Black Dye: Supply and Demand

TopGun

TopGun

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

For the life of me, I cannot figure this. WHY is Black dye so valued by the playerbase? I have no problem with it being this way, but I can't see why its SO high in demand that the prices are skyrocketing that high. Is it just rarer? Is it a more valuable component of mixed dyes? I don't get it.

DavenXion

DavenXion

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Huntsville, AL

Xion Nights

W/N

I think its cause everyone wants that 'bad boy' image the Fonsie instilled in all of us.

MGSRevolver

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

[OMFG]

N/Me

Most people like badass black armor, I guess. Plus, to make it yourself, you have to aquire several other dyes and blend them.

Aloren

Aloren

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Darkstalkers

W/E

what are the other colors needed to make the black?

Is there a limited color depth on each dye, or could I use a black dye to make a red darker?

nechronius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Southern Cali

Herald of the Storm

W/R

Uh, black dye is black dye.

I don't think the game uses actual color palettes when mixing dyes. Nobody knows for sure what sort of formula is involved yet I don't think.

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloren
what are the other colors needed to make the black?

Is there a limited color depth on each dye, or could I use a black dye to make a red darker?
Yes, black dye will make another dye darker.

Rellok

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Madison, WI

W/Mo

Charles Ensign posted a color chart showing how 2 dyes would mix together. I believe he had even tested them all.

I don't think you can mix non-black dye together and get black.

Yes you can mix red and black to make a darker red.

Matt

CatLady

CatLady

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

No. Calif

Black is just a popular color. Always has been. And yeah...it's seen as a 'cool' or 'rebellious' color, much of the time.

I personally refuse to pay 3000+ for a single black dye (trader).
And I also, personally, have yet to ever have a black dye 'drop'. Purple & orange seems to be the most common dye drop, for me. *mutters about having 12 purple and orange in storage*

Elyscape

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Riot Control

N/Me

Yeah, black dye is worth so much because it:
1) Has super-high demand.
2) Is really freaking rare.
Either alone would make the price high, but when both combine, badness ensues.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

So do we know it is rare? I know that my dye drops are odd, I had no black or silver for ages, but I got 4 silvers in a night (3-4 hours of play). Up to 5 silver and 2 black at this point, but I am wondering if other people have the reverse, too many black drops and not enough of yellow or something.

TopGun

TopGun

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Wait, when I use black dye on my PvP char creation, I DO NOT get black armor, I get the armor's standard color. Black dye is seriously black? I thought it was just a reversion to an origional color...

Aloren

Aloren

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Darkstalkers

W/E

I have never had a single black drop, but i've seen at least 5 of every other color drop in my time on the game.

I'm gonna have to take the dark red for a test run at some point

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

I seem to get a ton of silver as well, I think I have 12 or so in storage. Have never seen a black dye drop. I finally got a dragon sword to drop for me the other night, off of a Jade Scarab of all things. Weird thing is, it is blue, max damage, but nothing else special about it.

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloren
I have never had a single black drop, but i've seen at least 5 of every other color drop in my time on the game.

I'm gonna have to take the dark red for a test run at some point
Here is a pic of my character wearing armor dyed with a blend of black, blue, and purple dyes:



I like it, kinda looks like blue jeans.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatLady
And I also, personally, have yet to ever have a black dye 'drop'.
Man... I've found four black, two silver, and two superior runes of vigor. Both the runes within an hour of eachother.

I sold the black for 1500 each, and one superior for 3000. The guy who bought the superior was almost in tears.

I'm keeping the silver, though. Got plans for it.

Jana

Jana

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Knights of the Silver Flame

Mo/Me

Current price on Black Dye from Vendor as of 5/31/05:

4,650 gold


Dang...


Jana

Rothgar

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

I've got 2 black dies sitting in storage that I got in my first 10 hours of play. I haven't gotten another one since.

I may just sell them once the price hits 6k :-)

Swampgirl Inez

Swampgirl Inez

"I love reading trash!"

Join Date: May 2005

Home Again

I got a black dye about two days into the game. Thought it was cool and used it on my newbie armor...ten minutes later, my guildie told me how much it was worth

*still smacking myself on the head for that one*

trixster44

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

I was wondering is it smarter to trade the black dye for another item or to sell to a dye trader?

C-Tzar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

North AL, USA

E/Mo

I've gotten as many black dyes as any other color. Seems to just be random, but more people want black than anything else. I like black, and might like black on my armor, but not only can I not justify paying for it, I can't justify NOT selling the black dyes I find since poeple are willing to pay so much for them.

uigrad

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Illinois

Quote:
Originally Posted by trixster44
I was wondering is it smarter to trade the black dye for another item or to sell to a dye trader?
If you really need money, the only acceptable solution is to trade it to another player. Go to Ascalon dist. 1, and you'll find someone who will buy it for much more than the dye trader.

If you don't care about cash ('cause you already have everything in the game you want), then just sell it to the dye trader. There's a few people who do this, and that's why the dye trader has them. But, most people trade to other players.

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

Black dye is significantly more rare than the other dyes.

Dyes don't mix like pigments but like lights. Basically a mixed dye shines multiple lights on your armor, with reds coming before greens coming before blues. Silver and black brighten and darken the overall effect.

There are some real oddball combinations in there - my favorite is green plus purple, which actually dyes your armor something relatively close to its 'natural' color. If you have cash to burn and multiple characters I'd suggest trying it - it's a lime green on a Necromancer, a dark red on the Ranger, sea green on a Mesmer, light blue on a Warrior.

But you're going to see some variation in dye from class to class, so no chart is going to be perfect (again, due to base colorations), so just mess with mixing and find something you like. Personally I'm using Green + Blue + Black for a rich, dark green on my Elementalist, and Orange + Black + Black for a brown on my Monk.

Peace,
-CxE