Rune Seller Complaints Post!!

I'm sorry, who told you that?

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As far as the trader being implemented, I think it will take time to settle in, but should be a nice improvement. I have no interest in trying to "out spam" children in trade chat in order to buy or sell a rune. Now I can keep trade permanently off, and never have to read "WTB GODLY YELLOW MAX DAMAGE FIERY SWORD!!!! NO NOOB OFFERS!!11!!1!" again.

Thanks Anet.

well, this patch just ruined my day...

this patch sucks balls. thank god i got grand theft auto san andreas yesterday.... wooooo!

i never did like the aspect of sitting around town spamming for WTS WTS ALLL MY SHIT.. i have a char fulla runes and i didnt know what to do with them.. i guess its just easier to sell them to the dude now

edit: i can sell my superior fastcasting rune for.. 25 gold WOOOOOT

I LOVE this patch. Soon people will begin to realize that there's more to GW than farming.

Its a good addition, it gives a base price for people to judge the items worth from. It cuts down the amount of time required to get some nice bonuses for you character, remember that this is an rpg focusing on player skill above time played. Its easier than looking at trade spam for the rune you need too.

Without this the huge ammount of gold that people will generate over time would cut off runes for casual players completly because of the inflated prices. As its said on other replies the dye merchant hasn't stopped players selling dyes it's just curbed the price that they can charge for them.

People are still trying to get rich? If you been trying to get rich and haven't hit the max gold cap on all your characters and on storage you are doing a really bad job.

Are you sure abou that?

This is not Trade Wars. This is Guild Wars. If you're quitting GW because you can't overcharge or hoard tons of stuff then I say good. The game will be a better place.

This will also eliminate a lot of scamming going on and the unnecessary grind. Best update so far.

Great change.

I got to sell a bunch of minor runes for about the price I was hoping to get from spamming trade channels. Got about 160 a piece for them.

There's still a market to get better prices. Do we still see crafting material advertised.. dyes.. etc? Of course we do, now we just have a choice to get less and not spend hours spamming channels, or pay more and not go searching. Now I can play the game and not spend my time staring at a trade screen. Absolutely great change.

There's still the option to sell under the rune trader's cost, or buy under the rune trader's cost... same way everything else in this game has worked.

I'm really sick of this attitude all over the place. The game is never for the better when a player leaves the community.

Well... perhaps not never. But not someone who feels that they are trying to help the community, or is interested in becoming an active member of the community, but is trying to point out what is perceived as flaws.


For the love of god people, let the 'holier than thou' attitude rest.

You know if you don't want people buying from the rune seller just don't sell to it *gasp* they will go out of stock. This won't really happen though because most people don't care if they sell to the rune seller or not.

Well said.

man i have to agree with both statements, although i never had any interest in pvp anyway. i'm waiting on the update to further the story line of the game - on one hand i'm glad because i can get out and do other things than sit here addicted to GW =)

A.net did.

http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

You can only buy what you've unlocked. Not unlocked, not available to you.

So now those who farm runes to sell, just don't ID them. Sell them unid'ed and tell them that they're running a gambit with getting one they've id'ed or not.

errr, sorry Oni No Arashi, but your logic isnt quite right. I just bought a major rune of marksmanship off the trader and equipped it to one of my armor pieces even though i've never found or unlocked such a rune. Looking at my attributes screen it DID indeed take effect.

The only thing they are doing there is warning you that by buying a rune from the trader your not unlocking it for your account only making it availiable to wear.

There should be a market for un-id'ed runes however, now more then before, since people are going to be more likely to pay more for an un-id'ed item if theres any chance at all it will unlock somthing for thier account

Yeah, I have unlocked a superior vigor AND a major swordmanship.. neither are for sale to me. As a matter of fact only TWO major Warrior runes are for sale compare to four for Rangers. Bit unfair.

I have to agree that this is a good patch. I'm just LAUGHING my arse off at all the people saying it's ruined their day. What's betting they log on, farm all day, sell the runes and make loads of money they can then gloat with. Lol I think it's great. Bout time some of those people were taken down a peg or two. Seriously, runes like major vigor or absorption or even beast mastery still cost loads at the trader. Over 15K for major beast mastery at one point.

I think the best part of this patch is it's going to give runes an actuall value. No more people trying to sell minors for 700 and no more people being scammed for superiors. It'll make things a whole lot more balanced for the people who enjoy the game.
Seriously, I don't know what some people's facination is with being rich all the time. True, once you buy your armor, your weapons and your runes.. I really don't know what those people then find to spend their 100 plat on. It's much better to work hard for each thing you buy. I know since I found and sold my superior vigor for 75K, that money has become slightly worthless. I can almost afford all the 15K armor straight away.

I do hope that all those people with the attitudes "This game is RUINED now" leave, I'm sorry to say it. They're only in these games to be mob bosses and control the market and I'm glad the lesser people will have a shot at things now. People with over 100K are still a minority in this game. The patch allows people to enjoy it from the start.
As for all the lvl 20's with their armor and weapons etc.. I do understand cos at the moment I'm struggling to find things to buy lol. The drive to purchase is a big one, I don't know what it is. There's something satisfactory about purchasing something and making it your own. To those people I say, branch out a bit. If you use a sword then buy a base hammer and create your own hammer. Especially if you're a W/E like myself, get a specified hilt or whatever and switch your atts and skills to a different element. The makers of this game have introduced so many different varieties of skill it's unbelievable. The people who are moaning about the patch are either lazy, or they just want the best armor, the best sword.. and then to go beat the living crap outta everything.

I don't want to assume or have false hopes, but I do hope there will be expansion packs. Maybe playing the game from the perspective of another race (such as dwarves) or just a basic add on that has extras such as deeper character developement. What I would love to see is not more professions, (I don't know if you can even think up a new one that's not like the others) but a chance to learn a skill from a different profession. Be a W/R and learn how to conjure bone minions. Be a Mo/Me and have a pet. Be a N/E and use a sword. Go to a skills academy and learn basic, intermediate and mastery in these skills. Make it HARD. Of course, everyone is gonna wanna learn to heal or res, but limit it to three skills. And seeing as this is "Guild Wars" I don't think there will be the risk of more soloing because of this.

I personally love the tactics and skill involved in this MMORPG. Make your own weapons, move around your attributes, capture your own skills. To add more logic would make this game a real good community because it would attract those who are willing to work in teams and co-operate and who find satisfaction in more than just money.

Anyway people I don't know if this is at all possible, but if the new patch is a complete bollocks up failure... they can just remove it, right?


There's hope for you grinders yet

I see the confusion. It's a miscommunication on Anet's part. You can only purchase, or sell, a rune that's id'd by "someone". It doesn't have to be you. I just purchased a sup healing rune from the trader. I've never unlocked it prior, and it's still not unlocked.

ArenaNet is trying to make the game "farming" free, so I don't see how people that farm all day so they can be rich contribute very much to the community.

Thats the supply and demand wheel at work there mistress. There were 4 major warrior runes when I looked. I watched minor vigor runes go from the point where the trader simply wouldnt accept them anymore because there were to many to her being out of stock in about a span of 10 mins or less.

I think its safe to say warriors are a very common class

bugger

But I still don't get this "Unlocked and it's available" If that's true then where's me major swordmanship. It's the only blasted one I want!

erm prices in the traders are quite considerably more or same as what they were , seems the only ones that will lose out will be the exceptionally greedy who tried to stockpile minors to up thier price 500+-1k mark which the market trend was leaning too...

imo i think its a good thing & personally i like how the traders keep players prices honest.

Aparently, all runes are up for sale, except the popular ones get grabbed within seconds of becoming available. I've seen a superior vigor, and air, but by the time I get it into the box, its already gone. This is quite frustrating as I want to check what their price is but am currently unable to do so. Funny thing is, I have YET to see a superior fire rune for sale.

Unlocking...well see, when you id an item in the PvE game, you unlock it for your PvP character. When you create a PvP only character you can choose any rune you've unlocked in your PvE game with your PvE characters to attatch to your armor at PvP creation, but like I just said, this only applies to a newly created PvP character.

errr, maybe im making it more difficult then it needs to be, im reading that and I can see how that might not make sense. Basically if you find a major rune of swordsmanship in your PvE game and id it, it becomes "unlocked". If you then on a whim decide to create a brand new character out of the blue and decide "what the heck lets go PvP only" instead of choosing a PvE character, you can then apply that rune to your armor when you choose your equipment. It works just like the unlocking of skills.

Its just that unlocking items on your account doesnt have anything to do with what runes you can buy at the trader, thats based entierly on supply and demand. Who's sold what to the trader and who bought it from her.

It wasn't just rune farmers who were profiting before. the handful of patient arbitragers were making huge profits in the rune market. Well, now you can't get gold by, putting it nicely, 'playing the market,' or more accurately, 'exploiting idiots who set the prices that high themselves.' It's a shame that they got hurt because it certainly was a valid way of making money and more difficult than just pure gold farming but overall the effect of the rune trader was good for previously mentioned reasons.

The people who are going to quit because of this don't belong playing this game the first place. It's not grind wars, as you may want it to be, and thankfully it's being addressed (finally).

Ok, here's the deal on buying from the trader.

Any runes you have unlocked have no effect on what he can and will sell to you. He will offer any that are available at that moment. By the time you drag it into the window, it maybe gone, and thus you cannot purchase it, though.

He will not buy or sell salvaged, but not yet identified runes. So you cannot salvage a yellow piece of armor, and use him as a middle man in trading it, prior to it being identified. This means he will not buy "unidentified superior monk rune". This is the confusion point. Unlocking is irrelevant, identification only applies to the fact that the rune is id'd, and salvaged, and is bought and sold only in this manner.

Everything you see offerred should be similar to what is seen by everyone else, assuming you "click" the trader at the same time.

Overall you just summed up every online game.

All games have the same issue. Because you don't die or lose anything in Guildwars, it will lose interest. Other online games are similar, it still takes time but when you have everything you do end up in a dead end. And if you race to the end by amassing everything asap, well you just F#*&'d yourself quicker as you may lack the depth to make something out of an online game.

Not picking on ya crackerjack, but this line could be seen in all forums on all games where people say that farmers have everything and now that they have everything the game is boring and the game has lost interest and now I am moving on to the next game so now what..... blah blah.... blah....

Maybe if people look back at all the online games they played, they may realise or notice the trends of why people leave. If you believe this will nail GW into the ground, leave, if you belive it will make it more enterating and ocmpetitive, stay.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers

Not everyone is like you.

Let me ask this: What has changed?

The one thing that is (in theory) taken away at all is the ability to make money. Why you want to do this is beyond me. And it's not like it's GONE. You still CAN make money.

Hunting monsters for experience has nothing to do with being max level, and never did. It has to do with that +1 skill point. And, sure, some people will still hunt for cool items that way. Because they like to. Because it's FUN. For them, anyway.

And long before I was ever level 20, I spent hours playing PvP just in the Arenas. I haven't even TRIED GvG yet, but I could spend a lot of time doing that. Maybe YOU can't, but I don't think ArenaNet is about to lose all of it's audience members.

Besides all of that, would you consider coming back for an expansion? After all, they don't need -you- taking up server time when you aren't paying a monthly fee anyway, if there's nothing you like. ;-)

this all just goes back to one of the primary principles of the game: skill over hours played.

Now everyone has easy access to the same runes, not just those who have farmed for hours to acquire them, or to aquire the gold for them.

I say HAIL Anet !

What attracts me to Guild Wars was, other than engaging PvP, the supposed lack of grind. This is just one step closer to right direction. Thank you Anet and the vocal minority (the one who spammed us to death with their WTS offers in local channel) opposing the patch may just screw themselves

The wealthy/rich nobles are whining
that the poor people can now have an easier time getting what they need. My lords and ladies, the world does not revolve around you.

wait... WAIT!! WAIT?

can someone explain to me this rune trading deal... i been to many town that has tons of people selling minor and major runes ranging from prices of 500 gold to the highest 5k.... so these rune trade (let me get this straight) is selling the runes for a cheaper price than all those people that is trying to either trade or sell directly to other players?

im so confused

I doubt I would come back for an expansion, as I don't like the way A-net is taking guild wars. I like the pvp, but I don't want it just thrown at my feet. No reward is so sweet as one earned if you ask me and some famous dude who i can't remember :P I might go back to diablo 2, with so many different pvp builds and tons of items required per char, I have trouble getting bored... only hacked! :O

i agree too..

every patch that comes out is just making it easier for people who cant get nothing.. they increase 1 sigil to 3, now almost everyones gonna have one, theyll be worthless, crappier guilds out there, less competition.. thing is, if you cant win one, you shouldnt deserve one.. now they sell runes too? come on, we're suppose to find these on our own....

How does being allocated a rune by a random drop table have anything to do with earning, and how does less teams on the ladder mean more competition?

Thats as well as someone can sum up my thoughts in a single sentence. I'm sick of the people who keep forgetting this game revolves around the PvP. You want the PvE to be the big point of the game? Go play world of warcraft or everquest 2, or whatever else there is out there. The PvE in this game got boring by level 10. Its not challenging at all, its just something that has to be done to not get massacred in PvP. What do you people think you're going to do when you finish the game anyway? The PvE isnt constantly evolving, so you're basically stuck with finishing missions you havent already done (there wont be many of those), farming (zzz), or PvP (ie: the point of the damn game). Perhaps you can make a new character, but what fun is that? Same shit all over again? Bleh.

The rune traders are something i'm quite happy about. It aids the PvP aspect in huge ways. Not only can i now get rid of the many many runes that were cluttering up my characters backpacks, i can now not worry as much about farming to get a particular rune for a new piece of armor, or farming to get one billion gold to buy that one superior rune no one seems to have except for that one guy who doesnt like the idea of bartering. Simply put, it reduces the amount of time put into PvE (the boring grind part of the game). While theres still a fair bit to fix up in the game, this is a step in the right direction to say the least.

No kidding. When the Rare Material Trader first popped up, he was buying Steel Ingots for 800 gold a piece from me! o.o
And the Material Trader was selling them for a little over 2k for 10. Buy 10, sell them as singles, and you make 6k. Was going to try it, but when I got back to the Rare Material Trader, he was buying them for 30 a piece. However, I did manage to sell 22 steel ingots I already had for 17,600 gold.

Crazy.

The idea is only the best players can make guilds and fight against each other, in other words good competition. Don't anyone DARE say that this is unfair, as anyone pro patch is saying that Gw is supposed to be about skill not grind, and heres your skill.

I found it funny all the people who complained first spoke as if they came off the l33t boat last week. Can't people just type "to" instead of "2". Or "you" instead of "U". What is so god damned hard about it ? Moving your finger up to the 2 button is more work than hitting the o button! It's not lazy, it's retarded.

And about the change. Muahahahaha!! Ok. Seriously, people keep saying what is there to do after you complete the game, have max armor and captured all your skills ? Get rich ? Why, what is there to buy ? The only thing you could possibly do with all that money is sell it on Ebay. Go screw yourselves botboys, you're fuxored!

Top runes, armor, and items for several characters with which you pvp.

EVE online does have a free two week trial. Though I never delved deeply into the PvP in my trial time.

Only reason I stopped playing it cause I'm cheap and can't pay a monthly subscription when I have to pay rent and crap, and it was being buggy as hell for me.