hi,
I just read on the Official GW website that they banned over 100 accounts yesterday because they used bots
"Bots Banned 7 June 2005
s part of our continuing promise to keep Guild Wars free of hacks, cheats, and other exploits, we closed the accounts of more than 100 users of in-game "bots" today. Bots are against the EULA and the Rules of Conduct, and we will continue to remove players from the game if they engage in the use of such programs."
What happens to these people? are they not allowed to play GW anymore?
I think it is hardly fair, since they payed like $57.49 or more (maybe less)
and then they get banned. Because I heard that you have to have a different serial for each account. So does that mean if they want to continue playing, they have to buy another copy of GW?
I'm not saying that I'm going to cheat, but I was just wondering what would happen to them.
Deleteion of account
Isaacp
Valin
Yeah, they'll have to buy a new account if they want to play. Although I have to disagree with you. It's completely fair and they were warned well in advance if they bothered to read the EULA. They knew the risk.
Swampgirl Inez
Yes, I'm pretty sure a banned account means saying 'bye, bye' to your 50 bucks.
Personally, I don't understand the reasoning behind paying 50 dollars for a game your aren't really 'playing' in the first place. Why spend that kind of money if you aren't going to actually put the effort into enjoying for yourself?
Personally, I don't understand the reasoning behind paying 50 dollars for a game your aren't really 'playing' in the first place. Why spend that kind of money if you aren't going to actually put the effort into enjoying for yourself?
Isaacp
thats true, but still, I think that there should be some kind of waring system
1st offence- 1 week ban
2nd offence- 1 month ban
3rd offence- account deletion
what do you think.
It is true thatthey were warned....maybe I should go read the EULA now...
,btw, where can I find the EULA?
1st offence- 1 week ban
2nd offence- 1 month ban
3rd offence- account deletion
what do you think.
It is true thatthey were warned....maybe I should go read the EULA now...
,btw, where can I find the EULA?
ethornber
It's that thing you clicked 'agree' to when you installed the game.
CtrlAltDel
its that thing you clicked 'i agree' to when you installed it
as for bots
if i'd see a bot looking name or behavior, i'd report that before i'd report someone with a childish offensive name...
[email protected] post, amost exact same wording at the same time
as for bots
if i'd see a bot looking name or behavior, i'd report that before i'd report someone with a childish offensive name...
[email protected] post, amost exact same wording at the same time
Azmodan
I think that their IP address should be banned so they can't even buy a new game. Besides, how many of those were farming bots that turned around and sold the stuff on Ebay? They got their money back and more.
Isaacp
so, in other words, insted or just clicking it, I should read first?
Can I find it on the official GW Website?
Can I find it on the official GW Website?
Swampgirl Inez
The EULA is the long 'agreement' we all click "I Agree" on when we sign up for the account. I'm sure there is a copy on the main GW site or in your game account setup.
Anyway, a specific Bot warning has been on this site and on the GW site for a few weeks now, not to mention the 'keylogger' warning that pops up everytime you log into the game.
So no, I do not think a warnind system should be implemented. The bot-users have already been warned of policy. Those policies should be used accordingly.
Anyway, a specific Bot warning has been on this site and on the GW site for a few weeks now, not to mention the 'keylogger' warning that pops up everytime you log into the game.
So no, I do not think a warnind system should be implemented. The bot-users have already been warned of policy. Those policies should be used accordingly.
CtrlAltDel
put your cd in, and look for the eula.txt of whatever file on there, im sure there is one there, im at work though and cannot check
Loviatar
Isaacp
where do you think most of the gold being sold for 100k/35 dollars is coming from anyway?
all they will do is open 5 more accounts and continue
where do you think most of the gold being sold for 100k/35 dollars is coming from anyway?
all they will do is open 5 more accounts and continue
hassoon
Good job AN no sympathy or tolerance for these fools the EULA clearly states the rules.
Isaacp
LOL CtrlAltDel, at work, and browzing forums? are u obsessed? (no offence)
I am, I would go on this forum during school, but the blocked the "unblocking" site...kinda ironic.
I am, I would go on this forum during school, but the blocked the "unblocking" site...kinda ironic.
Tiedye
I agree that the IP address should be banned in addition to account deletion. How much of a safeguard is the game's $50 purchase price against people making a fortune selling bot farmed gold and items on eBay? At least make them go through the hassle of spoofing a new address...
Stabwound
Actually I am pretty sure that I read from Gaile Gray that it wasn't really item hunting bots, but just bots that spammed a certain website or item sale offer in chats.
Teklord
A bot is a bot, its specific function matters not. It has no place in a game.
spiritofcat
I thought I heard from Gaile before that they were only banning individual characters and not the whole account. For the first offence that is. Repeat offenders should be fully banned.
Jigokunoinu
Why is it people still believe banning by IP is going to work? The majority of gamers would have dynamic IP addresses and so all banning an IP would do is force someone to restart their computer / modem. It also has the added bonus of banning whoever is lucky enough to be assigned that IP next ...
Disabling their account is sufficient, though, as Loviatar said, they probably already made the price of the game back many times over selling their botted gold.
Disabling their account is sufficient, though, as Loviatar said, they probably already made the price of the game back many times over selling their botted gold.
RHR
As has been said numerous times above when you Clicked on "Agree" to the EULA you agreed to not using BOTs of any kind whatsoever.
92.6% of the folks who were banned for using BOTs were probably in High School or below, with no scruples, out to make a quick buck off of a game with no monthly fees, whatsoever. "But, I was just trying to build up an 'Uber' toon, Man." is the excuse that most of them would spout, but if you believe that pile of bovine scatology, I have a bridge in brooklyn that I would love to sell you.
A BOT is a BOT, is a BOT. No matter how you cut it or what you say it was for, it is a CHEAT program and all were warned from the get-go, that BOTs would not be tolerated.
I say, "Three Cheers" for the Dev team, for standing behind their word.
Yes, the little, cheating, turds, will just go buy another copy of the game and be right back in looking for another way to scam the game and the gamers. It would appear, however, that Arenanet is not asleep at the wheel.
Once they have been banned 3 or 4 times, they will go somewhere else where the Game-Ops are asleep at the wheel. The scammers are like your town burglers. They will always look for the easy mark, and exploit it. Thankfully, they are discovering that GW is not the easy mark it initially appeared to be.
"Good riddance to bad rubbish," is all that can be said that whole crowd.
92.6% of the folks who were banned for using BOTs were probably in High School or below, with no scruples, out to make a quick buck off of a game with no monthly fees, whatsoever. "But, I was just trying to build up an 'Uber' toon, Man." is the excuse that most of them would spout, but if you believe that pile of bovine scatology, I have a bridge in brooklyn that I would love to sell you.
A BOT is a BOT, is a BOT. No matter how you cut it or what you say it was for, it is a CHEAT program and all were warned from the get-go, that BOTs would not be tolerated.
I say, "Three Cheers" for the Dev team, for standing behind their word.
Yes, the little, cheating, turds, will just go buy another copy of the game and be right back in looking for another way to scam the game and the gamers. It would appear, however, that Arenanet is not asleep at the wheel.
Once they have been banned 3 or 4 times, they will go somewhere else where the Game-Ops are asleep at the wheel. The scammers are like your town burglers. They will always look for the easy mark, and exploit it. Thankfully, they are discovering that GW is not the easy mark it initially appeared to be.
"Good riddance to bad rubbish," is all that can be said that whole crowd.
MaglorD
No offense, but it seems to me the OP or someone he knew was banned and is now whining about it. Banning is necessary to prevent the game from becoming shite. I fully agree with what Arenanet has done. Wish they'd done it earlier and cracked down on those idiots selling gold for real money.
Sir Skullcrasher
for $50 dollar, your basically getting the CD with the basic character class and the program and the cd key to run the game, the ACTUAL!!! contents is stream into your computer as you get into new area (say old ascalon, crystal mountain, etc) most of these maps and monsters are downloaded into your computer as you play the game.
If A-net want to be a total jerk about banning someone, they can ban that person ip, cd-key, address, and email all at the same time.... that should be a complete ban in my opinion.
(althought i know you can total BS a fake address or use a different email)
If A-net want to be a total jerk about banning someone, they can ban that person ip, cd-key, address, and email all at the same time.... that should be a complete ban in my opinion.
(althought i know you can total BS a fake address or use a different email)
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by RHR
As has been said numerous times above when you Clicked on "Agree" to the EULA you agreed to not using BOTs of any kind whatsoever.
92.6% of the folks who were banned for using BOTs were probably in High School or below, with no scruples, out to make a quick buck off of a game with no monthly fees, whatsoever. "But, I was just trying to build up an 'Uber' toon, Man." is the excuse that most of them would spout, but if you believe that pile of bovine scatology, I have a bridge in brooklyn that I would love to sell you. A BOT is a BOT, is a BOT. No matter how you cut it or what you say it was for, it is a CHEAT program and all were warned from the get-go, that BOTs would not be tolerated. I say, "Three Cheers" for the Dev team, for standing behind their word. Yes, the little, cheating, turds, will just go buy another copy of the game and be right back in looking for another way to scam the game and the gamers. It would appear, however, that Arenanet is not asleep at the wheel. Once they have been banned 3 or 4 times, they will go somewhere else where the Game-Ops are asleep at the wheel. The scammers are like your town burglers. They will always look for the easy mark, and exploit it. Thankfully, they are discovering that GW is not the easy mark it initially appeared to be. "Good riddance to bad rubbish," is all that can be said that whole crowd. |
Jigokunoinu
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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
If A-net want to be a total jerk about banning someone, they can ban that person ip, cd-key, address, and email all at the same time.... that should be a complete ban in my opinion.
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Isaacp
If u mean "OP", dos that mean me (original poster)
No, I don't know ANYONE that playes this game, but I will by this afternoon. I was just wondering what hapens to the people who get banned
No, I don't know ANYONE that playes this game, but I will by this afternoon. I was just wondering what hapens to the people who get banned
Weezer_Blue
Bots are in direct violation of the End User License Agreement. If someone violates the EULA, Arena.Net has every right to take action against them. And they're doing it.
Good Riddance.
Good Riddance.
Dravic Badmoon
It is time for me to say something. GW most and likely not ban IP addresses, because the banned person would have to go out and buy the game again at $50. Now if this person keeps being banned, and keeps going out and buying the game repeatedly, then GW is making a profit. In addition, typically most game companies that ban users, ban them by their physical address or known as the MAC address. They can easily find a user’s MAC address through their IP address, since the routing table keeps a record of the IP address and the physical address that a packet came from. MAC address can be changed, but you have to know how to do it. If someone on the network that you are attached to, has that MAC address, then your MAC is temporally changed to avoid packet collisions and errors. If you do not know how to change it, then you typically have to go out and buy a new network card, which can be costly over time. So here is my big and informal post of the day.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Swampgirl Inez
Yes, I'm pretty sure a banned account means saying 'bye, bye' to your 50 bucks.
Personally, I don't understand the reasoning behind paying 50 dollars for a game your aren't really 'playing' in the first place. Why spend that kind of money if you aren't going to actually put the effort into enjoying for yourself? |
they probably aren't paying for it.....
Schorny
IP ban? Are you crazy? IPs don't mean anything. I always get another IP when I'm going online. In AOL Accounts the IP can be changed during being online. And what about proxies...?
And a Mac-Address ban? Doesn't make sense either. First, noone can read my Mac-Address, I don't broadcast it to the internet and changing it is so damn easy... Maybe you can block script kiddies, but the ones that are the problem are more intelligent people.
I think account banning is ok, allthough (at least in austria) the EULA is not backed up by law. That means, even if I accept it, I'm not required to behave like the EULA told me. By law, the EULA means nothing.
Allthough I don't want to do a legal fight about this, because I may win, but it would cost me way too much time and money...
And a Mac-Address ban? Doesn't make sense either. First, noone can read my Mac-Address, I don't broadcast it to the internet and changing it is so damn easy... Maybe you can block script kiddies, but the ones that are the problem are more intelligent people.
I think account banning is ok, allthough (at least in austria) the EULA is not backed up by law. That means, even if I accept it, I'm not required to behave like the EULA told me. By law, the EULA means nothing.
Allthough I don't want to do a legal fight about this, because I may win, but it would cost me way too much time and money...
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Dravic Badmoon
It is time for me to say something. GW most and likely not ban IP addresses, because the banned person would have to go out and buy the game again at $50. Now if this person keeps being banned, and keeps going out and buying the game repeatedly, then GW is making a profit. In addition, typically most game companies that ban users, ban them by their physical address or known as the MAC address. They can easily find a user’s MAC address through their IP address, since the routing table keeps a record of the IP address and the physical address that a packet came from. MAC address can be changed, but you have to know how to do it. If someone on the network that you are attached to, has that MAC address, then your MAC is temporally changed to avoid packet collisions and errors. If you do not know how to change it, then you typically have to go out and buy a new network card, which can be costly over time. So here is my big and informal post of the day.
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ifconfig eth1 down
ifconfig eth1 hw ether 12:34:56:78:90:12
ifconfig eth1 up
pump -i eth1
most new NICs can change their mac address via the windows GUI now anyway.
Teklord
Those are Linux commands. I can't say I've taken a census or anything, but I'm very positive Linux is still very much a minority when it comes to the overall population of Operating Systems.
Also banning by MAC simply isn't practical. Anyone who has taken studies in networks and how they communicate (particularly router to router) will know why. It doesn't even matter than MAC addresses can be easily changed or not...
Also banning by MAC simply isn't practical. Anyone who has taken studies in networks and how they communicate (particularly router to router) will know why. It doesn't even matter than MAC addresses can be easily changed or not...
Dravic Badmoon
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Originally Posted by Schorny
First, noone can read my Mac-Address, I don't broadcast it to the internet and changing it is so damn easy... Maybe you can block script kiddies, but the ones that are the problem are more intelligent people.
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Teklord
Those are Linux commands. I can't say I've taken a census or anything, but I'm very positive Linux is still very much a minority when it comes to the overall population of Operating Systems.
Also banning by MAC simply isn't practical. Anyone who has taken studies in networks and how they communicate (particularly router to router) will know why. It doesn't even matter than MAC addresses can be easily changed or not... |
Bezerker
Yay to the Guild Wars crew for banning them, these guys should not get ANY warning at all, ban em, thats the only thing they will listen to.
Fye Duron
Personally I am glad that the bots are gone. But they didn't have to kill the drops so hard. Now when ever I kill a lvl 20 mob nothing is dropping.
Crystal NightingGale
I feel that the ban rule is fair. People who use bots have no place in Guild Wars. It's annoying and ruins the game. Also, I agree with Fye that ANet didn't have to kill the drops so hard. They should fix that for the next patch. In my opinion, I don't like the rune trader. It was more fun going out and actually working hard to find runes from drops.
Night
1) Highly highly doubtful its an IP ban. IP's can easily be circumvented so that wouldn't make any sense. Same with email banning. Most ISP give multiple email accounts for users so that wouldn't much of a purpose. Banning the Key would be the way to keep that key from logging on again, forcing the user to purchase another key.
2) From what I have read, its an account ban not a CD key ban. CD key should still be viable to create another account so no, its not 50 bucks gone good buy at least not the first time. Repeat offenders will eventually get their keys banned.
3) Warning system? How about when you sign up, you agree not to do certain things? How much more of warning do you need? No, ignorance is not a viable defense.
2) From what I have read, its an account ban not a CD key ban. CD key should still be viable to create another account so no, its not 50 bucks gone good buy at least not the first time. Repeat offenders will eventually get their keys banned.
3) Warning system? How about when you sign up, you agree not to do certain things? How much more of warning do you need? No, ignorance is not a viable defense.
DrSLUGFly
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Originally Posted by Swampgirl Inez
Personally, I don't understand the reasoning behind paying 50 dollars for a game your aren't really 'playing' in the first place. Why spend that kind of money if you aren't going to actually put the effort into enjoying for yourself?
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly
It's an investment... in all likelihood, those 100 accounts belonged to maybe 10 people, maybe even less. And probably those ten people were just overseers in a privately owned "pc cafe" where underlings were paid ridiculously minimum wage to play the game and farm and/or the bots were set to auto-target, auto-pickup, auto-salvage, etc. I know that hacks are difficult, but I'm sure it wouldn't be tough to design a program that controls the keys and actions while in game.
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in all likely hood you are correct....or a private player has figured out the algorithm they use to generate CD Keys and generated himself 100 accounts to go and collect items for him.
Dravic Badmoon
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2) From what I have read, its an account ban not a CD key ban. CD key should still be viable to create another account so no, its not 50 bucks gone good buy at least not the first time. Repeat offenders will eventually get their keys banned.
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Player A is one of your typical scamming/farming bot bastards found in all MMORPGs when they first start.
Arena Net posts one day that players caught farming with bots will have their account banned.
Player A laughs at Arena’s post and keeps on bot farming.
Arena Net notices that Player A is using a bot to farm items and such, therefore, Player A’s account is now banned.
Player A comes back to find that his/her account has been banned, so Player A creates a new account, and puts the Cd-Key he/she had used for their banned account.
Arena’s servers checks to see if that Cd-key has been used, and finds out it has been used, and sends a message back to Player A.
Player A receives a message that says that Cd-Key is already in use. Player A has two options now. One, go out and buy the whole game again at $50, or two, go play another game.
Therefore, this means if your account is banned, then your Cd-Key is now useless. In addition, this means that E-bayers should not try to buy Player A’s or any ones Guild Wars CDs. Another Case Closed!