Signet of Capture needs to be improved.
It should ignore all skills you already have and zoom in on the last skill used by the boss that you do not have. If I'm not mistaken, it will always try to capture the last skill used by the boss even if you already have it. And if you do, it says...you already possess the skill or something like that...This makes capturing of new skills a pain.
The capturing of a skill using Signet of Capture should only be cancelled if I press the Esc key. Currently, it gets cancelled if I press Signet of Capture again. So spamming Signet of Capture can result in not capturing the skill, even though spamming is necessary for stances.
Signet of Capture a broken skill
MaglorD
ManadartheHealer
Also, I think it should only work on Elites...
Once, I "accidentally" captured a standard skill. Yuck
Once, I "accidentally" captured a standard skill. Yuck
Spike
tell me about it I've done that twice now 
MaglorD
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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
Also, I think it should only work on Elites...
Once, I "accidentally" captured a standard skill. Yuck |
Rhunex
ive yet to have a problem with zeroing in on elite skills, its really not hard to push the hotkey right after(or while) the boss is using the skill, at least not for me...i dont know if lagg issues are involved here or what...just my point of view
MaglorD
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Originally Posted by Rhunex
ive yet to have a problem with zeroing in on elite skills, its really not hard to push the hotkey right after(or while) the boss is using the skill, at least not for me...i dont know if lagg issues are involved here or what...just my point of view
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dansamy
I captured a normal my very 1st try using the sig. My next effort was better. I got elemental attunement! Unfortunately, we very shortly afterwards ran into the ettin boss with Healing Hands, which I also had wanted.
buggsy
Theyre not showing on bosses because those skills you want to capture have instantaneous, or near instantaneous casting times. The only way to capture skills like that is to keep casting signet of capture, until it starts capturing what you want. You have to be quick enough to cancel it, cause you will often capture usless skills every 10 seconds or so. Hit or miss.
I think it is unfair.
I think it is unfair.
dargon
Bah, it should be able to get non-elite skills. Afterall, the siginet is cheaper than buying the skill outright, and if you can't find the quest that gives a skill you can still capture it.
Sira
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Originally Posted by MaglorD
Signet of Capture needs to be improved.
It should ignore all skills you already have and zoom in on the last skill used by the boss that you do not have. If I'm not mistaken, it will always try to capture the last skill used by the boss even if you already have it. And if you do, it says...you already possess the skill or something like that...This makes capturing of new skills a pain. The capturing of a skill using Signet of Capture should only be cancelled if I press the Esc key. Currently, it gets cancelled if I press Signet of Capture again. So spamming Signet of Capture can result in not capturing the skill, even though spamming is necessary for stances. |
If elites were easy to get they wouldnt be elites though, I understand about the stances and what not and they require great timing, thast why many people form elite skillhunting teams..the idea is when you get to the boss you dont kill it till everyone has captured the skills they want(unless you capture a different one by mistake) Play it smart guys make sure no one beats on the mob...if your on a skill hunting team you should have monks to keep you alive while waiting for the skill to be used...on top of that there is a small period of time after the skill has been used (very small...maybe a second not much more) that you can still capture the signet...there have been many times for me that when the skill comes up and i click on capture they havent actually started casting/using the skill yet ..maybe its not that the mobs are using skill to fast to capture...maybe you are trying slightly to early...I have captured elites after the skill pic dissapearred from under mobs name (though none were stances i admit)
MaglorD
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Originally Posted by Sira
If elites were easy to get they wouldnt be elites though, I understand about the stances and what not and they require great timing,
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An elite skill-hunting team isn't easy to find. Most ppl quit after they got the skills they want. This is why they need to upgrade the henchies so they can fill in the gap. The AI for the warrior henchies is particularly poor since they always charge to the enemy and end up aggravating another group of enemies.
Also before the recent upgrade, the henchies were getting eaten alive by spectral agony. Now with 3 pieces of armor infused, hopefully they aren't so fragile.
MaglorD
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Originally Posted by dargon
Bah, it should be able to get non-elite skills. Afterall, the siginet is cheaper than buying the skill outright, and if you can't find the quest that gives a skill you can still capture it.
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MaglorD
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Originally Posted by buggsy
Theyre not showing on bosses because those skills you want to capture have instantaneous, or near instantaneous casting times. The only way to capture skills like that is to keep casting signet of capture, until it starts capturing what you want. You have to be quick enough to cancel it, cause you will often capture usless skills every 10 seconds or so. Hit or miss.
I think it is unfair. |
dargon
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Originally Posted by MaglorD
I'd rather buy it...than lose the chance to capture an elite. Afterall it doesn't cost much more buying it than capturing it.
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RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by dargon
But that's just it, you don't loose the chance. You can have more than 1 SoC purchased at a time and I believe (and I'm certain will be corrected if I'm wrong) you can have multiple SoC's in your skill bar at a time
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Tactical-Dillusions
I had 7 in my skill bar when i took on my mirror image..and symbol of wrath. 
I think the SoC system is fine. I have gladly purchased them and was happy to get a standard skill or an elite. A skill is a skill and we can always return to try again for the skills we miss.
I think the SoC system is fine. I have gladly purchased them and was happy to get a standard skill or an elite. A skill is a skill and we can always return to try again for the skills we miss.
Mayar third Keeper
wow u need skill to learn a skill O_O -.-
MaglorD
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Originally Posted by dargon
But that's just it, you don't loose the chance. You can have more than 1 SoC purchased at a time and I believe (and I'm certain will be corrected if I'm wrong) you can have multiple SoC's in your skill bar at a time
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MaglorD
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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions
I had 7 in my skill bar when i took on my mirror image..and symbol of wrath.
I think the SoC system is fine. I have gladly purchased them and was happy to get a standard skill or an elite. A skill is a skill and we can always return to try again for the skills we miss. |
lol, did you really have to resort to that to beat your mirror? I beat my mirror with all my regular skills intact.
So I'm curious, have you completed capturing all your elites?
MaglorD
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Originally Posted by Mayar third Keeper
wow u need skill to learn a skill O_O -.-
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Bazooka
I agree, capturing skills is challenging. I disagree with your whine for the following reasons
1. You should have gotten those "common" skills before you decided to use the "spamming" style of capture. I agree that spamming is currently the only way to get stances reliably, that display bug is being fixed
2. You can carry more than one SoC, so you dont have to worry about "cooldown"
3. There are many more bosses with the skills you want out there now. Just because some really cool guy did the work of putting up a website guide for you doesnt mean thats the ONLY way to capture that skill
For all the times you've been SoC hunting and been frustrated, you will jump up dance,freak out your dog and scare your neighbor when a boss with a skill you want spawns right next to a zoneline "swirly".
Whats that mean? Sometimes its hard...sometimes its really really easy.
Explore young padawan.
1. You should have gotten those "common" skills before you decided to use the "spamming" style of capture. I agree that spamming is currently the only way to get stances reliably, that display bug is being fixed
2. You can carry more than one SoC, so you dont have to worry about "cooldown"
3. There are many more bosses with the skills you want out there now. Just because some really cool guy did the work of putting up a website guide for you doesnt mean thats the ONLY way to capture that skill
For all the times you've been SoC hunting and been frustrated, you will jump up dance,freak out your dog and scare your neighbor when a boss with a skill you want spawns right next to a zoneline "swirly".
Whats that mean? Sometimes its hard...sometimes its really really easy.
Explore young padawan.
BahamutKaiser
I think it simply shouldn't capture skills you already have, that is quite useless. But capturing weak skills that you didn't want is a legitimate casualty, at least you have a new skill and you wouldn't capture it again if they fixed it.
MaglorD
@Bazooka
Well arena.net took my feedback and they have revamped the skill capture. Apparently you can now target the dead boss and choose which skills you want captured. So quit whining about my suggestion.
Well arena.net took my feedback and they have revamped the skill capture. Apparently you can now target the dead boss and choose which skills you want captured. So quit whining about my suggestion.
Rhunex
The only thing about the new way to capture, is it sucks. You have to have a dead boss to capture the skill...
So far, I've seen these problems:
Monk Bosses, surrounded by tons of monsters = Living monsters, living boss, impossible to cap monk skills(this is instanced from an experience i had on volcano islands today)
Cinematics cuz into some skills...(maybe? people have tried to disprove it, but there's still too many instances to bug test)
And anyways, I like it better the old way. Its not like it's hard to know when a boss is dont casting a spell to capture. It usually has a gold outline, and you can see the name of it...and when it's done being cast, it fades or is taken up by another skill. If you cap then, you get the skill you want...real easy.
So far, I've seen these problems:
Monk Bosses, surrounded by tons of monsters = Living monsters, living boss, impossible to cap monk skills(this is instanced from an experience i had on volcano islands today)
Cinematics cuz into some skills...(maybe? people have tried to disprove it, but there's still too many instances to bug test)
And anyways, I like it better the old way. Its not like it's hard to know when a boss is dont casting a spell to capture. It usually has a gold outline, and you can see the name of it...and when it's done being cast, it fades or is taken up by another skill. If you cap then, you get the skill you want...real easy.
MaglorD
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The only thing about the new way to capture, is it sucks. You have to have a dead boss to capture the skill...
So far, I've seen these problems: Monk Bosses, surrounded by tons of monsters = Living monsters, living boss, impossible to cap monk skills(this is instanced from an experience i had on volcano islands today) Cinematics cuz into some skills...(maybe? people have tried to disprove it, but there's still too many instances to bug test) And anyways, I like it better the old way. Its not like it's hard to know when a boss is dont casting a spell to capture. It usually has a gold outline, and you can see the name of it...and when it's done being cast, it fades or is taken up by another skill. If you cap then, you get the skill you want...real easy. |
But I disagree that it's easy to capture for skills such as stances...you cannot tell when it's being used.
Btw, which boss are you referring to? The monk boss at Perdition Rock? I didn't have any trouble killing him with my Warrior...but maybe a monk primary might have trouble...did u try using scourge healing?
Gun Giddy
I captured my first elite skill today before I went to work. When I got back from work they had implimented the new signet of capture. Man is the new way nice. I just captured a few more elites tonight. This is a much better way of doing it.
glasszon
Actually, I find this method is harder for me. Because some of the elite skills I want to get are from bosses that you don't normally kill while going through the mission, hence unless I can find a group that are willing to go off a bit and kill the boss for me (no way I could kill him by myself), I ended up not being able to capture that elite skill at all with this new update. I think it will be best by having you can either capture the skill from living bosses like the old way or you could choose to kill it and then choose the skill you wanted. To give people at least a chance of capturing elite skills from bosses that normal group don't touch.
Ninna
the new system makes SoC easier with a henchman party 
Kari
Makes it impossible to capute Barrage off Markis in the iron mines mission now - as soon as he dies the cut scene starts then you're in the next town...
RTSFirebat
Then really the new system is fine... however they should add the old system as well so people have the option to capture elites/skills using different methods of their choosing.
Juhanah
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Then really the new system is fine... however they should add the old system as well so people have the option to capture elites/skills using different methods of their choosing.
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And for barrage skill people are not able to get, The Abbandon Mouth missions is only 2 mission away from Iron Mine. And it's not like you will absolutly need it to get there.
Bazooka
Are you SURE you have to kill the boss to capture?
The "old" method of captuing, waiting for the boss to use the skill while he's alive, seems to be working just fine.
Unfortunately, the display bugs seem to still be there.
The boss doesnt show stances or preparations he is using.
The "old" method of captuing, waiting for the boss to use the skill while he's alive, seems to be working just fine.
Unfortunately, the display bugs seem to still be there.
The boss doesnt show stances or preparations he is using.
Juhanah
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Originally Posted by Bazooka
Are you SURE you have to kill the boss to capture?
The "old" method of captuing, waiting for the boss to use the skill while he's alive, seems to be working just fine. Unfortunately, the display bugs seem to still be there. The boss doesnt show stances or preparations he is using. |
If it works i wonder why people who are complaining about the change didn't even try to do it. I know i would have try to capture the usual way first... At least before complaining it destroy to so almighty challenge that capturing a skill is.
Bazooka
I was curious so I logged in and as of 12:48 EST the only way to capture skills now is if the Boss is dead. If you click on the signet any other time, you will get a message
"No corpses of a boss in range"
I hope they update this and allow for both "ways" of capturing.
"No corpses of a boss in range"
I hope they update this and allow for both "ways" of capturing.