Is vengence working as intended. I was with a group and the only monk with it. Some of our main tanks were in major trouble and our best one wnet down. I used Vengence to bring them back to save our butts and after 30sec. They were still alive and didnt die.
I thought it rez's them but they will die after 30sec. All the times I have used it. People don't die.
That or I have a cool bug.
Anyone else with any other feedback?
Cheers
Syks
Is Vengence Working as intended ?
Syklone
Varcon
I thought it was 60 seconds?
I may be wrong.
Although if killed when under the effects of vegeance, I don't suffer the death penalty? Is this intended?
I may be wrong.
Although if killed when under the effects of vegeance, I don't suffer the death penalty? Is this intended?
Swarnt Brightstar
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Originally Posted by Varcon
I thought it was 60 seconds?
I may be wrong.
Although if killed when under the effects of vegeance, I don't suffer the death penalty? Is this intended?
completely intentional...
I may be wrong.
Although if killed when under the effects of vegeance, I don't suffer the death penalty? Is this intended?
completely intentional...
deathwearer
i'v been the target of vengence many time, and always died after the timer ( 30 or 60 dont remember )
Aetherfukz
Strangely they don't die whenever I use vengeance on them too...
Vashna
I've had mixed results, sometimes I die and sometimes I don't after the time limit when vengeance is cast on me. I think it's bugged. Rend enchantments will kill me regardless, though.
Teufel Eldritch
I use Vengence myself & I have found that many times ppl do not die after the 30 sec time limit either. I have also bnoticed that whenever this is the case a lot of healing has taken place. Perhaps the massive amounts ofhealing as negated the death?
Siran Dunmorgan
It has been speculated that Divine Intervention cast after Vengeance will negate the death from Vengeance, but I don't know if that's the case in the situations you're describing.
—Siran Dunmorgan
—Siran Dunmorgan
DarrenJasper
Yes, Divine Intervention and I believe Mark of Protection will both save them from death, but if you didn't cast either of those spells then I don't know.
Sausaletus Rex
Protective Spirit and Reversal of Fortune are rumored to as well and if I had to guess I'd say those that things like stacking, say, Defy Pain, Endure Pain, and Fertile Season might too and maybe even Life Bond. Basically, Vengeance works by delivering a huge but hidden burst of damage when it ends, enough that you're guaranteed to die. But there are skills that reduce or deflect damage, such as Divine Intervention and Mark of Protection, and using those lets you escape that death blow and stay alive. And, if that's possible, I'd say it's reasonable to expect that raising your hit points a lot might also let you survive that killing blow when Vengeance fades.
Anyhow, that's just the way Vengeance works. It's not so much a bug as it is a way of exploiting the rules governing it. It's a loophole, one that should probably be closed, but I doubt it's at the top of the developer's priority list - especially because it's been known and used for months now.
Anyhow, that's just the way Vengeance works. It's not so much a bug as it is a way of exploiting the rules governing it. It's a loophole, one that should probably be closed, but I doubt it's at the top of the developer's priority list - especially because it's been known and used for months now.
Xellos
Didn't this encourage the use of more enchantment removals and rend during alpha stages or something? 
I heard about it awhile ago, but thought it either got fixed.
I heard about it awhile ago, but thought it either got fixed.
Aetherfukz
Ah protective spirit that may it be. I always had Lina with me when I vengeance'd and she does protective spirit on everyone usually. So you can only lose 10% health to any one stuff. Which vengeance happens to be one of 
SisterMercy
Probably you shift-clicked to announce that you were using Vengeance and someone later rezzed him, or else someone was rezzing at the same time.
Syklone
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Probably you shift-clicked to announce that you were using Vengeance and someone later rezzed him, or else someone was rezzing at the same time.
Nope, I walked out with a single henchy (Thank you Stefan for being a test subject), let the poor guy get wasted, eaten, killed and then Venganced his butt. And funnily enough, he got up keep fighting and did not die after the 'said' time limit.
Anyone else done any testing on this as currently as it stands, I run around with two rez spells, Rebirth and Vengance. Vengance I only use if the main tank goes down and Rebirth at the end of battle to raise those who I couldn't get to in time.
Anyone else done any testing on this as currently as it stands, I run around with two rez spells, Rebirth and Vengance. Vengance I only use if the main tank goes down and Rebirth at the end of battle to raise those who I couldn't get to in time.
Ollj
Vengenance is bugged!
My vengenanced allies never died today after 30 seconds.
Noone else did anything to them and they noticed no death penalty if diing within 30 seconds.
This bug makes vengenanve WAY too powerfull.
My vengenanced allies never died today after 30 seconds.
Noone else did anything to them and they noticed no death penalty if diing within 30 seconds.
This bug makes vengenanve WAY too powerfull.
DarrenJasper
I wonder if it's the same with Unyielding Aura, I haven't been able to try that spell out yet.
eA-Zaku
I have a question:
Does dying from Vengeance's effect add to your /deaths count?
Thanks in advance.
Does dying from Vengeance's effect add to your /deaths count?
Thanks in advance.
Pharalon
Both Vengeance and Unyielding Aura are currently bugged. All they do atm is res the target at full health and energy. They don't expire, but by the same token you don't get the benefit of no death penalty.
Xellos
So that's confusing me. Vengeance has been said to work in conjunction and without conjunction with other moves. What is the current state? That it's just bugged period?
Syklone
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I have a question:
Does dying from Vengeance's effect add to your /deaths count?
No it doesnt add. SO therefore, if you have a smart Monk, you can go into battle, die and be rezzed with out a death penalty being incurred. Sounds nifty hey :P
Well thats my theory behind the whole matter.
Does dying from Vengeance's effect add to your /deaths count?
No it doesnt add. SO therefore, if you have a smart Monk, you can go into battle, die and be rezzed with out a death penalty being incurred. Sounds nifty hey :P
Well thats my theory behind the whole matter.
Charlatan
Yeah, we fought a GvG battle last night where half the other team carried Vengeance. So the obviously knew it was bugged - and indeed, the rezzed players didn't die after 30 seconds, as they should.
Kindof makes GvG battles pointless if people are going to cheat in this way, at least until it's fixed.
Kindof makes GvG battles pointless if people are going to cheat in this way, at least until it's fixed.
Xellos
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
Yeah, we fought a GvG battle last night where half the other team carried Vengeance. So the obviously knew it was bugged - and indeed, the rezzed players didn't die after 30 seconds, as they should.
Kindof makes GvG battles pointless if people are going to cheat in this way, at least until it's fixed. Vengeance back. Nothing's stopping you from using it. That and if you shatter the 30 second enchantment, I'm pretty sure they still fall right?
Kindof makes GvG battles pointless if people are going to cheat in this way, at least until it's fixed. Vengeance back. Nothing's stopping you from using it. That and if you shatter the 30 second enchantment, I'm pretty sure they still fall right?
Charlatan
I believe the concensus is that the enchantment isn't being placed on people, so there's no enchant to shatter. They just get rezzed, with no death penalty, and don't die after 30 seconds.
As for Vengeancing them back... well, I didn't have the spell loaded, so that wouldn't work. Plus.... you're pretty much saying fight an exploit with an exploit? That kind of behavior doesn't appeal to me, sorry.
As for Vengeancing them back... well, I didn't have the spell loaded, so that wouldn't work.
Plus.... you're pretty much saying fight an exploit with an exploit? That kind of behavior doesn't appeal to me, sorry.
Syklone
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Originally Posted by Xellos
That and if you shatter the 30 second enchantment, I'm pretty sure they still fall right?
Why not test it and come back with the facts. Taking a guess is not a good thing to do 'right' ?
BBrecht
I can distinctly remember two occasions on which I've been revived with Vengeance, and was not enchanted by it, nor did I die after the thirty seconds. Come to think of it, these are the only times that Vengeance has been used on me.
More extensive tests are required, obviously, but every report I've heard is that Vengeance is currently bugged.
More extensive tests are required, obviously, but every report I've heard is that Vengeance is currently bugged.
Leighis Dileas
Yeah Vengeance is definately bugged. It currently does not work as an enchantment, so it can neither be removed/shattered nor does it expire.
And of course more and more people get to know about it by now. Lost in HoH on our initial 1vs1 yesterday because they just kept rezzing people with vengeance - full health, mana and no death penalty when they die again.
On our tombs run today we met two teams who used it. One of them was a guild who shortly afterwards won the HoH - I wonder why ....
This better be fixed soon cause theres already many groups running around using it by now and it is quite obviously ruining PvP gameplay.
~Leighis Dileas
The Wrong Guild [TWG]
And of course more and more people get to know about it by now. Lost in HoH on our initial 1vs1 yesterday because they just kept rezzing people with vengeance - full health, mana and no death penalty when they die again.
On our tombs run today we met two teams who used it. One of them was a guild who shortly afterwards won the HoH - I wonder why ....
This better be fixed soon cause theres already many groups running around using it by now and it is quite obviously ruining PvP gameplay.
~Leighis Dileas
The Wrong Guild [TWG]
Caco-Cola
Yep, ran into this earlier today.
Saw some Koreans using it (surprise surprise) and me and this other guy were telling our team that it was bugged and they didn't die after 30 seconds.
I don't think they believed us, but we still won so I guess it doesn't matter.
But yes it's definately bugged and definately needs fixed.
Saw some Koreans using it (surprise surprise) and me and this other guy were telling our team that it was bugged and they didn't die after 30 seconds.
I don't think they believed us, but we still won so I guess it doesn't matter.
But yes it's definately bugged and definately needs fixed.
DarkAynjil
Yesterday, I re-specced my E/Mo to protection prayers after a Mo/R left our group. I ran Rebirth and Vengeance for a quick-res if a tank or monk fell.... My vengeance never expired, the chars never fell after that (except to having their butts kicked by the other team.) Something is DEFINITELY up with vengeance. That's ok though, A-Net has been pretty quick to address issues and bugs, I'm sure this will be addressed soon as well.
HED
One of my guildmates is reporting that Vengeance works only half of the time. Sometimes Vengeance does work and the rezzed char dies after 30 secs . Sometimes it doesn't work and the rezzed char is still alive after 30 secs and no Divine Intervention
Jia Xu
after going away and trying it, in PvP i have yet to see vengeance fail to kill someone after the thirty seconds without something external being used (reversal of fortune, divine intervention etc.) however, my guildmates insist that occasionally it doesn't attach as an enchantment once the player has been ressurected. This means of course that they won't die after the thirty second timer expires, so more experimentation is required to see why this enchant doesnt attach all the time.
Zorque
I use it in PvE on my monk as the only res on my bar. It has always been a consistant bug for me. I've never had anyone die once after casting it on them. Although once they fix it and someone dies mid-mission they aren't going to be too happy with me, haha.
uigrad
Ok, there was a patch yesterday. Has anyone tried vengeance since the patch?
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XenophonTheElder
I've used Vengeance since the patch. It has been fixed. Still useful, just no longer a full replacement for resurrection (or rebirth).