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What graphic card should i buy invidia or ATI and wich card. Dont have the very much money (350 Euro) i just whant a good card so i can play very dood GW.

Algren Cole

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08 Jun 2005 at 16:10 - 2

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Originally Posted by freejet

What graphic card should i buy invidia or ATI and wich card. Dont have the very much money (350 Euro) i just whant a good card so i can play very dood GW.

isn't 350 Euro roughly 430-something American Dollars???

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08 Jun 2005 at 16:47 - 3

If you're looking for the best value graphics card (or "more bang for the buck"), you can get an Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for between €170 and €200. It will run Guild Wars, Half Life 2, and most other games in maximum detail in high resolutions (1280x1024, 1600x1200, and beyond apparently).

You could also get one of the last generation cards. It's roughly €340 for a cheap 6800GT or X800Pro, but they wouldn't offer much increase in performance in current games anyway over a 6600GT.

Edit: As for the Nvidia vs. ATI issue, I can honestly say right now without bias or prejudice, that the only ATI card currently on the market to beat Nvidia cards is the Radeon X850XT-PE. Unfortunately, that's almost €500 at the moment. Stick with Nvidia until current cards drop in price.

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08 Jun 2005 at 17:07 - 4

The one thing ati handles better than nVidia is anti- aliasing. Pound for pound, all things being ewqual such as memory and clock speed, nVidia 'tends' to outperform ati.
except when it comes to anti-aliasing. GW has such well done gfx that anti-aliasing can be turned off, and you would need a magnifying glass or a 50 inch monitor to see any difference between on/off.
So, if you go with an nVidia card, turn anti-aliasing off.

Note: None of the above is scientific fact, merely the observations gathered from a large group of opinions in from power users in AW.

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08 Jun 2005 at 17:53 - 5

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Originally Posted by AW Trespasser

The one thing ati handles better than nVidia is anti- aliasing. Pound for pound, all things being ewqual such as memory and clock speed, nVidia 'tends' to outperform ati.
except when it comes to anti-aliasing. GW has such well done gfx that anti-aliasing can be turned off, and you would need a magnifying glass or a 50 inch monitor to see any difference between on/off.
So, if you go with an nVidia card, turn anti-aliasing off.

Sorry, but this is only half correct. Antialiasing looks better on ATI cards in this game, yes, but only marginally. This is because Guild Wars is an ATI GITG (Get In The Game) title.

Look at the antialiasing in an Nvidia TWIMTBP (The Way It's Meant To Be Played) title and you'll say the opposite, but again, the difference is marginal. Telling him to "turn off AA on Nvidia" is absurd, as it still looks so damn good.

Either way, the very slight difference in antialiasing quality is not enough to justify the difference in performance. The X850 XT PE is the only ATI X-Series card to outperform Nvidia Geforce6 series cards, and even then it's because the X850 XT PE doesn't even have an Nvidia counterpart and costs over €500, far outside the opening poster's budget.

Simply put, the best card for his money is either a 6600GT or 6800GT, depending on how much he's willing to spend. Period. This is a non-biased and non-prejudgemental piece of advice. The 6600GT costs far less than his budget, the 6800GT costs around his budget, and both far out-perform their ATI counterparts (the ATI Radeon X700 Pro and X800 Pro respectively.)

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Originally Posted by AW Trespasser

Note: None of the above is scientific fact, merely the observations gathered from a large group of opinions in from power users in AW.

Note: The above (above the quote

) is scientific fact, as proven in many (many) benchmarks and tests, and the personal unbiased experiences of myself, who has used almost all the Radeon X*** and Geforce6 graphics cards at one time or another.

Algren Cole

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08 Jun 2005 at 18:24 - 6

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Sorry, but this is only half correct. Antialiasing looks better on ATI cards in this game, yes, but only marginally. This is because Guild Wars is an ATI GITG (Get In The Game) title.

Look at the antialiasing in an Nvidia TWIMTBP (The Way It's Meant To Be Played) title and you'll say the opposite, but again, the difference is marginal. Telling him to "turn off AA on Nvidia" is absurd, as it still looks so damn good.

Either way, the very slight difference in antialiasing quality is not enough to justify the difference in performance. The X850 XT PE is the only ATI X-Series card to outperform Nvidia Geforce6 series cards, and even then it's because the X850 XT PE doesn't even have an Nvidia counterpart and costs over €500, far outside the opening poster's budget.

Simply put, the best card for his money is either a 6600GT or 6800GT, depending on how much he's willing to spend. Period. This is a non-biased and non-prejudgemental piece of advice. The 6600GT costs far less than his budget, the 6800GT costs around his budget, and both far out-perform their ATI counterparts (the ATI Radeon X700 Pro and X800 Pro respectively.)

Note: The above (above the quote

) is scientific fact, as proven in many (many) benchmarks and tests, and the personal unbiased experiences of myself, who has used almost all the Radeon X*** and Geforce6 graphics cards at one time or another.

don't joke with these kids. nVidia cards are better than ATI cards....and always have been.

p.s. even on my 5800GT OC there is no difference between AA on and off....he can turn it off and not lose any quality at all. the difference between AA on and AA off means I can run at 1600x1200 instead of 1024x768...

P.S. if my conversion was correct on the dollar amounts you have about 430 american dollars to spend???

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143025

purchase that card. it'll make you wet yourself

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08 Jun 2005 at 18:39 - 7

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

don't joke with these kids. nVidia cards are better than ATI cards....and always have been.

Nah, I love both ATI and Nvidia equally. I just know that the Nvidia Geforce 6 series outperforms the ATI Radeon X*** series by far, and for better value for money.

ATI is only the better solution when you get down into the budget cards, I'd choose a Radeon 9*** over a GeforceFX any day of the week.

PS. I use a Geforce 6600GT in this system and run Guild Wars in 1280x960 with 4x AA and 8x AF (forced). Looks perfect. The card can handle 1600x1200 with 4x AA and 8x AF but the buttons and text look way too small for me to cope with.

PPS. To the original poster: The card Algren Cole suggested (BFG Nvidia Geforce 6800GT) is probably the best card in your price range, and is a damn fine card, but consider that you could probably get the BFG Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for a lot less and get the same performance in many games.

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Nah, I love both ATI and Nvidia equally. I just know that the Nvidia Geforce 6 series outperforms the ATI Radeon X*** series by far, and for better value for money.

ATI is only the better solution when you get down into the budget cards, I'd choose a Radeon 9*** over a GeforceFX any day of the week.

PS. I use a Geforce 6600GT in this system and run Guild Wars in 1280x960 with 4x AA and 8x AF (forced). Looks perfect. The card can handle 1600x1200 with 4x AA and 8x AF but the buttons and text look way too small for me to cope with.

PPS. To the original poster: The card Algren Cole suggested (BFG Nvidia Geforce 6800GT) is probably the best card in your price range, and is a damn fine card, but consider that you could probably get the BFG Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for a lot less and get the same performance in many games.

Let me tell you about the BFG 6600gt! After some uber noob stupidity on my part. I wiped the old drivers booted the new ones and this card ROCKS.

Running at 553mhz on chip and 1010mhz memory and performance 3D and it never gets hotter than 78.

That's running guild wars at 1280x1024 with max visuals. Oh my gosd what a card. Counterstrike source runs 1280x1024 at 88.9 FPS.
Not to sound like a fanboy but for the money $220 on newegg. You cant get a better factory overclocked card with a real lifetime warranty.

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08 Jun 2005 at 19:45 - 9

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Originally Posted by Tyil Thunder Arrow

Let me tell you about the BFG 6600gt! After some uber noob stupidity on my part. I wiped the old drivers booted the new ones and this card ROCKS.

Running at 553mhz on chip and 1010mhz memory and performance 3D and it never gets hotter than 78.

That's running guild wars at 1280x1024 with max visuals. Oh my gosd what a card. Counterstrike source runs 1280x1024 at 88.9 FPS.
Not to sound like a fanboy but for the money $220 on newegg. You cant get a better factory overclocked card with a real lifetime warranty.

You forgot to mention that you actually downgraded from a 6800. That alone makes a bold statement about the power of the dark si... I mean, the 6600GT.

And I forgot to mention that I pull almost 8500 in 3DMark03 with stock cooling and only a slight overclock, higher than quite a number of 6800 users.

Don't mistake me to mean the 6800GT though, the GT models are always quite a lot more powerful than the vanilla models, but a 6600GT being better than a vanilla 6800 is something I never expected when I bought it.

Algren Cole

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08 Jun 2005 at 20:18 - 10

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Nah, I love both ATI and Nvidia equally. I just know that the Nvidia Geforce 6 series outperforms the ATI Radeon X*** series by far, and for better value for money.

ATI is only the better solution when you get down into the budget cards, I'd choose a Radeon 9*** over a GeforceFX any day of the week.

PS. I use a Geforce 6600GT in this system and run Guild Wars in 1280x960 with 4x AA and 8x AF (forced). Looks perfect. The card can handle 1600x1200 with 4x AA and 8x AF but the buttons and text look way too small for me to cope with.

PPS. To the original poster: The card Algren Cole suggested (BFG Nvidia Geforce 6800GT) is probably the best card in your price range, and is a damn fine card, but consider that you could probably get the BFG Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for a lot less and get the same performance in many games.

he said he had the money...if it was me I'd get a 6600GT...hell im still using a 5800GT and love it. I used to use MSI and ASUS cards solely....I bought this BFG 5800GT to replace my ATI Radeon 9200 cuz it was a piece of crap. The 5800GT cost me 100 bucks and it's an amazing card for what I need. I'll definately be buying another BFG card.

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08 Jun 2005 at 20:25 - 11

There should not be an ATI vs. Nvidia debate here. I recently picked up a BFG 6600GT OC. The only reason I went with Nvidia is because their Linux drivers are a lot better than ATI.

I have to say that the 6600GT OC is a good card, but my other system has a ATI 9800 Pro. I have owned 2 9800 Pro's, a 9000 Pro, 7500, and the ATI Radeon 64MB card. I recently gave my friend the original Radeon 64MB card. My 7500 is in my FreeBSD server and the 9000 pro just got taken out of my other computer to be replaced by the 9800 pro when I upgraded my system to the 6600GT OC. My father in law has the other 9800 Pro.

The choice is up to you. The 6600GT OC is the best "bang for your buck" card. Nothing wrong with either company though if you ask me.

Algren Cole

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08 Jun 2005 at 20:33 - 12

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Originally Posted by EcPercy

There should not be an ATI vs. Nvidia debate here. I recently picked up a BFG 6600GT OC. The only reason I went with Nvidia is because their Linux drivers are a lot better than ATI.

I have to say that the 6600GT OC is a good card, but my other system has a ATI 9800 Pro. I have owned 2 9800 Pro's, a 9000 Pro, 7500, and the ATI Radeon 64MB card. I recently gave my friend the original Radeon 64MB card. My 7500 is in my FreeBSD server and the 9000 pro just got taken out of my other computer to be replaced by the 9800 pro when I upgraded my system to the 6600GT OC. My father in law has the other 9800 Pro.

The choice is up to you. The 6600GT OC is the best "bang for your buck" card. Nothing wrong with either company though if you ask me.

ATI's drivers are notoriously bad. I haven't used Windows in years so I don't know if they've gotten any better for that OS...but the linux community refuses to support ATI.

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08 Jun 2005 at 21:05 - 13

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Originally Posted by EcPercy

The choice is up to you. The 6600GT OC is the best "bang for your buck" card. Nothing wrong with either company though if you ask me.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with either company, both ATI and Nvidia are amazing companies who are making revolutionary changes in graphics almost every year, and I buy cards by both companies, so I cannot be called a fanboy. However, the fact remains, that when it comes to newer graphics cards (Geforce 6*** / Radeon X***) Nvidia simply make the superior card.

For the price range he has, I would say that the best graphics card he can buy for the money would be the Geforce 6800GT.
Standard Leadtek 256mB Geforce 6800GT = €340
Pre-Overclocked BFG 256mB Geforce 6800GT = €400

However, if he wishes to save a little money and still get excellent performance, he has the Geforce 6600GT as a secondary option.
Standard Leadtek 128mB Geforce 6600GT = €200
Pre-Overclocked BFG 128mB Geforce 6600GT = €240

The options are pretty much limitless.

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08 Jun 2005 at 21:11 - 14

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Originally Posted by AW Trespasser

The one thing ati handles better than nVidia is anti- aliasing. Pound for pound, all things being ewqual such as memory and clock speed, nVidia 'tends' to outperform ati.
except when it comes to anti-aliasing. GW has such well done gfx that anti-aliasing can be turned off, and you would need a magnifying glass or a 50 inch monitor to see any difference between on/off.
So, if you go with an nVidia card, turn anti-aliasing off.

Note: None of the above is scientific fact, merely the observations gathered from a large group of opinions in from power users in AW.

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08 Jun 2005 at 21:50 - 15

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What is anti-aliasing?

Antialiasing is a technique used by a graphics processor to create the illusion that the jaggies you see on screen around the outside of an object become smooth. It makes games look softer and more realistic, rather than blocky/jaggy.

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08 Jun 2005 at 22:35 - 16

ATI pwns Nvidia imo, every single card ive had from Nvidia did not work as well as a ATI card, it gives sharper grafs, and better anti-alailising. You may disagree, but in my personal experience ati is better then nvidia.

Its not the size of the hammer that counts, its how you wield it

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(and btw im having a ati radeon 9700 at 1280*1024 85 hrtz everything max including anti-alaising and it runs smooth)

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08 Jun 2005 at 22:48 - 17

which cards did you have from Nvidia and what were the mem of the card? AGP or PCI?

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08 Jun 2005 at 23:02 - 18

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

don't joke with these kids. nVidia cards are better than ATI cards....and always have been.

So, what happened during those 9700 days? Exactly. They leap frog each other, and it only means that us, the consumers, win in the end. The whole "who has better AA or AF" is complete nonsense and only fuels fanboy fires. I own both an ATI GPU (9800 Pro) and an Nvidia (6800GT) and the image quality difference is nonexistant. I can post up screenshots from both and we can test these theories if you don't believe that they're as equal as equal can get. The only difference in the AA between the two is actually the rotational grid and which side of an object receives the most of the AA.

The best bang for the buck on the market is definitely a 6800GT. For just playing Guild Wars, I'd possibly go with a 6600GT for now, then you can upgrade as soon as the refresh occurs (ATI's r520 and Nvidia's G70), find out which is the better card - or see the higher cards' price drop - and not lose that much money in the outcome.

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08 Jun 2005 at 23:13 - 19

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

You forgot to mention that you actually downgraded from a 6800. That alone makes a bold statement about the power of the dark si... I mean, the 6600GT.

And I forgot to mention that I pull almost 8500 in 3DMark03 with stock cooling and only a slight overclock, higher than quite a number of 6800 users.

Don't mistake me to mean the 6800GT though, the GT models are always quite a lot more powerful than the vanilla models, but a 6600GT being better than a vanilla 6800 is something I never expected when I bought it.

I crack out 12577 in 3dMark03 and thats with the official drivers so I reckon I could get better with a 75.10 or whatever the latest one is.

All on stock cooling.

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08 Jun 2005 at 23:18 - 20

Speaking from experience, I've owned both of these products:

e-VGA GeForce 6800GT (256MB GDDR3)
and
ATi Radeon X800 Pro (256MB GDDR3)

They're both supposed to be cards of the same rank. And while I did enjoy the 6800GT...I'll be honest when I say it's a 'piece' by comparison to the X800 Pro.

I'd only had the 6800GT 3 months when the card's life was up. It literally cooked itself. No overclocking...and with 6 casefans in the case, air circulation isn't a problem. They're notoriously hot, even at idle temperatures. Anyway...I took the card back to the store, being that I'd kept the receipt and the box. They offered to exchange it for another card that worked of the same model. Since I'd had rather bad luck with that card...I wasn't exactly ready to get another POS...only to have to replace it again 3 months down the road. Since the "store credit" applied...and the X800Pro was the same price...I gave ATi a shot.

Was an immediate improvement over the 6800GT. And until nVidia pulls their heads from their rear ends...I won't buy another one of their cards.

Everyone's got their opinion. Mine would have to be ATi at the moment. It's just plainly better made. (I mean FFS, the ATi Logo is on the Guild Wars box...which card do YOU think Guild Wars is probably optimized for?)

-Wired.

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Originally Posted by Wiredzero

Speaking from experience, I've owned both of these products:

e-VGA GeForce 6800GT (256MB GDDR3)
and
ATi Radeon X800 Pro (256MB GDDR3)

They're both supposed to be cards of the same rank. And while I did enjoy the 6800GT...I'll be honest when I say it's a 'piece' by comparison to the X800 Pro.

I'd only had the 6800GT 3 months when the card's life was up. It literally cooked itself. No overclocking...and with 6 casefans in the case, air circulation isn't a problem. They're notoriously hot, even at idle temperatures. Anyway...I took the card back to the store, being that I'd kept the receipt and the box. They offered to exchange it for another card that worked of the same model. Since I'd had rather bad luck with that card...I wasn't exactly ready to get another POS...only to have to replace it again 3 months down the road. Since the "store credit" applied...and the X800Pro was the same price...I gave ATi a shot.

Was an immediate improvement over the 6800GT. And until nVidia pulls their heads from their rear ends...I won't buy another one of their cards.

Everyone's got their opinion. Mine would have to be ATi at the moment. It's just plainly better made. (I mean FFS, the ATi Logo is on the Guild Wars box...which card do YOU think Guild Wars is probably optimized for?)

-Wired.

So, because of one faulty card that makes all 6800GT's bad? Seriously. I don't think its Nvidia thats in need of a head pulling if you truly believe that. Buy a BFG 6800GT OC card, true lifetime warranty and is more powerful than any X800 Pro on the market.

Far Cry was a TWIMTBP game, and the x800 XT PE's outperformed 6800 Ultras. In other words, just because ATI dished out money for advertising doesn't magically make their cards run the game better.

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09 Jun 2005 at 01:20 - 22

Principa, unless I am reading something wrong, we are in agreement

In GW, Anti-aliasing doesnt mean much... seems we agree on that...

nVidia beats 'similar' ati cards... seems we agree on that...

As for whether or not nVidia handles anti-aliasing better than ati, we seem to agree that it depends on the game (guess I should have been more clear on that point)

Anyways I was just offering up an opinion... I forgot how people tend to get hyper when asked "which computer product is better" or I would have left it to the pro's

And NO, I am not accusing anyone of getting hyper....

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09 Jun 2005 at 01:24 - 23

I have a nividia 6800 256mb card and it looks amazing, i like ATI for my HL2 but they are roughly similar in my respects, but some games run better on different cards....hope that helps

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09 Jun 2005 at 01:55 - 24

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Simply put, the best card for his money is either a 6600GT or 6800GT, depending on how much he's willing to spend. Period. This is a non-biased and non-prejudgemental piece of advice. The 6600GT costs far less than his budget, the 6800GT costs around his budget, and both far out-perform their ATI counterparts (the ATI Radeon X700 Pro and X800 Pro respectively.)

You're quoting outdated ATI cards.
The counterpart for the 6800GT is the X800 XL not X800 Pro. The X800 Pro could not compete with the 6800GT so ATI introduced the X800 XL. The 6800GT and X800 XL have similar performance but the X800 XL is cheaper.

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09 Jun 2005 at 07:05 - 25

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Originally Posted by Kalrakhi

I crack out 12577 in 3dMark03 and thats with the official drivers so I reckon I could get better with a 75.10 or whatever the latest one is.

All on stock cooling.

Klrakhi, please read what I actually wrote before you quote me with a "put-down" in future. I specifically said vanilla 6800's, not 6800GT's, you quoted that part yourself.

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You're quoting outdated ATI cards.
The counterpart for the 6800GT is the X800 XL not X800 Pro. The X800 Pro could not compete with the 6800GT so ATI introduced the X800 XL. The 6800GT and X800 XL have similar performance but the X800 XL is cheaper.

Actually, you're the one quoting out of date video cards as the 6800GT counterpart is the X800Pro, and the 6800Ultra counterpart if the X800XT. Nvidia have no counterparts for the X800XL or the X850 series because they've not pushed any new cards in the Geforce6 range for some time. You'll see this soon enough, as the 7800/7800GTX they've been working on for God knows how long will be released in about a month's time.

Comparing a 6800GT to an X800XL or the X850 series is like comparing a 9800 Pro to a 6600GT.

If Nvidia actually ever released an X800XL/X850 counterpart, then we'd be talking, but the point is purely moot.

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09 Jun 2005 at 07:48 - 26

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Comparing a 6800GT to an X800XL or the X850 series is like comparing a 9800 Pro to a 6600GT.

If Nvidia actually ever released an X800XL/X850 counterpart, then we'd be talking, but the point is purely moot.

The 9800, based on the R420 chipset, belongs in the generation of the FX5000 series. Just check when the 9800 was released, it is a pretty old card. So it makes no sense to compare them.

The 7000 series Nvidia cards are to be compared with ATI's upcoming R520 series.

So logically, all the ATI X series cards, including the newer X800 XL, which are also based on the R420 chipset, should be compared with Nvidia's 6000 series.

I believe they have stopped manufacturing the X800 Pro as it is not competitive and the replacement is the X800 XL, which is cheaper than the competition and performs as well.

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09 Jun 2005 at 07:52 - 27

Yes, but they do not have a direct counterpart in the Geforce6 series.

X800 - 6800
X800 Pro - 6800 GT
X800 XT - 6800 Ultra
X800 XL - ?
X850 - ?
X850 XT PE - ?

I'm looking forward to seeing what ATI cook up when the Geforce 7800 hits the shelves though, maybe the X850 XT PE will drop in price, because it's my current holy grail.

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Just check when the 9800 was released, it is a pretty old card. So it makes no sense to compare them.

That was my entire point. Comparing a 6800 GT to an X800 XL is equally silly as there is no Nvidia counterpart to the X800 XL. Red herrings, false dilemas, and whatnot are all good, but if we're talking ATI vs. Nvidia then let's stick to cards that actually have a counterpart.

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09 Jun 2005 at 07:58 - 28

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Yes, but they do not have a direct counterpart in the Geforce6 series.

X800 - 6800
X800 Pro - 6800 GT
X800 XT - 6800 Ultra
X800 XL - ?
X850 - ?
X850 XT PE - ?

This is my list, based on price and equivalent performance:

X800 - 6800
X800 XL(was X800 Pro) - 6800 GT
X800 XT PE - 6800 Ultra
X850 - No equivalent
X850 XT PE - No equivalent

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09 Jun 2005 at 08:12 - 29

Well Principa, I have both a 6800vanilla and a 6800gt, dont get me wrong the 6600gt is damn fine card..but i have to disagree with you saying that they benchmark better than a plain 6800, my 6800 benches just uner 9500 on 3dmarko3, and with the card overclocked and the extra pipes unlocked it'll hit 11500 03 marks, a little less than my 6800gt....

When i'm able i'll post a futuremark score for reference

EDIT - and answering your question Freejet, use either nvidia or ATI, whichever card you prefer and what your budget can stretch to, both make great cards....

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09 Jun 2005 at 08:23 - 30

The average 6800 benches within the 8k range in 3DMark03, Ramus' score for example was a perfectly average vanilla 6800 score.

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09 Jun 2005 at 08:31 - 31

hmm, well mine must be above average, it's a run of the mill sparkle 6800 nu, but will never bench below 9500(approx) on 3dmark03, if thats the case then i have a damn good card....

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:04 - 32

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hmm, well mine must be above average, it's a run of the mill sparkle 6800 nu, but will never bench below 9500(approx) on 3dmark03, if thats the case then i have a damn good card....

Probably, Sparkle make good GPUs anyway. And don't forget that it will take processor and RAM into account, and even the mobo. Sounds to me like you just have a very well-built system with good cooling.

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:14 - 33

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Klrakhi, please read what I actually wrote before you quote me with a "put-down" in future. I specifically said vanilla 6800's, not 6800GT's, you quoted that part yourself.

It was not meant as a put me down, simply a "look what I can get". Jeez, stop being so insecure.

Principa Discordia

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:18 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalrakhi

It was not meant as a put me down, simply a "look what I can get". Jeez, stop being so insecure.

I'm not being insecure, I just simply don't like being quoted with a point that has zero relevence to what I said. It's called spam.

cannonfodder

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:38 - 35

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Probably, Sparkle make good GPUs anyway. And don't forget that it will take processor and RAM into account, and even the mobo. Sounds to me like you just have a very well-built system with good cooling.

Yeah principa, was surprised about sparkle products myself, alot of people put them down, and yeah i have a couple of high end amd64 set ups, so the rest of the components contribute in a big way....

Just recommended a mate buy a bfg 6600gt, he wants some good bang for pound(buck just doesn't sound right for a geordie), would even get one for myself if anything happened to my babies

I have to agree with you that some people are just a bit too touchy, when opinions are voiced

Seron

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:43 - 36

ATI x800xl - retail for $300
asus 6600gt oc - $200

is the ati x800xl worth the extra $100?
and will it work on the asus a8n delux SLI motherboard? this is gonna be my first time making a comp, heh.

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:50 - 37

The x800xl is quite a bit faster than the 6600gt, but you can't compare them as previously stated in this tread. Very different architecture

If the x800xl is pci express then yes it will work in that motherboard, but if you want to go sli, you'll need to go nvidia for the moment, so i would say save your cash, get a pci express 6600gt then add another when you can

Principa Discordia

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09 Jun 2005 at 09:52 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seron

ATI x800xl - retail for $300
asus 6600gt oc - $200

is the ati x800xl worth the extra $100?
and will it work on the asus a8n delux SLI motherboard? this is gonna be my first time making a comp, heh.

You can ask anybody who owns one or has owned one how fantastic the performance of the 6600GT is for the price. But it's really up to you. The X800 XL will perform a lot better, but you'll get 60-80 FPS with the 6600GT in Guild Wars or Half Life 2 or anything in high resolutions with antialiasing etc. enabled.

It's really up to you. If you want the better performance go for the X800 XL, but if you want massive performance for 2/3rds of the price then the 6600GT is the card for you, or for anybody actually. And as cannonfodder pointed out, ATI Crossfire (SLI) is not available yet.

Seron

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09 Jun 2005 at 10:07 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

You can ask anybody who owns one or has owned one how fantastic the performance of the 6600GT is for the price. But it's really up to you. The X800 XL will perform a lot better, but you'll get 60-80 FPS with the 6600GT in Guild Wars or Half Life 2 or anything in high resolutions with antialiasing etc. enabled.

It's really up to you. If you want the better performance go for the X800 XL, but if you want massive performance for 2/3rds of the price then the 6600GT is the card for you, or for anybody actually. And as cannonfodder pointed out, ATI Crossfire (SLI) is not available yet.

i see, so the x800xl is better suited for future games than the 6600gt is what you're saying, quality whise.

what is the fps with the x800xl since 60-80 is with the 6600gt oc, and how do i see my fps when playing guild wars, i havn't been able to check it.

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09 Jun 2005 at 10:42 - 40

[quote]Originally Posted by Seron
ATI x800xl - retail for $300
asus 6600gt oc - $200

is the ati x800xl worth the extra $100?
and will it work on the asus a8n delux SLI motherboard? this is gonna be my first time making a comp, heh.[quote]

don't you think that the x800xl should be compared with the 6800 gt around $300. since they are in the same price range