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Nascent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 03:30 - 1

This has been really bugging me lately, so I wanted to know if anyone could give me a difinative answer.
First off, the specs:

Motherboard: Asus P4P800-VM
Processor: Pentium 4 @ 2.8 Ghrz
RAM: 1280 DDR
Video Card: Asus/Nvidia V9570 GeForce 5700 with 256 DDR

As of late, my Video Cards temp monitoring settings have been giving me grief, it keeps beeping cause its reached the 120 C threshold. This got me to wondering what the other parts of my PC are running at, so I installed some software that game with my motherboard and it was telling me the CPU was running between 60 to as high as 78 C (depending on what I was doing) and the Motherboard was running at roughly 47 C. I also took the temp of my room, and its about 25 C in here (cant really make it lower, I have a terrarium with a tarantula that needs roughly that to live)

I had problems when I first built this PC, so I threw in two extra fans to help circulate air, but Im still concerned. So I was wondering, what could be considered an average temperature for a computer of those specs? Should I be overly concerned, or am I good so long as it doesnt get much hotter...

I really don't know what else to do aside from get a new heatsink for the CPU. Also the program I used told me the RPM's of the fan for the CPU, and they sat at around 3220 RPM, when it said next to it the Average for a fan was 6000 RPM. If possible, how would I go about boosting the RPM's of my CPU's fan to try and get more air on it? The last thing I want is to burn this bugger out, especially this close to the release date of Guild Wars

Also, moving my computer to another room really isnt an option. No space elsewhere

Darkmane

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Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 04:14 - 2

I'm a bit confused .. you started talking about your video card and the beeping from the temperature warning.

You ended up talking about the CPU...

Which are you concerned with?.. or are you concerned with both?

What HSF (heatsink/fan) do you currently have? You could simply upgrade the fan on the HS. If its not one of those welded on jobbies.

You may need a new HS.

As for the video card.. give me sec

Nascent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 04:38 - 3

lol ah, sorry about the confusion. I'm concerned about both really, since the vid card is running pretty damn hot, and the ambient temp of my computer seems to sit at like 47 C. I just worry about the heat possibly shortening the life of my components. and the fan that's in here...is the only part of the computer Im not sure about. I ordered the parts through my uncle whom runs a tech shop, so I assume its sufficent, since I went over everything with him...but yeah, it seems like its running kinda hot to me.

Mss Drizzt

Lion's Arch Merchant

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communist state of NJ

01 Apr 2005 at 04:43 - 4

Take the side off and blow everything off. Then check if the vid card fan spins free. You prob. need a new heatsink fan for it. also if it does not have mem heat sink you can get them as well it will help some.

But that is way to hot for the Vid card. You will burn out the ram very quick.

Sounds like a Nvidia card. Duh just checked and yup it is.

PhineasToke

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Phantom Menace

W/Mo

01 Apr 2005 at 04:44 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascent

lol ah, sorry about the confusion. I'm concerned about both really, since the vid card is running pretty damn hot, and the ambient temp of my computer seems to sit at like 47 C. I just worry about the heat possibly shortening the life of my components. and the fan that's in here...is the only part of the computer Im not sure about. I ordered the parts through my uncle whom runs a tech shop, so I assume its sufficent, since I went over everything with him...but yeah, it seems like its running kinda hot to me.

Is there a fan on the vid chipset? or heatsinks? The crappy tape they use could have worked loose. You can buy chipset fans from Axiontech.com with clips that fit the holes around the chipset, and come with silver oxide for better heat transfer. It may also be the fan in the power supply failed and the air isn't circulating properly in the case now.

Darkmane

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Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 04:49 - 6

Well if you have an empty bay next to your video card, The following cooler has gotten some good ratings. Obviously you will need to be comfortable with removing the current HSF and installing this one. You will need some good ol arctic silver. If its not under warranty anymore then I'd go ahead and get a few ramsinks and some arctic silver epoxy to put on them BGA's

Its nice cuz it kicks the hot air clean out of your computer and may even lower the temperature of the ambient inside your computer.

Code:

http://www.xoxide.com/arctic-cooling-nv-silencer-6-revision-2.html

The reason I said wait a sec... was because I wanted to take a look at the card and see if I could find the specs for the standard HSF they stuck on it.. but I cant. So the nice quiet one above should be great.

As for your CPU ... do you know what HSF is on there now? If you measure across the Fan across and diagonally ... what is the size in Millimeters?

If you can give me the brand of fan that is on your cpu -and if possible measure how tall it is. in mm's please

Lansing Kai Don

Banned

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Kansas

01 Apr 2005 at 04:57 - 7

Your CPU and Vid card is running hot, and the hotter everything runs is what makes your ambient temperature rise. Lower their temps and you lower the ambient. First of all, describe the color/size/characteristics of the CPU fan/heatsink... maybe we can find out what it is if it isn't generic. Do the same for the video card and make sure their both dust free as someone else mentioned. Then follows these options:

1)Dusty-Blow if off everything hopefully will cool down, dust bunnies are pure evil

2)Overclocking: You bring it on yourself if you weren't fully prepared beforehand and refused to acknowledge the risks and consequences. This doesn't mean I'm against it, just against people complaining about burning items up when doing it (I OC all my older systems but I always have a great HS/Fan with Arctic Silver 5 on it). And if this is the cause step it down a little sheesh.

3)CPU Generic HS/Fan: Get a better one (quiet: Zalman, noisy: many others including Thermaltake, etc..), there is no avoiding it unless you are having problems with number two above. Remember if the CPU heat goes down, so will the ambient, and it may even knock a degree or two off of your vid card.

4)Video Card Heat: I've read on some forums that nVidia has some driver releases that run hotter than others (specifically beta versions and the 71.84) and that you need a decent ambient temp. for the card to fcn worth a dang. So make sure you have good airflow through your case, i.e. coming in the frong and going out the back.

Lansing Kai Don

Nascent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 05:09 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkmane

Well if you have an empty bay next to your video card, The following cooler has gotten some good ratings. Obviously you will need to be comfortable with removing the current HSF and installing this one. You will need some good ol arctic silver. If its not under warranty anymore then I'd go ahead and get a few ramsinks and some arctic silver epoxy to put on them BGA's

Its nice cuz it kicks the hot air clean out of your computer and may even lower the temperature of the ambient inside your computer.

Code:

http://www.xoxide.com/arctic-cooling-nv-silencer-6-revision-2.html

The reason I said wait a sec... was because I wanted to take a look at the card and see if I could find the specs for the standard HSF they stuck on it.. but I cant. So the nice quiet one above should be great.

As for your CPU ... do you know what HSF is on there now? If you measure across the Fan across and diagonally ... what is the size in Millimeters?

If you can give me the brand of fan that is on your cpu -and if possible measure how tall it is. in mm's please

*coughs and hacks, having blown some major dust bunnies off the heatsink* yeah..I need compressed air...BAD. Ahem, the fan is approx. 70 mm across, and the heatsink ... hrm...and now im just confused. (incidentally, this is the first PC i've ever built, probably shows) Im going to take a picture methinks...

*Does so*

HOPEFULY that'll be of some help. what confuses me...is until right now I never noticed the little heatsink(ish) dealy below the fan itself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lansing Kai Don

4)Video Card Heat: I've read on some forums that nVidia has some driver releases that run hotter than others (specifically beta versions and the 71.84) and that you need a decent ambient temp. for the card to fcn worth a dang. So make sure you have good airflow through your case, i.e. coming in the frong and going out the back.

Yeah I recently installed the 71.84 drivers, which could be part of the issue. I do have a fan on the front and back of the case to get air flow moving through it (you can see the one on the back in the picture)

NOTE: I just checked the vid card temp after blowing in the comp and removing some major dirt, and its down to 38 for GPU, and 37 for the Ambient, but I still have the side off my comp...

Darkmane

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Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 05:14 - 9

It looks to me like that HSF on the cpu is one of those welded on jobbies. YUCKAPOO!

I think i'll let other people make suggestions for you as mine tend to somehow get twisted into ' my suggestion is better than yours' kinda thing .. good luck to yas ... If you find you want my opinion feel free to pm me.

Nascent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 05:23 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkmane

It looks to me like that HSF on the cpu is one of those welded on jobbies. YUCKAPOO!

I think i'll let other people make suggestions for you as mine tend to somehow get twisted into ' my suggestion is better than yours' kinda thing .. good luck to yas ... If you find you want my opinion feel free to pm me.

*nods firmly and does so*

I'm up for suggestions all around mind you. Money IS kind of an issue at this point, but if all goes well tomorrow night at an interview >_> it shouldn't be anymore, so im willing to invest some into this beast to make it run better.

Mss Drizzt

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Join Date: Mar 2005

communist state of NJ

01 Apr 2005 at 05:25 - 11

I would recomend getting as many of those exta cables up top as you can.

Use a twist tie to hold them in place. And replace the HSF for the video card.
I saw what it comes with. Not very good. The worst thing is that it uses the plastic clips to hold it in place. Which means that you are not getting a very good contact.

I recomend this. It is cheap and very good.

http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/chipset/a1919.htm

The CPU HSF is not welded on. It is a Stock Intel cooler.

http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/c...2silent775.htm

This one for your P4

Nascent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 05:29 - 12

I will seriously consider that Drizzt, thank you.

It seems dust bunnies were part of my enemy here, I just checked the temps again and they are as follows:

GPU: 39 C
Ambient: 35 C
CPU: 42 C
Motherboard: 38 C

so considerably cooler than before. Mind you I havent actually run any intensive programs yet, but Im already starting to feel a little better with those numbers.

Mss Drizzt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

communist state of NJ

01 Apr 2005 at 05:32 - 13

DUST BAD!!!! But if you dont do anything to the CPU HSF ok. But PLS, change the video card one. The one they put on it is junk and no ram sinks.

The video card one that I recomend is $26.

NEWater

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 05:38 - 14

My usual temp is about 40 when running idle, and about 50-55 when running games or any productivity apps. It's always good to remove that dust from the heatsink fans about once a month, and to bind those cables together for better air circulation (good to see that you've done that).

Dritz's recommendation of the Thermaltake heatsink's good. Better for you to take that. I use stock Intel heatsink but it's still working fine for me. Zalman's another fine alternative.

It looks like you've done almost everything right, but if you're feeling bored (I always do) and have a bit of cash to spend away, might be good to change your casing to an aluminium casing. Ventilates the air away pretty more efficiently.

*late addition* Oh yeah. It's the Nvidia FX5700. I should've noticed that. Nvidia's Geforce FX5--- series run pretty noisy + hot. Nothing I can do about that.

Mss Drizzt

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communist state of NJ

01 Apr 2005 at 05:41 - 15

I do belive from his pic. that he does have an aluminium case.

Look left by the outtake fan.

NEWater

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 05:53 - 16

Hmm? Really?

I can't see the outside of this picture posted, so I can't really say. It's just my list of recommendations to people who want to get that heat off their PCs.

Unless you're an overclocker with a huge wallet, then I can give you so, so much more.

Nascent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

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The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 06:12 - 17

Behold! The Case! (and a somewhat dirty, and disgustingly coloured carpet)

Mss Drizzt

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01 Apr 2005 at 06:45 - 18

cleaner than mine right now. My vacume broke. I have to get it to a kirby dealer to fix.

Lews

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R/E

01 Apr 2005 at 06:55 - 19

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=75060
THat will help the video card.

It's been asid before, but DUST PEOPLE! It will make the computer quieter and also alot smoother/lower temperature.

Just get some 'DUST OFF' From Falcon, I can even get it at the mailbox across the street from my house.

Mine is cleaner

Nascent

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The Shi Mai

01 Apr 2005 at 07:07 - 20

Lol alright, thanks for the suggestions everyone :P so far its running MUCH cooler now that the dust is gone. I'll be looking into new HSF's for my cpu and vid card when I have the cash to spare.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 17:16 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascent

Lol alright, thanks for the suggestions everyone :P so far its running MUCH cooler now that the dust is gone. I'll be looking into new HSF's for my cpu and vid card when I have the cash to spare.

on the cpu cooler

get name brand get copper

get bigger than you need for margin of safety

my barton core 2500+ never gets higher than 45 even if he room is hot

use arctic silver or what is recommended by the heatsink company you ge it from

larger fans for exhaust with a fanbus to run them only as high as needed for hearing comfort

Lansing Kai Don

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2005

Kansas

01 Apr 2005 at 19:18 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

on the cpu cooler

get name brand get copper

get bigger than you need for margin of safety

my barton core 2500+ never gets higher than 45 even if he room is hot

use arctic silver or what is recommended by the heatsink company you ge it from

larger fans for exhaust with a fanbus to run them only as high as needed for hearing comfort

I agree with everything but bigger than you need (sometimes a HS can be huge but doesn't cool worth anything), I'd check sites out like tomshardwareguide.com and frostytech.com to see how they stack up against other HS/Fan's with cooling and noise output. I like a silent computer ( everything but PSU so far... a lil disappointed but learned my lesson).... so I prefer SilenX Fan's ($12) for chassis air flow, and Zalman for HS/Fan ($40 for the pure copper)... I love this thing. And if you trust heat pipes, you can take a look at those too.

Lansing Kai Don

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Apr 2005 at 19:29 - 23

i use OCZ GOLIATH heatsinks

relatively small (copper of course and shrouded)
sunnon case fan on the heatsink

120mm exhaust fan (80+ CFM ) so you can see the need for the fanbus to keep it quiet.

but i have reserve cooling

92 mm intake on fanbus as well

not noisy and works

when the dust elephants shake the room running around i clean them out

EDIT

sorry for confusion

anytime i say bigger than you need i am refering to capacity not physical size but on looking at it there is no reason anybody would know that

Matty

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Join Date: Apr 2005

02 Apr 2005 at 03:09 - 24

everyone else seems to have helped ya out but one quick tip with the whole dust prob I wouldnt use compressed air to clean out the inside the prob with that is your blowing dust deeper into sockets and other places which can cause problems for the rest others have covered haha.

Lansing Kai Don

Banned

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Kansas

02 Apr 2005 at 04:32 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty

everyone else seems to have helped ya out but one quick tip with the whole dust prob I wouldnt use compressed air to clean out the inside the prob with that is your blowing dust deeper into sockets and other places which can cause problems for the rest others have covered haha.

I've never liked compressed air, personally I use a thick paintbrush (watercolor type) to do all of my cleaning (if you haven't tried this, it works wonders and is cheap). I also head some makeup brushes are really good too.

Lansing Kai Don

Ren Falconhand

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R/Mo

02 Apr 2005 at 04:56 - 26

This may sound realy stupid but here goes.

My PC is right next to my window a/c unit. when the a/c is on (most of the time) the a/c blows riight in to the open clots and acoss the Graphics card, I use ATI as my PC has never liked Nvidia

Ren

Lansing Kai Don

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Kansas

02 Apr 2005 at 05:02 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ren Falconhand

This may sound realy stupid but here goes.

My PC is right next to my window a/c unit. when the a/c is on (most of the time) the a/c blows riight in to the open clots and acoss the Graphics card, I use ATI as my PC has never liked Nvidia

Ren

Why is that stupid? Your making a great use of the a/c as a cooling agent for your computer. If it's a window unit it should blow all over the computer right? Or is there come kind of mini window unit? What I don't like about compressed air is that it blows dust everywhere instead of someplace easily picked up by hand (as in my paintbrush remark). And, wow, I guess it's true. It seems there is nVidia fans and there is ATI fans and then the very very few of us who don't care and instead look at performance to the dollar.

Lansing Kai Don

Ren Falconhand

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R/Mo

02 Apr 2005 at 05:18 - 28

Thanks I thought I would get burned on that on. As to Nivida I try one once and could not even get windows to start. Once bitten twice shy.

Ren

Lews

Desert Nomad

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R/E

02 Apr 2005 at 05:51 - 29

Thats smart, not stupid.

static deathbringer

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Ft Lauderdale florida, its hot here :(

The Harpers

W/Mo

02 Apr 2005 at 11:09 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascent

This has been really bugging me lately, so I wanted to know if anyone could give me a difinative answer.
First off, the specs:

Motherboard: Asus P4P800-VM
Processor: Pentium 4 @ 2.8 Ghrz
RAM: 1280 DDR
Video Card: Asus/Nvidia V9570 GeForce 5700 with 256 DDR

As of late, my Video Cards temp monitoring settings have been giving me grief, it keeps beeping cause its reached the 120 C threshold. This got me to wondering what the other parts of my PC are running at, so I installed some software that game with my motherboard and it was telling me the CPU was running between 60 to as high as 78 C (depending on what I was doing) and the Motherboard was running at roughly 47 C. I also took the temp of my room, and its about 25 C in here (cant really make it lower, I have a terrarium with a tarantula that needs roughly that to live)

I had problems when I first built this PC, so I threw in two extra fans to help circulate air, but Im still concerned. So I was wondering, what could be considered an average temperature for a computer of those specs? Should I be overly concerned, or am I good so long as it doesnt get much hotter...

I really don't know what else to do aside from get a new heatsink for the CPU. Also the program I used told me the RPM's of the fan for the CPU, and they sat at around 3220 RPM, when it said next to it the Average for a fan was 6000 RPM. If possible, how would I go about boosting the RPM's of my CPU's fan to try and get more air on it? The last thing I want is to burn this bugger out, especially this close to the release date of Guild Wars

Also, moving my computer to another room really isnt an option. No space elsewhere

i dont know if its been mentioned yet, but what kind of power supply do you have? whats the wattage on it? reason i ask is you are running some powerful stuff there and if you dont have a power supply of at least 350-450 you may have some serious trobule in the future, i made my first comp with a 433 amd and a 32mb vid card(back then it was as uber as it could get) and only put in a 80 watt power supp. needless to say it ran for about 4-5 hours till everything fried...just suggestion even if it dosent fix your current problem, but it might