could say the same for the entire community).
Yes, it would be nice and proper if every time a mod or an admin did something around here they sent a PM and everything else that can be done to leave notification that something's happened. And we do try to make sure that we're being clear and transparent about our policies and our actions. However, it's patently unrealistic to expect that we can and will always have the time to do everything exactly right. It takes time and effort. Time that we might not have. And effort we might be unwilling to expend. So, no, we don't always send a PM, we're not always clear about things. You know what? Tough.
Simply put, it's our job to enforce the rules around here. Not to make sure that you know them. Knowing, understanding, and following our guidelines is encumbant upon you and you alone. We're here to help, here to guide, here to assist you but in the end it's your responsibility to be culpable for your own actions and not ours.
For minor things, for common things, for things that pop up everyday or should be common sense, I don't think we *need* to send a PM at all. You should know what you did and why it was wrong already or, chances are, you don't belong around here. Not every double post, not every merged thread, not every moved thread, is going to warrant a PM because they're routine. The meaning and reasoning behind it should already be clear.
That said, if you've had something deleted or moved or whatever else and you haven't gotten a PM yet, feel free to PM a mod or an admin and ask why. As I said, we're here to help and if you don't understand the rules or why something you did was wrong or what's happened, then we're more than willing to try and make sure you do. I like how you ended it with we're here to help, I was scared by the message you're sending was we don't care how you feel, it's our job not yours nada nada nada. I'm not disagreeing with you that on every deleted post you should send a PM, just that you expect people to know why their posts were deleted (i.e. meaning and reasoning should already be clear), and also say that we try to be transparent and clear on our actions. This isn't possible if they don't know why their post was deleted.. it's a contradiction of itself. Also, it's completely one-sided, you *could* delete this post because you wanted to and you didn't think it was appropriate. While I respect your view, I didn't see any reason why it was deleted. You also perceived there was no reason for communication on this post. Okay, now another post of mine is deleted, again no communication. This, to me, sends a very bad signal on the admins. If I didn't want to put the time and effort into a project I wouldn't do the project. You're right, maintaining forums takes time and effort, if you weren't willing to put in that time and effort, then maybe you shouldn't be an admin (not trying to start something, just logic here...). This doesn't seem like you Rex, I've read your posts, their quite lengthy. Just my opinion.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S. I forgot to add, that I agree completely with your last segment and most of your post (you just seemed like you were saying because I told you so that's why, and I hate that extremely). It is the responsibility of poster's to know the rules (but I'll admit I don't know all of them), but if a post is deleted you would hear from me asking why. And that I agree completely on, that if I didn't receive communication, you'd hear from me (wish I could say the same for the entire community).
Davion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o
I had a post deleted, but it was because im a nubular and should have read the stickys before posting.
And then this site as a search command that i havent seen on other forums.
You just isnt cool (yes i said is'nt) unless you've had a post deleted
And that is the whole intent behind it. It makes you learn quickly the right from wrong. As Rex says....it's their rules..not ours. That's how it stays one of the best.. it needs to be policed ( whether you'd like it or not) to be properly managed.
And then this site as a search command that i havent seen on other forums.
You just isnt cool (yes i said is'nt) unless you've had a post deleted
And that is the whole intent behind it. It makes you learn quickly the right from wrong. As Rex says....it's their rules..not ours. That's how it stays one of the best.. it needs to be policed ( whether you'd like it or not) to be properly managed.
Crimson Gemini
My post was deleted as well and all I did was state a few problems with the game that I noticed and wanted feedback from other players. So if that made people mad then I suggest they lrelax a little. This is a place for people to express their opinions, and so far you have ripped that away from me.
Manderlock
Wow, I posted that like the first week, and now I come back to find that I dont belong here? I still dont know what I did wrong in that post and it has never been exlained to me.
Also Lansing left of his own free will, so why is he "banned".
Also Lansing left of his own free will, so why is he "banned".
Inde
You forget - I obtain my jollies from randomly deleting and locking threads.
Or perhaps, this does it:
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Originally Posted by Moderator Log
Or perhaps, this does it:
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20:09, 28th Apr 2005 Inde Thread moved to 'Sardelac Sanitarium'.
Magically found at: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5144
You can apologize for being trollish anytime now.
You can apologize for being trollish anytime now.
Manderlock
Hehe, no thinking of any more ironic threads now dream.
EDIT: awww its gone now
EDIT: awww its gone now
Dreamsmith
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Originally Posted by Manderlock
EDIT: awww its gone now
If there's a point here, it's that we all make mistakes. No one said you didn't belong, Manderlock. I doubt anyone even remembers which post of yours was deleted that first week, or why, but who cares? If no one PM'ed you, it's because it wasn't worth devoting that much time to. If you had done something seriously wrong, you would have received a PM, that's for certain. So essentially one of your messages got caught up in what was a minor thread cleanup. Don't sweat it.
For the record, the majority of messages I delete are by perfectly fine posters, and there's nothing wrong with them per se, usually they're replies to some message that did violate the rules. When I delete one of those, I try to catch all the replies as well. There's no way I'm PM'ing everyone who lost a message that way. I simply count on the fact that most people will keep a sense of perspective about things.
Don't take "violated the rules" like it's some sort of insult, either. Anyone who engages in discussions long enough is bound to stray outside the boundries from time to time. I do it myself. Sometimes I'm too focused on the last message to really be considering the big picture. So a moderator comes in and does it for me. Fair enough. I may not have gotten the last word, I may have had more I could have said, I may even have had some of what I said deleted, but when a moderator says we draw the line here, then the line is drawn, and I go on to discuss other things elsewhere. It's not an insult or an attack or anything other than a moderator moderating a moderated discussion. They felt the comments weren't helpful to their readers, and I may disagree, but that's what the moderator's job is and unless I'm that moderator, it's guarenteed that I'm not always going to agree. I just don't make more out of it than what it is. "It's a fair cop."
Moderated discussions are not free-for-alls, and it's a bad moderator who doesn't try to keep a discussion focused. Keep things relevant, non-inflamatory, on-topic, and in threads that don't duplicate existing threads, and your posts will remain. Otherwise, they'll go, because that's the point of having moderators. Civil, public discussions of controversial issues always have a moderator for a good reason. It does not benefit the listener to have them be unmoderatared, regardless of how entertaining it may be for the actual debaters. For every poster to a thread, there are hundreds or thousands of readers. As Spock would say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
Keep in mind that ultimately, this is not a giant free-speech zone, it is a moderated discussion of the game. Anything the moderators think doesn't contribute positively to that discussion should be deleted. In fact, we're generally too lax in that regard. There are a lot of pointless posts out there. But we do what we can...
Anyhow, that's more or less what I meant to say in my deleted post, somewhat less concisely, I'm afraid, but also more eloquently put, I hope.
EnDinG
The forums are great so far. No real jerks posting up things that shouldn't be posted, theres not as many flames as (ugh, bad comparasion but meh) WoW forums, and the community here is pretty friendly.
Hope the Admins / Mods keep up the good work, looking forward to spending my GW future here.
Just for you mods...
Hope the Admins / Mods keep up the good work, looking forward to spending my GW future here.
Just for you mods...
Wind
I made a thread the other day about the Signet of Capture and I searched all over for it today, and it was nowhere to be found. Can someone explain that one?
Inde
Well Wind, that had to do with you posting in the wrong forum three or four times.
SOT
I have been wracking my brain for a few minutes. It seems that someone is throwing threads I start, or threads I participate in, by randomly, and I mean RANDOMLY deleting my posts.
Rather than be angry and pitch a shit fit about it, I am merely curious what their point is. I have been sent one pm of warning since my arrival here, and I have tried to respect the rules.
Sometimes, like the people half my age who do the same, I fall short and perhaps my comments stray from acceptable commentary.
Nothing, however, warrants random deletion of comments. It would be one thing to do so and remove the responses to my offending posts, but those are being kept in, which throws it all into disarray, and quite honestly makes us all look like fools to new people.
Just wanted to bring it up.
Rather than be angry and pitch a shit fit about it, I am merely curious what their point is. I have been sent one pm of warning since my arrival here, and I have tried to respect the rules.
Sometimes, like the people half my age who do the same, I fall short and perhaps my comments stray from acceptable commentary.
Nothing, however, warrants random deletion of comments. It would be one thing to do so and remove the responses to my offending posts, but those are being kept in, which throws it all into disarray, and quite honestly makes us all look like fools to new people.
Just wanted to bring it up.
Dreamsmith
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Originally Posted by eeyore1000
I had only been registered for ten minutes...
That's usually a dead giveway that you're dealing with a spammer right there.
We get a ridiculous number of posts and threads started by people who login for one purpose and one purpose alone: to advertise something, or worse yet, just to put a link somewhere to boost their Google rating. We ban actual users of our forum with extreme reluctance, but someone who just created an account ten minutes ago for no other purpose than to advertise something is not going to see that same reluctance.
And if you saw the volume of spam fora have to deal with, you'd understand that it's an unreasonable request to go through a whole warnings and explanations process with every incident. Heck, half the time, the spammers never log back in to check anyhow. Just a hit and run spammer, nine times out of ten.
And how do you recognize the hit and run spammer? The easiest way is the fact that they've only ever made the one or two advertising posts, ten minutes after registering. Sorry if there was some mixup, but from your description of what happened, you fit the profile of a hit and run spammer perfectly. You can hopefully understand why you might have been seen that way, given how exactly your actions fit that profile.
In your specific case, I don't know any particulars other than what you've posted. There may or may not have been other reasons as well, but again, understanding the volume of the crap we have to sift through, there may be no admin or mod here who even remembers your particular post. Just from your description, however, it does sound like it was a simple case of "see spammer, delete spammer".
"Promoting an event" is advertising, by definition, and if you came here for no other reason than that (and a posting history devoid of anything but advertising messages would prove that), you have to understand there are a million things people could advertise here, even a large number of Guild Wars related things. If we allow that kind of advertising, we'll be swamped in it.
With the volume of traffic we've been getting in the last few weeks, this site has become quite expensive to run. We will probably have advertising space available in the near future, placed in such a way that it doesn't swamp forum content. Perhaps at that time you can inquire about advertising your event(s).
Alternately, perhaps we can have some sort of regional events database implemented on the site? It wouldn't really work well as a forum thread, having to wade through all kinds of messages unrelated to your region, and a forum devoted to it would be as big a mess as the Guild Auditorium was when every guild in creation was trying to recruit there. But some sort of database apart from the fora might be nice. Not sure if there's really enough interest in it, though. (If there is, please create a separate thread in Site Feedback to propose/discuss it, as that's not really the topic of this thread. Thanks.)
We get a ridiculous number of posts and threads started by people who login for one purpose and one purpose alone: to advertise something, or worse yet, just to put a link somewhere to boost their Google rating. We ban actual users of our forum with extreme reluctance, but someone who just created an account ten minutes ago for no other purpose than to advertise something is not going to see that same reluctance.
And if you saw the volume of spam fora have to deal with, you'd understand that it's an unreasonable request to go through a whole warnings and explanations process with every incident. Heck, half the time, the spammers never log back in to check anyhow. Just a hit and run spammer, nine times out of ten.
And how do you recognize the hit and run spammer? The easiest way is the fact that they've only ever made the one or two advertising posts, ten minutes after registering. Sorry if there was some mixup, but from your description of what happened, you fit the profile of a hit and run spammer perfectly. You can hopefully understand why you might have been seen that way, given how exactly your actions fit that profile.
In your specific case, I don't know any particulars other than what you've posted. There may or may not have been other reasons as well, but again, understanding the volume of the crap we have to sift through, there may be no admin or mod here who even remembers your particular post. Just from your description, however, it does sound like it was a simple case of "see spammer, delete spammer".
"Promoting an event" is advertising, by definition, and if you came here for no other reason than that (and a posting history devoid of anything but advertising messages would prove that), you have to understand there are a million things people could advertise here, even a large number of Guild Wars related things. If we allow that kind of advertising, we'll be swamped in it.
With the volume of traffic we've been getting in the last few weeks, this site has become quite expensive to run. We will probably have advertising space available in the near future, placed in such a way that it doesn't swamp forum content. Perhaps at that time you can inquire about advertising your event(s).
Alternately, perhaps we can have some sort of regional events database implemented on the site? It wouldn't really work well as a forum thread, having to wade through all kinds of messages unrelated to your region, and a forum devoted to it would be as big a mess as the Guild Auditorium was when every guild in creation was trying to recruit there. But some sort of database apart from the fora might be nice. Not sure if there's really enough interest in it, though. (If there is, please create a separate thread in Site Feedback to propose/discuss it, as that's not really the topic of this thread. Thanks.)
Diplo
First let me say I appreciate how difficult it is to moderate popular forums like this and realise that being a moderator is often a thankless task. However, as a relatively new member I'm a bit perplexed by how many seemingly innocuous threads are being locked without much explanation.
For example, in this thread a new person asks the seemingly innocent question, "Is this game fun?" and the thread is locked with the strange and terse response, "Locked. Wrong question to ask." What is that supposed to mean? It hardly gives the impression of a welcoming and warm community.
Then this thread about real-life trading in MMO was locked, with the explanation, "Locked. There are already other posts regarding this." Now I can understand not wanting to have 10 threads on the front-page all discussing the same thing, but surely a little leeway has to be given here. To my mind if people are actively discussing something then that in itself shows there is an interest in the thread. If a thread is redundant it will die a natural death. If it's really important not to ever repeat a discussion then perhaps link back to the original thread so people can go back to that. Just locking it seems a little Draconian.
The moderator also added, "Plus as said many times before - discuss about it, but DO NOT link to external sites that sell this stuff." Now I admit I linked to eBay's "Guild Wars" section in the thread, but who doesn't know about eBay? I also could see nowhere in the forum guidelines that said you couldn't link to sites that might sell items from games. If this is a rule it should be in the guidelines.
Sorry to sound like I'm moaning because, on the whole, this forum is great. I just feel that if threads are to be locked there needs to be a decent explanation why and some consistency in the moderation approach.
For example, in this thread a new person asks the seemingly innocent question, "Is this game fun?" and the thread is locked with the strange and terse response, "Locked. Wrong question to ask." What is that supposed to mean? It hardly gives the impression of a welcoming and warm community.
Then this thread about real-life trading in MMO was locked, with the explanation, "Locked. There are already other posts regarding this." Now I can understand not wanting to have 10 threads on the front-page all discussing the same thing, but surely a little leeway has to be given here. To my mind if people are actively discussing something then that in itself shows there is an interest in the thread. If a thread is redundant it will die a natural death. If it's really important not to ever repeat a discussion then perhaps link back to the original thread so people can go back to that. Just locking it seems a little Draconian.
The moderator also added, "Plus as said many times before - discuss about it, but DO NOT link to external sites that sell this stuff." Now I admit I linked to eBay's "Guild Wars" section in the thread, but who doesn't know about eBay? I also could see nowhere in the forum guidelines that said you couldn't link to sites that might sell items from games. If this is a rule it should be in the guidelines.
Sorry to sound like I'm moaning because, on the whole, this forum is great. I just feel that if threads are to be locked there needs to be a decent explanation why and some consistency in the moderation approach.