I know why many people including me cannot pay this game more than an hour at a time, Bacause it gates annoying and boring.
Why does it get boring you ask?
Well.. Basically, all you do is kill, There is no fishing, mining, crafting, shops (merchants suck), no bank, All there is is killing.
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WTB WTS WTT Isnt a very good trade base, why not have shops so you wont have to deal with morons?, And with stuff like mining, and fishing, and mabe even marrage, You would have things to do other than find groups and hack n slash.
Agree with me or not, This is why the game gets boring.
Why this game gets boring.
Shadowz
paulniswander
I would have to agree with you to a point. Recently I've found myself getting bored very quickly with the RP part of the game. I'm just a casual player, and even switching characters doesn't help much...in fact it adds the grind back into the game that GW was supposed to eleminate. PVP is where the game gets it's longevity. You'll need to start trying that out soon.
Loviatar
if you actually enjoy the hours of grinding rock or choping wood this is not the game for you
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PVP is where the game gets it's longevity. You'll need to start trying that out soon.
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Indolo
I don't see it as mindless killing. I see it as working with a team to accomplish objectives. Sometimes you have great teams and it's easy which can be fun. Sometimes you have not so great groups and it's a challenge, which can be fun.
I just started a mesmer finally and on the Nolani mission the other night, half the party died due to over-aggroing (which only left my res signet that had already been used). So just my mesmer and a ranger cleared out all the charr for that mission, and it was fun using strategy and tactics and cooperation.
Maybe you just need to change your perspective. I go out with objectives, which makes the killing just a part of completing those objectives. The other night, objective was to do a couple missions with a bonus goal of trying to find a new recruit for my guild. Completed both and it was fun.
I'll admit if you let yourself get caught up in farming and the like it can get boring. If you play when you don't feel like playing because you want to accomplish something, it gets boring and annoying. Playing with hench all the time can get boring (they're just no good at conversation). Just play to have to fun and the rest fills in on it's own.
Edit: Everquest had it's own terrible tedium. How much of that game was spent trying to get in a group so you could sit in one spot doing mindless killing for hours?
I just started a mesmer finally and on the Nolani mission the other night, half the party died due to over-aggroing (which only left my res signet that had already been used). So just my mesmer and a ranger cleared out all the charr for that mission, and it was fun using strategy and tactics and cooperation.
Maybe you just need to change your perspective. I go out with objectives, which makes the killing just a part of completing those objectives. The other night, objective was to do a couple missions with a bonus goal of trying to find a new recruit for my guild. Completed both and it was fun.
I'll admit if you let yourself get caught up in farming and the like it can get boring. If you play when you don't feel like playing because you want to accomplish something, it gets boring and annoying. Playing with hench all the time can get boring (they're just no good at conversation). Just play to have to fun and the rest fills in on it's own.
Edit: Everquest had it's own terrible tedium. How much of that game was spent trying to get in a group so you could sit in one spot doing mindless killing for hours?
Holoman
Hmm, but this is not a MMORPG it's more Dungeon Siege and Diablo like.
Mina
This game needs more PvE dept.
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This game needs more PvE dept.
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). As for PvE I prefer tracking above missions which are very repititive. Unfortunately some locations can only be accessed by missions and you need the skill points gained by completing them. If the team of devellopers would make it possible to do the whole adventure part by tracking, including randomly generated dungeons with bosses on the route, the PvE part would be much more fun . The missions would become what missions should be: added fun for those who like to do more!But lets not complain: Arenanet is listening carefully and does its best to make this game fun for everyone
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Perishiko ReLLiK
I agree on the current trade system being a bit "out dated"... but really, it's a pvp game... if you want all that mindless, click and hope to do something(fishing, mining, ect...) then go pay monthly for that boring crap...
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Yea, but I was expecting more of an Everquest, than an Unreal Tournament.
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Shadowz
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Then go play Everquest.
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Mina
Even diablo 2 had depth. Plus the max level wasnt 20.
Ginko
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If all your doing is clicking, then your doing something wrong. I suggest you get into a decent guild and you'll be able to explore a more positive side of Guild Wars.
All this depth crap is really annoying, fishing and crafting is not fun. Going out and finding that new skill is.
About PvP, people don't play it for the ladder they play it for fun. Creating a complex build to slaughter your foes and then executing it and finding out it rocks is very enjoyable, I love both forms of gameplay and I will continue to play Guild Wars for a very long period of time.
Everyone who complains are people who have no guild or a crappy one so they only see the bad side of the community. That or they just play to much and breeze through all the content. People shouldn't play more then an hour a day and I assure you it's more fun that way.
Guild Wars has made me happy for the last three months and I don't see any reason to leave until the game is shut off. As long as ArenaNet brings in content, I'm good.
ArenaNet= Best developer ever.
--Ginko
Mina
Actuallly a game being free or pay to play does influence players. I know for a fact that many won't play certain games because they charge. So your opinion is wrong.
Games need to have depth to maintain longevity and replay value. God you act like you never played another game before....
Its ok you're happy, but you being happy doesn't mean everyone should be or is. You seem too narrowminded.
It doesn't matter if you are guilded, in a crappy guild(define crappy) or solo. thats a stupid argument.
ArenaNet isnt the best developer. You sound like a friggin brainwashed fan boy.
Games need to have depth to maintain longevity and replay value. God you act like you never played another game before....
Its ok you're happy, but you being happy doesn't mean everyone should be or is. You seem too narrowminded.
It doesn't matter if you are guilded, in a crappy guild(define crappy) or solo. thats a stupid argument.
ArenaNet isnt the best developer. You sound like a friggin brainwashed fan boy.
Infinite Sadness
I agree that this game is short-sighted on PvE and more focus on competiveness. (Ie. Guild, balance, cap).
However that doesnt mean just because GW focuses on PvP, the PvE has to be handicapped. The cute emotes add a lot to the RPG element already, GW just needs more stuff like that. Decorations, etc. My idea is to have more accessories for pure style reasons: earrings, shades, i dunno.
If anyone played Gunbound of Quiz Quiz, ud know what i mean.
However that doesnt mean just because GW focuses on PvP, the PvE has to be handicapped. The cute emotes add a lot to the RPG element already, GW just needs more stuff like that. Decorations, etc. My idea is to have more accessories for pure style reasons: earrings, shades, i dunno.
If anyone played Gunbound of Quiz Quiz, ud know what i mean.
Wrain Nightshade
and once you've gotten your 8 skills that you plan to keep cause you've seen all the other skills and even if you got them you wouldn't use them, what then?
johnisme
The game isn't boring,you are bored with the game.Many more people here do not get bored as easy as you,i find i have to turn of the game and force myself to go to sleep.
Infinite Sadness
Also, i have another pretty important point: the wholes idea of having instanced areas for u to explore is negated by the fact you need a group to survive the mass mobs in some areas. Make the lands more frielndly to explore by yourself. Thats a reason I loved pre-Searing. I would spend hours just exploring areas. That doesnt mean u have to make it easy, its just annoying when the only reason u need to drag Henchies along is to compensate for the higher number of mobs. Lower the mobs so we can explore ourselves. my 2 cents.
CatLady
I'm pre-dominantly PvE, but I bought this game knowing it's main focus was on the Guild PvP concept. So I didn't expect GW to be super-RPG/PVE. It's fun to log in now and then and do the missions or whatever I have left to do and have no complaints about the RPG aspect.
In future expansions I believe they're planning on more quests and areas and the like. If you're bored of the PvE now, put the game aside, play other games that are out there, and come back later when you think they've done enough updating to make it worth checking out again. Or just to make it fresh again because of absence. No loss, since it's free, right?
Edit - about cost of gaming - if I get 30-40 hours of gameplay I think I've gotten my money's worth, even if I get bored of a game in a month. I'd only have to see 5-6 movies to equal a game cost, and that's far less than 30-40 hours for that $60.
In future expansions I believe they're planning on more quests and areas and the like. If you're bored of the PvE now, put the game aside, play other games that are out there, and come back later when you think they've done enough updating to make it worth checking out again. Or just to make it fresh again because of absence. No loss, since it's free, right?
Edit - about cost of gaming - if I get 30-40 hours of gameplay I think I've gotten my money's worth, even if I get bored of a game in a month. I'd only have to see 5-6 movies to equal a game cost, and that's far less than 30-40 hours for that $60.
Juhanah
As i said in another post a while ago. This is a PvP based game.. with PvE. It's just that Arenanet and NCsoft didn't advertize it as a PvP game.
The first time i played it in the "E3 for Everyone" event, it was clear that the game was PvP with a few PvE element. IMO, they added more PvE because lots of people liked it. But the main point of the game was still PvP from the start.
It's like if you played an FPS in story mode only and find that there's not much to do beside killing terrorist.. But FPS game are advertized as FPS and multiplayer PvP.. Guild Wars wasn't advertized as PvP and i think it was an error.
For people who learn about the game by seeing the box in store. They have no clue that the game is PvP.. It looks more like a revolutionary MMORPG. But every new MMORPG advertize as "revolutionary" so you think it will be the same thing with a couple new feature.. but its not. The game is based around PvP.
Of course the PvE part is amazing and very new to online games. But the reason why its small and may feel empty in depth is because it wasnt suposed to be a PvE game.
Either Arenanet and NCsoft should have advertized more like a PvP game, or people should get more information before they buy a new game.
The first time i played it in the "E3 for Everyone" event, it was clear that the game was PvP with a few PvE element. IMO, they added more PvE because lots of people liked it. But the main point of the game was still PvP from the start.
It's like if you played an FPS in story mode only and find that there's not much to do beside killing terrorist.. But FPS game are advertized as FPS and multiplayer PvP.. Guild Wars wasn't advertized as PvP and i think it was an error.
For people who learn about the game by seeing the box in store. They have no clue that the game is PvP.. It looks more like a revolutionary MMORPG. But every new MMORPG advertize as "revolutionary" so you think it will be the same thing with a couple new feature.. but its not. The game is based around PvP.
Of course the PvE part is amazing and very new to online games. But the reason why its small and may feel empty in depth is because it wasnt suposed to be a PvE game.
Either Arenanet and NCsoft should have advertized more like a PvP game, or people should get more information before they buy a new game.
Dirkiess
I enjoy a good game of Pac Man in between, or maybe go for a bike ride to clear the cob webs, go to the Piccies to watch a film, but I still come back to GW to have some fun with my gaming.
Ok, it has good and bad points, and I know some people who rushed through very quickly just to get to the end of the game and say they beat the last mission. Now they are bored because they have done it and don't know what else to do.
I haven't even got close to that part yet. I have 2 characters, one lvl20 and a lvl15. I just enjoy seeing what I can achieve with my characters and what is the best combinations to go with. And before someone says I haven't played other games, I've played games for many years.
I try not to get tied down to one game either and like diversity. I used to be tied down to a job for 13 years, and that got very boring, same shit everyday, so I left and I do other things and enjoy what i do a lot more.
We all have our favourite ideas, things we want implemented, things we don't enjoy, but when people keep comparing GW to other games, then something is severly wrong with there logic.
If you like those ideas in that game, then why aren't you playing it? Whether it's got a monthly fee or not, that shouldn't matter, unless you got bored of those games because of the very reasons and ideas that you want to bring over to GW??
Ok, it has good and bad points, and I know some people who rushed through very quickly just to get to the end of the game and say they beat the last mission. Now they are bored because they have done it and don't know what else to do.
I haven't even got close to that part yet. I have 2 characters, one lvl20 and a lvl15. I just enjoy seeing what I can achieve with my characters and what is the best combinations to go with. And before someone says I haven't played other games, I've played games for many years.
I try not to get tied down to one game either and like diversity. I used to be tied down to a job for 13 years, and that got very boring, same shit everyday, so I left and I do other things and enjoy what i do a lot more.
We all have our favourite ideas, things we want implemented, things we don't enjoy, but when people keep comparing GW to other games, then something is severly wrong with there logic.
If you like those ideas in that game, then why aren't you playing it? Whether it's got a monthly fee or not, that shouldn't matter, unless you got bored of those games because of the very reasons and ideas that you want to bring over to GW??
Kebren
I came from a completely PvE background with the exception of a few PvP games I played for a month or so. Aside from that I played Everquest since 99 and played played Everquest 2 before this. When I bought this game I had no idea it was a PvP style game (although the name should have clued me in). I got the game, beat all the missions in a week or so and then found the wonders of tombs.
I tried to go log into EQ/EQ2 after playing Guild Wars since release, but the two just don't compare anymore. Just running from zone to zone pissed me off a great deal in Everquest after playing this game. So screw mindless PvE in typical MMO's, I'd much rather have some Guild Wars than to spend 200 hours creating silk threads or some bull like that.
I tried to go log into EQ/EQ2 after playing Guild Wars since release, but the two just don't compare anymore. Just running from zone to zone pissed me off a great deal in Everquest after playing this game. So screw mindless PvE in typical MMO's, I'd much rather have some Guild Wars than to spend 200 hours creating silk threads or some bull like that.
Indolo
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Plus there's always the option of trying different professions and learning how they play. I know I'd much rather be grouping with people who have at least played a little with other professions, because they have a better idea of group dynamic. I thought I was doing pretty well a couple weeks ago, but since I've played ele, war, and monk far through the PvE side, I can see how much I've improved due to a better understanding of how those classes work.
I don't know. I guess this game is entertaining to me because I'm focused on learning how to play my characters better and evaluating how I do in various teams. Even if I'm running through the same missions and quests over and over, it's different every time due to character/group dynamics. I guess I'm focused on those dynamics rather than the static missions/quests so it doesn't seem as dull to me.
Looking forward to the expansion and have high hopes for what they have in store for us, because I continue to be impressed with how ANet is handling things. Just wish I had a character slot for each primary profession.
sgt.pilcher
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I agree. The game highly focusses on fast pvp play (I think this is the devellopers Starcraft influence
). As for PvE I prefer tracking above missions which are very repititive. Unfortunately some locations can only be accessed by missions and you need the skill points gained by completing them. If the team of devellopers would make it possible to do the whole adventure part by tracking, including randomly generated dungeons with bosses on the route, the PvE part would be much more fun . The missions would become what missions should be: added fun for those who like to do more!But lets not complain: Arenanet is listening carefully and does its best to make this game fun for everyone |
wow are you guys dumb or what? this game is called guild wars, meaning guild vs guild battles, meaning emphasis on pvp and not pve.
you want some ****in' pve, go play one of those endless grinding games like World of Warcraft or Star Wars Galaxies
Ramus
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wow are you guys dumb or what? this game is called guild wars, meaning guild vs guild battles, meaning emphasis on pvp and not pve.
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Funny, in World of Warcraft and SWG we have at least two dozen + options that Guild Wars does not have in Guilds. (Better Guild Ranks, Guild Halls that are useful for other than pvp, guild housing, guild alliances, guild banks, etc) Sooo, not the best example.
So what you are saying is that... Guild vs. Guild (aka guild vs. guild battles, which maybe 25% of the players take place in, or at least seriously take place in) is all of guild wars? I don't get it.
Gbuslayer
its in development dummy, its being worked on read some of thier interviews and the like and you will see that they are considering many of these things just for now they're going for more content(areas) rather than the spiffy stuff
Hey look a wedding! http://www.guildwars.com/events/wedd...a/default.html
(put in your own I ain't no whippin boi
Hey guess what there are banks, leave pre searing you dumb bastard :P
Crafters too omg down by the fire in post searing ascalon . . .
Other than that what do you expect out of a game called guild wars . . . its wars between guilds, thats where the majority of the game is centered around I fail to see how you would fish an opposing guild to death
Hey look a wedding! http://www.guildwars.com/events/wedd...a/default.html
(put in your own I ain't no whippin boi
Hey guess what there are banks, leave pre searing you dumb bastard :P
Crafters too omg down by the fire in post searing ascalon . . .
Other than that what do you expect out of a game called guild wars . . . its wars between guilds, thats where the majority of the game is centered around I fail to see how you would fish an opposing guild to death
BlaineTog
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jmazpub
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fail to see how you would fish an opposing guild to death
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Akilles
first off, i come from the FPS community, the only reason i got guild wars was 2 online friends got it and it was a new game style for me AND (the biggest reason) no monthly fees.
From what i have seen and read so far ArenaNet really listens to the community which is why it let the public beta the thing apparently, so any compaints I am sure will be addressed in the expansion. I promise the lvl 20 cap will be gona as almost 70% of the players are now lvl 20, nothing to get excited over.
PvP is great I guess, my guild has only played a few times there as we want to get all our guys to lvl 20 so as to stand a chance. PvE I am sure they will make more of a community feel. I wish they would allow ppl to enter Pubs and almost have a Sims feel to the interaction between players. would make a fun aspect 4 sure.
This game was in my opinion just the foundation, the expansions should build off that and make it less likely to get bored so easy. I was not a mmorpg person and at times Gw gets boring, but I play like an hour a night.
From what i have seen and read so far ArenaNet really listens to the community which is why it let the public beta the thing apparently, so any compaints I am sure will be addressed in the expansion. I promise the lvl 20 cap will be gona as almost 70% of the players are now lvl 20, nothing to get excited over.
PvP is great I guess, my guild has only played a few times there as we want to get all our guys to lvl 20 so as to stand a chance. PvE I am sure they will make more of a community feel. I wish they would allow ppl to enter Pubs and almost have a Sims feel to the interaction between players. would make a fun aspect 4 sure.
This game was in my opinion just the foundation, the expansions should build off that and make it less likely to get bored so easy. I was not a mmorpg person and at times Gw gets boring, but I play like an hour a night.
Ramus
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its in development dummy, its being worked on read some of thier interviews and the like and you will see that they are considering many of these things just for now they're going for more content(areas) rather than the spiffy stuff
Hey look a wedding! http://www.guildwars.com/events/wedd...a/default.html (put in your own I ain't no whippin boi Hey guess what there are banks, leave pre searing you dumb bastard :P Crafters too omg down by the fire in post searing ascalon . . . Other than that what do you expect out of a game called guild wars . . . its wars between guilds, thats where the majority of the game is centered around I fail to see how you would fish an opposing guild to death |
/sarcasm
Learn how to defend your point without making personal attacks and maybe I will listen.
Slade xTekno
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its in development dummy, its being worked on read some of thier interviews and the like and you will see that they are considering many of these things just for now they're going for more content(areas) rather than the spiffy stuff
Hey look a wedding! http://www.guildwars.com/events/wedd...a/default.html (put in your own I ain't no whippin boi Hey guess what there are banks, leave pre searing you dumb bastard :P Crafters too omg down by the fire in post searing ascalon . . . Other than that what do you expect out of a game called guild wars . . . its wars between guilds, thats where the majority of the game is centered around I fail to see how you would fish an opposing guild to death |
I am one of those who, although grateful to ANet for creating such a game, is starting to get bored. Yes, I am glad that leveling up doesn't take nearly as long as other games. However, one must realize that although leveling may take longer in the those games, there is much more for you to do between levels; they allow you to immerse yourself into the fantasy world around you. The current system of leveling mainly through quests would work in Guild Wars if the storyline were more involving. Sadly, it is not the case, and make quests seem more like chores. This may sound like a joke to most, but I believe the storyline does not catch for me do to the comedic antics of Prince Rurik and the quality of the cutscenes. Prince Rurik's actions bar me from taking the storyline and cutscenes seriously by drawing attention from it with his behavior. The graphics in this game are top-notch, but the fact that the faces of characters don't even show emotion sort of ruins any immersion I attempt.
Even though Guild Wars was intended to be based on PvP doesn't mean that PvE should be neglected. I would be happier if I were playing Campaign Mode because of the storyline and community, not because I need skills for PvP.
mthegreatone
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NotoriousEvil
Yeah, all we need is leatherworking and skinning type things to waste time from actually playing.........
Mina
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Calnaion Blackhawk
but it was meant to be in competition with WoW, while if u didnt have to pay for WoW im sure guild wars wouldnt even be advertised it would be so unpopular, i would like to see and increase in levels, and the ability to have shops, farming, ect ect......
its not all PvP
then why the hell did they put PvE in the game at all then?
its not all PvP
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=HT=Ingram
Well Thats kinda what the pvp and GvG was all about... for the times when it was getting boring with plain questing or missions... As to the rest, if you like that then maybe this is NOT the game for you. this is suppost to be different then the ave MMORPGs, not carbon copies of every other boring one out there... the action is what is the best part of this game... And its not the fault of the designers that you spent every waking moment trying to get back to level 20 and rush through everything in the first week of release. We took our time once it came out cause we did that durring betas to get max exposure to the game we could. now we don't have to be rushed... I have done the game with 2 profession mixes now and unlocked many skills for pvp play... Personally I like learning the different build and how to use em. If your board try mixing things up a bit with other characters... Or helping others by going back for bonus in missions you missed... or quest you skipped... Or just explore... there are several places I have gone recently that have wonderful pickups, and most people never go into these areas... why? because they are dead ends, with extreamly hard enemies in them and no real mission / quest value in the area to draw people too it.
One such place is Kessex Peak... Many in my guild had NEVER been in there at all, yet it has been there since the betas... they have some nice level 22 and 24 creatures to fight, and many gold pickups in the chests. and if you start out from the temple of ages it is one of the few areas you can go into with an 8 member party that early in the game.
Of course there is also the underworld... that is always a fun trip. and great area to get unique items, pets, skills, runes, ect...
Also The Falls is a nice area to venture into for stuff just to go see whats there...
One such place is Kessex Peak... Many in my guild had NEVER been in there at all, yet it has been there since the betas... they have some nice level 22 and 24 creatures to fight, and many gold pickups in the chests. and if you start out from the temple of ages it is one of the few areas you can go into with an 8 member party that early in the game.
Of course there is also the underworld... that is always a fun trip. and great area to get unique items, pets, skills, runes, ect...
Also The Falls is a nice area to venture into for stuff just to go see whats there...
Yabba
i`d gladly pay 20 bucks a month if they`d remove PVE completely so I could stop spending endless hours unlocking all skills, runes and upgrades for my pvp chars.
played daoc for 2,5 years solely for the pvp (lvled 2 chars in that time only, one because i changed server) and Shadowbane 9 months (again only for the pvp).
i just want to have all skills/items/upgrades to be able to make and try out all possible char- and teambuilds (i guess that`s what most of the pvpers want to do) and i really had high hopes in GW that it wouldn`t involve so much pve :/
played daoc for 2,5 years solely for the pvp (lvled 2 chars in that time only, one because i changed server) and Shadowbane 9 months (again only for the pvp).
i just want to have all skills/items/upgrades to be able to make and try out all possible char- and teambuilds (i guess that`s what most of the pvpers want to do) and i really had high hopes in GW that it wouldn`t involve so much pve :/
Akilles
remember though guys, this game is refered to as an MMORPG, so if it is to retain that then there must be more role-playing (ie. building and customizing characters, exploring, and overall freedom.) PvP is a way to expand the games life as any FPS would. For an RPG you have GOT to have tons of options coming to you and know you can always grow your character. We do need more stuff to do than random killing. I still want to see a system that allows more socializm to come in to the game and maybe a real time shop channel that can dictate prices based on rarity and consumer damand, prices set by the developer. Would be cool to have 10 times the amount of armors for each class + I WANNA SEE A NINJA PROFESSION!!!! Imagine a spell called "stealth" and you can walk by enemies in your radar undetected!!!
MIND SPELLS!!! He would be like a cool looking Mesmer/Ranger/Warrior WAHOO!!!
I am sure the majority plays the PvE and I am sure ArenaNet will see this and focus on expanding that more.
I still like this game alot and I NEVER thought I would say that about an mmorpg.
Imagine a spell called "stealth" and you can walk by enemies in your radar undetected!!! MIND SPELLS!!! He would be like a cool looking Mesmer/Ranger/Warrior WAHOO!!!
I am sure the majority plays the PvE and I am sure ArenaNet will see this and focus on expanding that more.
I still like this game alot and I NEVER thought I would say that about an mmorpg.