Dev Team Admits there is a Grind!

I have highlighted the pertinent parts

Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Originally Posted by megazero
spent 2 more hours today trying to get battle rage, total time spent, 35+ hours, i know u guys love to SoC for elites, but I think of this as NOT Fun at all

Try again after the patch and let us know how it goes.

The list of upcoming updates on the site is a highlight of what is coming. That's not the whole list. I think many of you will be happy with the incremental steps taken towards helping reduce grind for PvP players. Some of the changes directly address some concerns I see posted on a daily basis ... if I see them being brushed away as being "not enough" then I won't be happy .

During beta most of you were seeing the results of a months worth of intensive development. The alpha testers saw this content incrementally added during the month. Each change was small, but added up to a large impact at the end of the month. What you are seeing now, post release, is a patching time frame much more similar to what the alpha testers were seeing pre-release. Incremental change that will, over a month or two, add up to significant change.

Each step takes us closer to what you all want. Depending on the results of each step, we'll make another step. The important thing to remember here is that the final solution might not be what any of us (you or the dev team) expected. There's two ways to work this: make a big change and hope it provides a solution without annoying a large segement of the player base, or make several incremental changes assessing player feedback along the way.

The first option is risky. Get it wrong (more likely than getting it right) and you risk alienating not only the group of players who are not happy but also a larger segment of the player base who were previously happy. You are far more likely to "overshoot" if you simply slap in place a big change and hope for the best.

The second option allows for us (and you!) to make changes on a continuing basis. If a wrong turn is made, it isn't a disaster and we can wind back the clock. If the correct changes were made, but haven't fully addressed your concerns, then we can keep moving in that direction.
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Alex 'GhostRaptor' Weekes
Guild Wars Community Relations Team
NCsoft (Europe)

(http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/sho...3&postcount=108)

I hope this ends all the arguments that there "is no grind".

I truly hope they do manage to eliminate the horrible grind that becoming PvP competitive has become. I wonder though what exactly incremental steps actually means?

For the love of god and all that is holy, please... PLEASE stop posting about this. If you took the time spent bitching about this subject and applied it to progressing your character, this would be a non-issue.

There's detailed skill listings and maps for almost every elite skill location in the game. I've managed to collect over a dozen elite skills in just the past two days just by playing the game.

The grind for elite skills is not worth complaining about, you bring most of the grind upon yourself.

Please stop CRYING! Oh my god. Im getting sick of these posts.

GET OVER IT ALREDY!!!!

Holy crap. This is worse that the Sorcerer debate over on Wizards.COMmunity during its peak.

Get a grip. Find something else to post about.

You know, you DON'T have read these posts if you are sick of them.

It is old, spend a few hours building your character and all of a sudden everyones whining over a having a +1 item or not. -rediculous- If they overdo it and hand start handing everything out on a silver platter this game will be ruined. The only change involved is more bosses that carry elites, thankfully that is minor enough not to be overly dramatic, and yet it will still cause people to make the same 100+ posts here all whining about having to spend a little time, which creates a longer lasting game. -done replying to anything, flame on I don't care-

I'm locking this as it's a.) a complete non-issue and b.) flamebait.

If you have any grievences with this decision, please PM me.