no big deal

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

You know I’m an pve person and I stopped to think about the way things are going, and you know even though that this point it looks like GW will just be another fantasy based counter strike within the next 6 months at the present rate of patching, who am I to complain. I have already gotten my moneys worth out of this game. I probably won't by the expansion if things keep going in the direction they are but hey, A-Net as decided which side its on and that’s good, PvP is great, I just don't see it holding my longer than a few months. Again I got my moneys worth out of GW, I’ll finish up my last character and move on, D&D looks like it will have a good storyline have fun capturing each others flags and calling each other names.

Xellos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2005

No Idea

So you'd like the game to add another 80 levels? I'm confused here. Do you want this to be the next Maple Story or something?

spiritofcat

spiritofcat

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sydney, Australia

Order of the Sanguine Dragon [OSD]

E/Mo

Looks like one happy customer to me.
This game isn't for everyone, and it's refreshing to see someone who isn't bitter about that.

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

I no not 80 levels I just liked it the way it was and yes I am a happy customer, they made a great game.

P.S. now if they where charging my 15 bucks a month *cough* lineage II *cough* this post would have alot diffent tone to it lol

nycxjk

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/Mo

This was a more mature post than the mass amount of others there are. Props to you, Stur.

Adaria

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

I finally got my first elite skill today thanks to the new SoC system, I love the gag of Dwarven ale, and though I am a little sad to see some farming go, I do it for fun and am never really good at it anyway, I'm glad to see them cutting down on it.

This was the best update for me so far, aside from the rune traders who at this time are fluctuating greatly and setting up some severely high prices on major runes [15k+ on some o_O;] I still love it alot, I'm so happy I got my first Elite!

I got my money out of this game and much more so far.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by nycxjk
This was a more mature post than the mass amount of others there are. Props to you, Stur.
Yes, thank you for the refreshing post, Stur. No complaints or bitterness, just maturity...

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stur
just be another fantasy based counter strike within the next 6 months at the present rate of patching...have fun capturing each others flags and calling each other names.
Yes, very mature. You fell back on one of the pithiest and most overused metaphors that exists on these forums, and washed it down with some good old fashioned thinly-veiled insults.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stur
I just liked it the way it was
Yeah, me too. Considering "the way it was", I never had to spend a minute in PvE if I didn't want to. Too bad you guys had to show up.

Bobum

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Tallahassee FL

Southeast Syndicate

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stur
You know I’m an pve person and I stopped to think about the way things are going, and you know even though that this point it looks like GW will just be another fantasy based counter strike within the next 6 months at the present rate of patching.
Could not have said it better myself.

Oh and Stur...Go Dawgs

Bobum

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Tallahassee FL

Southeast Syndicate

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
Too bad you guys had to show up.
You make comments like this and you mock HIM for not being mature? You need to take a look at yourself.

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobum
You make comments like this and you mock HIM for not being mature? You need to take a look at yourself.
That was a lament. When I mock, you'll know it.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Keep the peace or I'll crack the whip

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
or I'll crack the whip
Please do

Bobum

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Tallahassee FL

Southeast Syndicate

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
Please do
hehehe

Madjik

Madjik

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere, U.S.A.

Gold Pheonix

mmm. She's got a good point though, this is one of a special few that havent YET degenerated. Lets keep it that way eh?

I dont want to see the whip get cracked. Judgeing by what i've seen it wouldnt be pretty, reguardless of who's behind it

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

This is neither better nor worse than the others who said the game was messed up badly due to grind and offered solutions on how to fix it, just different approaches. The other was dissatisfaction and willingness to fight for change. This is dissastisfaction and resignation of defeat (that the old ways are going away). I hardly see why stur should be praised or condemned.

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stur
You know I’m an pve person and I stopped to think about the way things are going, and you know even though that this point it looks like GW will just be another fantasy based counter strike within the next 6 months at the present rate of patching, who am I to complain. I have already gotten my moneys worth out of this game. I probably won't by the expansion if things keep going in the direction they are but hey, A-Net as decided which side its on and that’s good, PvP is great, I just don't see it holding my longer than a few months. Again I got my moneys worth out of GW, I’ll finish up my last character and move on, D&D looks like it will have a good storyline have fun capturing each others flags and calling each other names.
I do not understand you at all and your post and ideas of how a game plays are completely mind boggiling.

Honestly how does making items unlock easier for PvP hurt your PvE experience?

If you haven't noticed 90% of Anet content is in PvE.

I just dont get it.

OMG PvP players might have some fun, I quit?

wtf

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeru
This is neither better nor worse than the others who said the game was messed up badly due to grind and offered solutions on how to fix it, just different approaches. The other was dissatisfaction and willingness to fight for change. This is dissastisfaction and resignation of defeat (that the old ways are going away). I hardly see why stur should be praised or condemned.
WTF

How does my ability to play a complete PvP game destroy his experience?

Its like playing basketball alone and being mad other people are playing eachother and having fun... but in this case you don't even see the other people..

Its like, wtf.....

OMG someone out there doesnt have to play PvE 3000 hours to play what they want, omg.

seriously someone explain how unlocking things hurts PvE gameplay?

OMG people dont have to farm 300 hours in riverside and sanctum now? Wtf happened to my game! lolz seriously......

Are you guys just item collectors? Progress quest is a nice game you can try out.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeru
I hardly see why stur should be praised or condemned
I see your point, and it seriously made me reassess my position. But you must realize that the others who offer "improvements" are really just whining, complaining, and really are just being rude and irrational. I didn't praise Stur on his position, I was praising him in the manner in which he did it. He was polite (basically), and didn't bash the Devs. He just saw where their priorities are and accepted it. If he had argued (in the same fairly-polite and coherent fashion), it would be just as comendable

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Also one note.

GW design:

Can you?

PVE Without PVPing, YES.

PVP without PVE, YES BUT YOU WILL SUCK

PVP With 150 hours of PvE, YES BUT WITH 1 TYPE OF CHARACTER

PVP with 1000 hours of PVE, YES ON AN ALMOST FAIR SETTING


---------hmmmmm

yes PVE is doomed because people 'MIGHT' be able to not have to play it 1000 hours to compete in PvP.

How does this affect you....

Maybe if it was like, OMG YOU MUST WIN HOH 10 times to play PVE, you might cry ....

but its like, OMG NOOOOOOOOOOO to the guy at mcdonalds when he asks "do you want it supersized", its not even required.

lol, Omg hey if you want to play pvp it will be easier and more fair, "ZOMG NO THIS IS FANTASY CS NOW!!!!! NOW I WILL NOT ENJOY PVE, EVEN THOUGH PVP DOES NOT AFFECT MY NUB BUTT!"

Crackerjak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

I completely agree with you Stur, I too definately got my moneys worth and enjoyed myself during the first month of Guildwars. I suppose I'll still be playing pvp for awhile, but maybe when D&D comes out I'll give that a shot. I have trouble understanding A-nets decision, as both you and I are not going to be buying any expansion packs unless drastic changes are implimented, which I doubt. This seems rather counter-economic to me, as before today I probably would have bought anything thrown at me to keep the experience going.

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
He just saw where their priorities are and accepted it.
wtf

There priority must be PvP lol, thats why like 10% of content if that is PvP, thats why they completely crippled PvP competition then said no that leg isnt broken, you can run fine without a kneecap.

lol

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crackerjak
I completely agree with you Stur, I too definately got my moneys worth and enjoyed myself during the first month of Guildwars. I suppose I'll still be playing pvp for awhile, but maybe when D&D comes out I'll give that a shot. I have trouble understanding A-nets decision, as both you and I are not going to be buying any expansion packs unless drastic changes are implimented, which I doubt. This seems rather counter-economic to me, as before today I probably would have bought anything thrown at me to keep the experience going.
I honestly do not understand what has changed so much with the game?

Was any PVE map changed?

Was the gameplay touched at all?

honestly where is this coming from.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BE|Dac
wtf

There priority must be PvP lol, thats why like 10% of content if that is PvP, thats why they completely crippled PvP competition then said no that leg isnt broken, you can run fine without a kneecap.

lol
I never said he was correct. Maybe I should have said "where he felt their priorities were". In that instance it is simply his opinion on how he feels about it, and you cannot tell him he is right or wrong in the way he feels...

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crackerjak
I completely agree with you Stur, I too definately got my moneys worth and enjoyed myself during the first month of Guildwars. I suppose I'll still be playing pvp for awhile, but maybe when D&D comes out I'll give that a shot. I have trouble understanding A-nets decision, as both you and I are not going to be buying any expansion packs unless drastic changes are implimented, which I doubt. This seems rather counter-economic to me, as before today I probably would have bought anything thrown at me to keep the experience going.
Oh please. If I hear one more "oh dear me unless *koff* ANet gives me everything I want I guess I'll just take my money somewhere else then, and developer's children will have to live on sawdust, *sigh* oh well" power-play I'm going to put my fist through the monitor. This was a tactic favored by the worst of the EQ fandom and it's no less putrid here and now.

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
I never said he was correct. Maybe I should have said "where he felt their priorities were". In that instance it is simply his opinion on how he feels about it, and you cannot tell him he is right or wrong in the way he feels...
Hey man i reserve the right to call a spade a spade, and in this case his post made no sense and offered no reason other then, I liked the way it was.

What changed?

Honestly wtf

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Little less wtf's and omg's please. Just cos you shorten em down don't make em more pretty.

Cold shower for BE|Dac me thinks

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
Little less wtf's and omg's please. Just cos you shorten em down don't make em more pretty.

Cold shower for BE|Dac me thinks
Are you resident English teacher now?

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Would you hate it if I was?

Crackerjak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Oh please. If I hear one more "oh dear me unless *koff* ANet gives me everything I want
Are you serious? A-net is giving me everything I don't want... and giving the majority (new players) everything they want, I am unhappy about it but understand they want temporary appeasment of players, however I do not think handing out everything so early in the game will keep a large player base in the long run. And have the right to leave if I want. I paid my money, I can do whatever I want with my guildwars copy, play it or leave it.

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
Would you hate it if I was?
Oh, how I'd seethe...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crackerjak
And have the right to leave if I want. I paid my money, I can do whatever I want with my guildwars copy, play it or leave it.
You sure do. But you will still draw my criticism if you make it sound like an ultimatum.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
Oh, how I'd seethe...

Then I'd have to say yes

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
But you will still draw my criticism if you make it sound like an ultimatum.
The concept of an ultimatum is foolish. Ultimatums are for people who don't have the time for meaningful speech (like politicians, etc.)

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
I see your point, and it seriously made me reassess my position. But you must realize that the others who offer "improvements" are really just whining, complaining, and really are just being rude and irrational. I didn't praise Stur on his position, I was praising him in the manner in which he did it. He was polite (basically), and didn't bash the Devs. He just saw where their priorities are and accepted it. If he had argued (in the same fairly-polite and coherent fashion), it would be just as comendable
I do understand that. Hence I made sure to specify "and offered solutions on how to fix it" rather than just generalize it If someone just complains and doesn't bother to offer improvements well pfft their own problem nobody else should care.

And dac, *sigh* how about reading my post next time? I spoke nothing about grind or pvp/pve balance or lack of, merely of the attitudes of some people in this thread which were surprisingly ignorant/one sided. In fact I agree that the game had excessive grind and it was pointless to have cause it completely messed up the beta experience. I even quit playing till this patch came out. I grabbed my elites today that would've taken me 5-10x as long before the first of these 2 elite helping patches, and I'll come back again when they fix unlocking runes/weapon mods. Maybe then I can actually pvp at a fair level.

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by BE|Dac

How does my ability to play a complete PvP game destroy his experience?

Its like playing basketball alone and being mad other people are playing eachother and having fun... but in this case you don't even see the other people..

OMG someone out there doesnt have to play PvE 3000 hours to play what they want, omg.

seriously someone explain how unlocking things hurts PvE gameplay?

OMG people dont have to farm 300 hours in riverside and sanctum now? Wtf happened to my game! lolz seriously......

Are you guys just item collectors? Progress quest is a nice game you can try out.
No person that plays role playing games is interested in having venders in the first town of the game sell everything in the game, it just not how RPG’s work. It’s not an argument guys it’s a blurry definition of the game. I bought it thinking it was an RPG. I find out that, though it had elements of an RPG, it was intended to be a fantasy based arena PvP game. I got what I wanted out of the RPG part of it, and I find myself lucky that I got to play though most of the story without the “buy everything you want” vender. I don’t see a point of making an alt at this point other than to tweak him out with all the uber loot I can buy in the noob town.

No reason to get mad about it, the PvP people won, I’m fine with that and everyone like me should be also, just be glad you got as much out of the game as you did.

Don’t worry, be happy

Divinitys Creature

Divinitys Creature

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere between the Real World and Tyria ;P

The Gothic Embrace [Goth]

"Only the sith deal in absolutes..."

sorry I couldn't resist :P