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Originally Posted by Witt78
If he wants to play Guild Wars that bad, let him go pay the $50 for another licence
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Verry Pissed Off at ncSoft...
C-Tzar
Kokopelli
I just want to know where he pulled the other definition of sodomy that all of us idiots are misunderstanding. What more evidence do you need of the word's definition? It is in the Biblical text as a big no-no, and I'm pretty sure it's listed in the Quran and Tora. I am not some religious zealot here, just trying to point out the word has had a single definition for several thousand years.
I do not find it funny at all. Captian Cornhole or Bunghole Bob, those are amusing. Personally, I hope they start taking a tougher stance on names. While I am hard to offend, I have come across too many names that could easily be deemed offensive.
I do not find it funny at all. Captian Cornhole or Bunghole Bob, those are amusing. Personally, I hope they start taking a tougher stance on names. While I am hard to offend, I have come across too many names that could easily be deemed offensive.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel
nah still think its shady
its either a valid name at creation or not, 'offensive' isnt an evolving thing, its either offensive or its not if it was worthy of getting deleted now, that means it was then...and it didnt, thats anets fault, oh well...move on |
they cant cover every possibility of offensive name
if you were right then we wouldnt still be getting spam even with the best filters they can make
when they conquor spam then you can complain
Teklord
Oy... is it really that hard to find / create a unique and normal name in this world?? I've got four!
Anakin Landrunner
Lord Tyr Anasazi
Vilandra Darkstar
Tess Stormcrow
Sure, I get my names from other places (Star Wars, Andromeda etc) but at least they are real names. As for 'Bawls' and 'God of ...' they totally deserve what they get. They know what they are doing when they input that name. Doesn't matter how much time and effort they put into it (Lvl 1 or Lvl 20), once discovered it should be no second chances and poof (deleted). My opinion, the devs shouldn't even be required to give a warning. What is wrong (and in this case utterly stupid) is still wrong. Simple.
Bottom line: Grow up.
Anakin Landrunner
Lord Tyr Anasazi
Vilandra Darkstar
Tess Stormcrow
Sure, I get my names from other places (Star Wars, Andromeda etc) but at least they are real names. As for 'Bawls' and 'God of ...' they totally deserve what they get. They know what they are doing when they input that name. Doesn't matter how much time and effort they put into it (Lvl 1 or Lvl 20), once discovered it should be no second chances and poof (deleted). My opinion, the devs shouldn't even be required to give a warning. What is wrong (and in this case utterly stupid) is still wrong. Simple.
Bottom line: Grow up.
Yamat
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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel
nah still think its shady
its either a valid name at creation or not, 'offensive' isnt an evolving thing, its either offensive or its not if it was worthy of getting deleted now, that means it was then...and it didnt, thats anets fault, oh well...move on |
The "friend" should quit whining and learn the lesson. Have some respect for those around you.
Nim
I cant believe you people. How can a non vulgar word be offensive, just becuase it has sexualt implications? It should only offensive if it is vulgar, ie. vulgar language. What about a name with the word murder in it (John the Murderer)? Murder is pretty much illegal anywhere and the deffenition is pretty cut and dry, yet the word murder itself is not a vulgar word nor would it be banned. I guess killing is one thing but sexual acts are another in mant simple minds.
But truthfully, the fact that they find the name offensive isnt really the point (although its ironical considering all the female chars in this game are dress and look like they belong on the street corner offering sodomy for $5.00 [not to mention how some dance]), the real issue is allowing a customer to use the name, allowinging him to invest a good chunk of time, then make a overly conservetive (at best) and very subjective decision to ban the name without offering the customer any recourse to rename his char or recover his items/money/skills/etc.??? Any this community isnt outraged.... unbeliveable.
But truthfully, the fact that they find the name offensive isnt really the point (although its ironical considering all the female chars in this game are dress and look like they belong on the street corner offering sodomy for $5.00 [not to mention how some dance]), the real issue is allowing a customer to use the name, allowinging him to invest a good chunk of time, then make a overly conservetive (at best) and very subjective decision to ban the name without offering the customer any recourse to rename his char or recover his items/money/skills/etc.??? Any this community isnt outraged.... unbeliveable.
Keesa
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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel
nah still think its shady
its either a valid name at creation or not, 'offensive' isnt an evolving thing, its either offensive or its not if it was worthy of getting deleted now, that means it was then...and it didnt, thats anets fault, oh well...move on as for someone saying they need to review and they just got to him...hes a BWE char and they JUST got to him?! I should make an offensive character name (but only offensive in small countries) and see how long it takes them to sort it out.... so now we have the 'evolving name process' in which anet randomly determines whats offensive and not offensive this month i hope you guys see what i'm getting at here |
It just took time to find someone willing to say, "This is so repugnant to me that I am impelled to report it." And that is most certainly not A.net's fault.
Lasher Dragon
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Originally Posted by Nim
I cant believe you people. How can a non vulgar word be offensive, just becuase it has sexualt implications? It should only offensive if it is vulgar, ie. vulgar language. What about a name with the word murder in it (John the Murderer)? Murder is pretty much illegal anywhere and the deffenition is pretty cut and dry, yet the word murder itself is not a vulgar word nor would it be banned. I guess killing is one thing but sexual acts are another in mant simple minds.
But truthfully, the fact that they find the name offensive isnt really the point (although its ironical considering all the female chars in this game are dress and look like they belong on the street corner offering sodomy for $5.00 [not to mention how some dance]), the real issue is allowing a customer to use the name, allowinging him to invest a good chunk of time, then make a overly conservetive (at best) and very subjective decision to ban the name without offering the customer any recourse to rename his char or recover his items/money/skills/etc.??? Any this community isnt outraged.... unbeliveable. |
Nim
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Originally Posted by Teklord
Bottom line: Grow up.
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Kokopelli
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Originally Posted by Nim
I cant believe you people. How can a non vulgar word be offensive, just becuase it has sexualt implications? It should only offensive if it is vulgar, ie. vulgar language. What about a name with the word murder in it (John the Murderer)? Murder is pretty much illegal anywhere and the deffenition is pretty cut and dry, yet the word murder itself is not a vulgar word nor would it be banned. I guess killing is one thing but sexual acts are another in mant simple minds.
But truthfully, the fact that they find the name offensive isnt really the point (although its ironical considering all the female chars in this game are dress and look like they belong on the street corner offering sodomy for $5.00 [not to mention how some dance]), the real issue is allowing a customer to use the name, allowinging him to invest a good chunk of time, then make a overly conservetive (at best) and very subjective decision to ban the name without offering the customer any recourse to rename his char or recover his items/money/skills/etc.??? Any this community isnt outraged.... unbeliveable. |
Names used throughout history, Bloody Mary, Vlad the Impaler while received from causing destruction are not anywhere near as offensive as God of Sodomy.
PieXags
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Originally Posted by Nim
I cant believe you people. How can a non vulgar word be offensive, just becuase it has sexualt implications?
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Hahaha, oh...man. I got a good laugh off of that one. Did you even read what you wrote out? Or do you just live in a place where everything is acceptable no matter what it's referring to? Many many many insults are simply sexual terms in themselves, they aren't swears but you can sure as hell bet that people find them highly offensive, I'd state a few examples here, but that might get ME banned.
For the last time, they didn't just ALLOW him to have the name, is it possible that they just never got word of it until now? Yeah, I'd say that it is.
Caco-Cola
I wonder if Sadam Hussein is blocked.
Adolf Hitler?
Osama Bin Laden?
Jesus? God? Jesus God?
But yah the line has to be drawn somewhere and your friend was on the wrong side of said line.
Adolf Hitler?
Osama Bin Laden?
Jesus? God? Jesus God?
But yah the line has to be drawn somewhere and your friend was on the wrong side of said line.
Yamat
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Originally Posted by Nim
I guess that's the problem, I am an adult and I am wrong expecting the community to think like adults.
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It's about respect for your fellow gamers.
Keesa
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Originally Posted by Nim
I guess that's the problem, I am an adult and I am wrong expecting the community to think like adults.
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Dirkiess
Ok, it was offensive to some and I don't really care what name he had. I have seen some names in game that I know are offensive, but I don't report them and sometimes they are very well thought out. 
What concerns me is how many people actually complained about the name?
In my experience, you only have to have a few people complain, whine, moan about something trivial, i.e. I find that TV program offensive because that woman is showing her boobs, I want you to ban it. Err, don't bloody watch it then, if you don't like it.
It seems the minority of people are very controlling when it comes to the majority of others out there. I just think in some cases it shows that people don't have open minds or can't think for themselves.
His friend was opening himself up to being banned especially with the recent announcement that anything offensive could and will be banned if deemed necessary, but how much time and effort did this guy put into helping Anet/NCsoft in the BWE events in improving there game to help get there game out to the mass markets in a marketable form to have all these whiners come along and spoil it for hard core gamers, and those who want to just have fun, just because one person if offended by something so small.
Sticks and Stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Personally, I find it funny in both ways. The name and because he got banned, but to not even get a warning, well, that just sucks of not very decent customer commitment.
With all the swearing that goes on in these forums, I'm surprised someone hasn't come along and asked most of us to be banned, because there is a lot of it, but I'm strong enough to not give a flying f&*k.
Just my 2 cents to the minority of whiners out there.
What concerns me is how many people actually complained about the name?
In my experience, you only have to have a few people complain, whine, moan about something trivial, i.e. I find that TV program offensive because that woman is showing her boobs, I want you to ban it. Err, don't bloody watch it then, if you don't like it.
It seems the minority of people are very controlling when it comes to the majority of others out there. I just think in some cases it shows that people don't have open minds or can't think for themselves.
His friend was opening himself up to being banned especially with the recent announcement that anything offensive could and will be banned if deemed necessary, but how much time and effort did this guy put into helping Anet/NCsoft in the BWE events in improving there game to help get there game out to the mass markets in a marketable form to have all these whiners come along and spoil it for hard core gamers, and those who want to just have fun, just because one person if offended by something so small.
Sticks and Stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Personally, I find it funny in both ways. The name and because he got banned, but to not even get a warning, well, that just sucks of not very decent customer commitment.
With all the swearing that goes on in these forums, I'm surprised someone hasn't come along and asked most of us to be banned, because there is a lot of it, but I'm strong enough to not give a flying f&*k.
Just my 2 cents to the minority of whiners out there.
Kokopelli
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Originally Posted by Keesa
And in what way is the community failing to meet your expectation?
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Only thing I see, is possibly my ranger getting banned.. Kokius Peylio. I say that, because the Koko in my ID has tripped language filters in the past for c**k.
Nim
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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon
Right, so by that logic Adolf Jewkilling Hatemonger is perfectly fine, as it has no vulgarity in it....
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Nim
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Originally Posted by Dirkiess
Ok, it was offensive to some and I don't really care what name he had. I have seen some names in game that I know are offensive, but I don't report them and sometimes they are very well thought out.
What concerns me is how many people actually complained about the name? In my experience, you only have to have a few people complain, whine, moan about something trivial, i.e. I find that TV program offensive because that woman is showing her boobs, I want you to ban it. Err, don't bloody watch it then, if you don't like it. It seems the minority of people are very controlling when it comes to the majority of others out there. I just think in some cases it shows that people don't have open minds or can't think for themselves. His friend was opening himself up to being banned especially with the recent announcement that anything offensive could and will be banned if deemed necessary, but how much time and effort did this guy put into helping Anet/NCsoft in the BWE events in improving there game to help get there game out to the mass markets in a marketable form to have all these whiners come along and spoil it for hard core gamers, and those who want to just have fun, just because one person if offended by something so small. Sticks and Stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Personally, I find it funny in both ways. The name and because he got banned, but to not even get a warning, well, that just sucks of not very decent customer commitment. With all the swearing that goes on in these forums, I'm surprised someone hasn't come along and asked most of us to be banned, because there is a lot of it, but I'm strong enough to not give a flying f&*k. Just my 2 cents to the minority of whiners out there. |
PieXags
...not really man.
Bueno Star
The funny thing is that we are all ignoring the simple truth (that teklord already so cleverly pointed out)... when he picked that name, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING!
No person makes a character named "God of Sodomy" without that inward snicker when he presses the "create" button. I would love to hear HIS justification behind the name. "Well, in ancient cultures... blah blah blah"... thats BULL. He made it to get a reaction out of people when they read it. And guess what- he got it.
No person makes a character named "God of Sodomy" without that inward snicker when he presses the "create" button. I would love to hear HIS justification behind the name. "Well, in ancient cultures... blah blah blah"... thats BULL. He made it to get a reaction out of people when they read it. And guess what- he got it.
Keesa
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Originally Posted by Nim
No that would be offensive to most because it implies antisimitism (similar to racism, but since "jew" is not a race, racism would be incorrect term), far from my example.
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Anti-religion is anti-religion.
Chuck Wagon
I think Nim means "Adult Thinking" as in Adult Entertainment.
You're deluded if you don't understand why the name was offensive.
He (you?) read (should have anyway) the TOS when he (you?) set up his (your?) account. He (you?) clicked in that little "[ ] I agree" check box.
What can I say?
Got what was coming . . .
You're deluded if you don't understand why the name was offensive.
He (you?) read (should have anyway) the TOS when he (you?) set up his (your?) account. He (you?) clicked in that little "[ ] I agree" check box.
What can I say?
Got what was coming . . .
Sting
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
and exactly how do YOU define Sodomy so that it isn't an offensive word?
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. Although it might be something in the TOA's naming violations.If he had the name since Beta they should allow him to make a name change, they could do it for him but changing it in the data base or at least give him a generic name so he could get his stuff.
CtrlAltDel
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Originally Posted by Yamat
There wasn't a naming policy in beta.. probably because it was, erm... beta! You don't release EULA's etc until you go live.. there's more important things to deal with--they were spending all day every day reading /bug reports!
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Originally Posted by Keesa
Actually, you're right. "Offensive" isn't an evolving thing, per se. The name was offensive upon creation to somebody somewhere.
It just took time to find someone willing to say, "This is so repugnant to me that I am impelled to report it." And that is most certainly not A.net's fault. |
I'm not saying if its offensive or not, what I'm citing is the way anet handled the situation, from BWE to the deletion of the character, thats the part that jumps out at me.
Seriously do you all sit at your computer and report 'offensive names'? Nobody makes you play with them, stay in the same town with them, or even read or look at them.
Nim
Most of you are missing the point and starting a argument over what is and isnt offensive and that's futile, everyone has different views. Clearly they found the name offensive and made a decision to not allow the name. In my opinion the name, because of it being sexual in nature but not vulgar, puts it in a gray area at worse. ncsoft, because of the EULA has the right to ban what ever they want, but, my whole point is, its a very conservitive decision, the name has been use on many games prior, and being that they are more conservetive than others in thier policies, they should have made arrangements to offer a name change prior or warned that they intended to be more conservetive in their naming policies.
kirab
It's too much of a gray area, I don't believe that ncsoft has the right to say that "God of Sodomy" (who exactly is it offending?) is offensive, and therefore he should just be able to change his name.
If the name was something else, like let's say, "Hitler Pwnz", then yes, he should get permanently banned.
If the name was something else, like let's say, "Hitler Pwnz", then yes, he should get permanently banned.
Keesa
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So then this issue should have been met head on prior to the release, not a month afterwards.
Yes that is part what I'm saying, but this character was in anet's system for quite some time before they go around to 'slapping him on the wrists' I'm not saying if its offensive or not, what I'm citing is the way anet handled the situation, from BWE to the deletion of the character, thats the part that jumps out at me. Seriously do you all sit at your computer and report 'offensive names'? Nobody makes you play with them, stay in the same town with them, or even read or look at them. |
No, it has to be something hateful to the community at large--ie., racist or mysogynistic--for me to consider reporting it, and then only if it's a game without an NC17 rating. If children aren't supposed to be playing the game, I expect their parents to keep them from doing so, but if that rating is not NC17, I'm going to be part of the solution and not the problem.
Madjik
I dont honestly belive nim's upset about the ban so much as the ban without a chance to redeem.
This friends been playing since the beta world events? Thats alot of work he had on that account, and now its gone. No chance to rename his char and keep all that work. Flushed down the toilet like a dead fish. So tell me, if the rest of you created a character with a name you didnt belive was offensive, how upset would you be if you got on and found that it was banned with no chance what~so~ever to rename the character to somthing a little less vulgar stripping you of months of play?
I wouldnt be too happy thats for sure, and as a personal opinion I dont belive thats very good customer service. Now lets say he got 2 or 3 strikes (seriously if he named a character somthing offensive 2 or 3 times in a row he's obviously doing it to annoy someone). Wouldnt this be a little more fair to the amount of time and effort he put on the character?
This friends been playing since the beta world events? Thats alot of work he had on that account, and now its gone. No chance to rename his char and keep all that work. Flushed down the toilet like a dead fish. So tell me, if the rest of you created a character with a name you didnt belive was offensive, how upset would you be if you got on and found that it was banned with no chance what~so~ever to rename the character to somthing a little less vulgar stripping you of months of play?
I wouldnt be too happy thats for sure, and as a personal opinion I dont belive thats very good customer service. Now lets say he got 2 or 3 strikes (seriously if he named a character somthing offensive 2 or 3 times in a row he's obviously doing it to annoy someone). Wouldnt this be a little more fair to the amount of time and effort he put on the character?
C-Tzar
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Most of you are missing the point...
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der kur
(a) Eligibility. Accounts are available only to adult individuals 18 years of age or older.
Your kids shouldn't be playing a game meant for adults. Hell, I doubt any child could even understand how to play this game, other than stripping down their character and doing /dance. And the rest of you that complain about offensiveness should turn off GW now and go play some kiddy games where everything is perfect and the vulgar corruption of the "uncivilized" world cannot pass into your brain. Might as well turn off your tvs, burn all your books, filter the hell out of your internet because OFFENSIVENESS is EVERYWHERE! I think the people that report offensive names should be the ones that get banned for being little babies. Your suppose to be an adult, why not act like it.
And so what if he had that so called offensive name to you, you may see it what for maybe 2 seconds before you leave the city for your next quest/mission? Get over it you Bible Thumping Sissies.
Your kids shouldn't be playing a game meant for adults. Hell, I doubt any child could even understand how to play this game, other than stripping down their character and doing /dance. And the rest of you that complain about offensiveness should turn off GW now and go play some kiddy games where everything is perfect and the vulgar corruption of the "uncivilized" world cannot pass into your brain. Might as well turn off your tvs, burn all your books, filter the hell out of your internet because OFFENSIVENESS is EVERYWHERE! I think the people that report offensive names should be the ones that get banned for being little babies. Your suppose to be an adult, why not act like it.
And so what if he had that so called offensive name to you, you may see it what for maybe 2 seconds before you leave the city for your next quest/mission? Get over it you Bible Thumping Sissies.
C-Tzar
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Originally Posted by Madjik
...if the rest of you created a character with a name you didnt belive was offensive...
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Doctor Anomalo
and i was going to make a ranger beast master with the name: bestiality master.
what a loss.
what a loss.
Nim
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Originally Posted by Keesa
Not far at all. Anti-Semitism by your definition is anti-religion. "God of Sodomy" implies a religious connection to anal, bestial, or forced sexual activity. For monotheistic people, this is anti-monotheism. For many polytheistic people who accept the last definition of sodomy, this is still offensive as it implies that a deity would be connected to what is perceived by the majority of adults in the world to be immoral.
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No... being offended by a name becasue it has religous connection is not the same as be antisemitic which refers to hatred or distain for a specific group of people of a certain religion... and the semantics are getting foolish.
antisemitism and irrevrance is not the same thing.
Madjik
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Originally Posted by C-Tzar
And this is where your entire argument falls apart. Give me a break.
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Take it or leave it thats up to you. I dont really care either way.
and once again, the offensiveness of the name doesnt matter with the point I was making.
Keesa
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Originally Posted by Nim
No... being offended by a name becasue it has religous connection is not the same as be antisemitic which refers to hatred or distain for a specific group of people of a certain religion... and the semantics are getting foolish.
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Teklord
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Nim
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Originally Posted by Doctor Anomalo
and i was going to make a ranger beast master with the name: bestiality master.
what a loss. |
C-Tzar
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Originally Posted by Madjik
It wasnt exactly an argument friend. mearly a statement, if you dont agree with it fine. I've said what i needed to say and beyond this post I wont say more.
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Dirkiess
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Originally Posted by Chuck Wagon
I think Nim means "Adult Thinking" as in Adult Entertainment.
You're deluded if you don't understand why the name was offensive. He (you?) read (should have anyway) the TOS when he (you?) set up his (your?) account. He (you?) clicked in that little "[ ] I agree" check box. What can I say? Got what was coming . . . |
Here come the feminists in this camp ready to ban him on the basis of being sexist.
Nim
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Originally Posted by Teklord
Picking names based on words or topics that modern society would consider controversial is a recipe for disaster. Sooner or later the pot will boil over.
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