Forgive if this has been mentioned, I couldn't find anything on it. I'll delete if needs be.
Okay in the online manual (so I'm guessing the little book too.. don't know, I lost it under the drinks cabinet.. *hic*..) it states:
"For each hero you create, you’ll choose a primary profession, and later, if you choose, a secondary profession."
Okay, that leads me to believe that I can choose NOT to have a secondary profession. Which is great, cos I want a Ranger. JUST a Ranger. No not a R/E and then not use my Elementalist skills.. JUST a Ranger. Yes I know purist might not be chosen for groups but hey, I prefer the henchmen. Yes this may sound like a whine but I am just asking the question to see if someone knows the answer.
Is a single profession possible?
My ranger is in pre searing and when you go to the dude to talk about secondary professions.. hey ho, you have to take the quest or nothing happens. Well, now I have the quest I don't know what to do. Mr dude tells me he wants me to take a second profession, but I don't remember any news stating that they were changing what the online manual says.
So.. is this temporary? Am I doomed to have a R/M cos I can't think of anything better?
All opinons welcome. All flames can er.. go drink some dwarven ale to calm down :P
Single Professions?
Mistress Eyahl
ManadartheHealer
I think you can only go "purist" when creating PvP characters... getting a second profession is required to leave pre-searing (and I think they should get rid of this requirement. You get the skills from quests for your chosen profession twice as fast without a second profession. Think about it 
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DarrenJasper
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My ranger is in pre searing and when you go to the dude to talk about secondary professions.. hey ho, you have to take the quest or nothing happens.
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I do have to wonder why, though... You don't gain anything by being a single profession, and you never know when you'll discover a skill from your secondary that you might want. If you change your mind after pre-searing, you won't be able to fix it until after ascension.
Mistress Eyahl
The only way to leave pre searing is to talk to er.. the dude who's name I can't remember. And he don't wanna know you till you accept the quest, and then when you DO talk to him he gives you a long speach about how crap you are as a single profession.
Why I want to be a purist? Cos I like to be different. End of.
Oh, and I wanted just all my attributes in marksmanship, expertise and maybe wilderness survival or beast mastery. Seems pointless to take on a second if you aint gonna use it. I like my W/E but I feel compelled to use BOTH professions. Result? I'm half the swordsman I should be.
Why I want to be a purist? Cos I like to be different. End of.
Oh, and I wanted just all my attributes in marksmanship, expertise and maybe wilderness survival or beast mastery. Seems pointless to take on a second if you aint gonna use it. I like my W/E but I feel compelled to use BOTH professions. Result? I'm half the swordsman I should be.
DarrenJasper
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Why I want to be a purist? Cos I like to be different. End of.
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Oh, and I wanted just all my attributes in marksmanship, expertise and maybe wilderness survival or beast mastery. Seems pointless to take on a second if you aint gonna use it.
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Anyway, don't take this as a criticism, just a suggestion.
Mistress Eyahl
That's great advice.. cept you can't equip skills in the field. So I'm wondering at what time will I need to equip my secondary skills. I don't think blasting them all with firestorm is gonna save the day. What I wanted to try out was to be the elite in just a few attributes, like many do with two professions. Hell, all the W/Mo's I know stick em all in sword n strength.
I just wanted to be different.
Anywhoo, there is no win or lose in this game unless you don't enjoy it. If being a purist sucked then I'd stop and remake a character. But when it comes to starting one, I want to be a R over a R/?. So.. which am I going to enjoy more?
I just wanted to be different.
Anywhoo, there is no win or lose in this game unless you don't enjoy it. If being a purist sucked then I'd stop and remake a character. But when it comes to starting one, I want to be a R over a R/?. So.. which am I going to enjoy more?
DarrenJasper
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That's great advice.. cept you can't equip skills in the field. So I'm wondering at what time will I need to equip my secondary skills. I don't think blasting them all with firestorm is gonna save the day. What I wanted to try out was to be the elite in just a few attributes, like many do with two professions. Hell, all the W/Mo's I know stick em all in sword n strength.
I just wanted to be different. Anywhoo, there is no win or lose in this game unless you don't enjoy it. If being a purist sucked then I'd stop and remake a character. But when it comes to starting one, I want to be a R over a R/?. So.. which am I going to enjoy more? |
No, you can't swap skills in the field, but I can almost promise there will come a mission that you have done time and again to the point of frustration because of one single hurdle that your group has never been prepared for. That's your chance to diversify and experiment in bringing different skills to the table. An obvious example is a tough fight with healing mobs... An R/Me with backfire could pretty much make that go away. The possibilities are limitless.
Mistress Eyahl
I've made, played, and post seared every combo. At the moment I want to try something new is all. Im sure one day I'll wake up, and making a Mesmer/Monk is ALL I'll wanna do.
But for now, I want a pure Ranger. This thread was to ask if it can be done. It should stay more on topic or I shall be forced to delete it
But for now, I want a pure Ranger. This thread was to ask if it can be done. It should stay more on topic or I shall be forced to delete it
Eet GnomeSmasher
Well if there ever was the best class to go purist in, then it would be the Ranger....
DarrenJasper
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Well if there ever was the best class to go purist in, then it would be the Ranger....
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Mistress Eyahl
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Seriously. Good luck
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Gah, there ARE mounts in this game and too many people are sittin on em.
ManadartheHealer
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Urgh.. why good luck?
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Madjik
i'm playing a 'purest' ranger right now actually. Well, technically she's a ran/war but all my skill points are divided amongst the ranger and I only use ranger skills. She's turning out quite nicely actually. I solo better with her then I ever did with any of the other characters i've played with over the past month. So far as I can tell rangers are truely diverse enough to pull it off.
at level 15:
Beast 8
Expert 6
Wilderness 5
Marksman 8 +3
Im flying through the game with her right now.
EDIT:: Just leveled, had to change the attributes a little
at level 15:
Beast 8
Expert 6
Wilderness 5
Marksman 8 +3
Im flying through the game with her right now.
EDIT:: Just leveled, had to change the attributes a little
DarrenJasper
Good luck with your existential holocaust then... Sheesh.
Mistress Eyahl
... *pours on cold water*
Madjik
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Good luck with your existential holocaust then... Sheesh.
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Mistress, play what you want. Bottom line it dont matter what anyone else thinks, make your own judgments. What I like may or may not work for you, especially in a game this diverse with as many diffrent ways to go about things as there are. good luck to ya
EDIT:: if your asking if its possible then my answer is yes, I belive it is, and judging by the number of negative posts I dare say it would even be somewhat unique.
Mistress Eyahl
DarrenJasper
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Sorry you feel that way, guess i'll just have to find out for myself when I hit 20.
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Madjik
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That wasn't to you
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Ardus Shadowmane
I wish I'd known you didn't have to take a second prof before you went post-sear. I'm a R/W and the only reason for the /W is because I thought I couldn't get the academy mission that takes you post-sear without it.
If you make it post-sear with a single prof, Mistress Eyahl, let me know!
If you make it post-sear with a single prof, Mistress Eyahl, let me know!
Sarus
I'm pretty sure you have to take a secondary profession before you're allowed to leave pre-searing. (The guys name is Sir Tydus by the way). Originally you could go into the academy without a secondary profession. However, they were finding that too many noobs were forgetting to pick secondary professions and then they were kind of up a creek once they got into post searing. That's why they made having a secondary profession a requirement to leave pre-searing.
Rhedd
Just for the record, I'm a R/El with NO Elementalist skills or points in Elementalist stats. Pure Ranger.
It works, and it works VERY well.
Everyone has an opinion, and most of the negative ones are wrong. ^-^
It works, and it works VERY well.
Everyone has an opinion, and most of the negative ones are wrong. ^-^
Silmor
There's nothing really unique about playing a 'pure' character, there's plenty of people mostly focusing on their primary profession to get a good feel for it before they try combining it with another, or because they are used to playing a pure character.
But when you emulate a 'pure' class simply to consider yourself 'special' for whatever reason, keep in mind it's just the same kind of 'special' as forcing yourself to only use four of your eight skill slots, or to play while blinking rapidly - you diminish your options by your own volition, and people aren't going to be impressed by it.
But when you emulate a 'pure' class simply to consider yourself 'special' for whatever reason, keep in mind it's just the same kind of 'special' as forcing yourself to only use four of your eight skill slots, or to play while blinking rapidly - you diminish your options by your own volition, and people aren't going to be impressed by it.
Witt78
I would simply like to say for the record.
"Mistress Eyahl's Avitar is so cute it's distracting."
Nuff Said.
-Witt78
"Mistress Eyahl's Avitar is so cute it's distracting."
Nuff Said.
-Witt78
Digital Limit
R/Mo and use Ressurect as your eighth skill. Then you're still harnessing the secondary profession but staying fairly pure.
Mistress Eyahl
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There's nothing really unique about playing a 'pure' character, there's plenty of people mostly focusing on their primary profession to get a good feel for it before they try combining it with another, or because they are used to playing a pure character.
But when you emulate a 'pure' class simply to consider yourself 'special' for whatever reason, keep in mind it's just the same kind of 'special' as forcing yourself to only use four of your eight skill slots, or to play while blinking rapidly - you diminish your options by your own volition, and people aren't going to be impressed by it. |
Yeah, I wanted to go R and not R/? because seeing just a single profession letter IS unique. There a problem with that?
And I don't concider myself "special" (geezus, what's with the 's), I just wanted to try something different because it interests me.
I don't expect to win the "Best owner of Guild Wars Award 2005" anytime YET, Mr Silmore.. but when I do I'll be sure to mention you in my speach. You can be certain I'd have some lovely things to say about you too
P.s... do you really think I give two ticks about what people are going to think of my profession in this game? I play with FRIENDS and HENCHMEN.
Thank god I wouldn't have to put up with a rejection from a group by the likes of you, dear.
If you play this game to please other people.. well... sucks to be you!!!
Mistress Eyahl
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I would simply like to say for the record.
"Mistress Eyahl's Avitar is so cute it's distracting." Nuff Said. -Witt78 |
Thank you very much
Evan The Cursed
I like Digital Limit's suggestion. Sure you still have that /Mo tagging along, but it's not much different than Rez Signet. o.o
Mistress Eyahl
It was a good suggestion and will be the option I go for if I have to take the second profession, but the point was I just wanted a one letter profession for a change. I think R/Mo was the third combo I tried out. It was okay, but I try not to take Mo as a second profession cos in my expericene, I've never really used it to benefit the whole group. Never have enough points in an att to make a difference.
One of the reasons I want to try the pure type, so I'm not compelled to use both my professions, like I am with my W/E.
One of the reasons I want to try the pure type, so I'm not compelled to use both my professions, like I am with my W/E.
Ardus Shadowmane
I know, I know. There's absolutely no logic behind wanting to not have that /whatever after the R, except that some of us would like to just see a single letter there.
--edit, didn't notice the second page. oops! LOL.--
Some of us like to be different just for a change of pace, regardless of whether that difference has a positive or negative effect. Although now I'm glad to know that I couldn't have stuck with just R. I feel much better about myself knowing I didn't sell out my hard-earned ideals. :P
--edit, didn't notice the second page. oops! LOL.--
Some of us like to be different just for a change of pace, regardless of whether that difference has a positive or negative effect. Although now I'm glad to know that I couldn't have stuck with just R. I feel much better about myself knowing I didn't sell out my hard-earned ideals. :P
Madjik
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There's nothing really unique about playing a 'pure' character, there's plenty of people mostly focusing on their primary profession to get a good feel for it before they try combining it with another, or because they are used to playing a pure character.
But when you emulate a 'pure' class simply to consider yourself 'special' for whatever reason, keep in mind it's just the same kind of 'special' as forcing yourself to only use four of your eight skill slots, or to play while blinking rapidly - you diminish your options by your own volition, and people aren't going to be impressed by it. |
Mistress Eyahl
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being special and impressing people isnt really a basis for trying to go with pure single class. Sometimes being the same as the masses doesnt cut it. There are a precious few people out there that actually like to go against the grain. Sometimes just because they want to be a little diffrent, somtimes because they want a little more challenge then whats offered initially. Somtimes for completely other reasons not listed here.
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..or is it here here, as in... I'm HERE! over HERE!!! *waves arms frantically*
Silmor
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As such, it's not particularly unique. Having a single profession would be a purely cosmetic thing (and currently possible for PvP premades); if that pleases you personally to look at, great. My comment was just for those who'd choose it in order to show to others that they were different, going against the grain, etc. - I feel that's just misguided narcissism, every single person in the community is already different through their personality, you don't need a visual token to prove it.
Shadowsting
Ack......I know what you mean, I wanted my Elementalist to go pure for some reason my first time around.
But since you have to take a secondary, you might as well go with monk.
But since you have to take a secondary, you might as well go with monk.
Morat
Yep, another one here. I replaced firestorm with barbed trap and moved my fire magic points into wilderness survival.
All Ranger, No Compromise!
All Ranger, No Compromise!
Jedsia
I dont see the big deal with pure classes....
Nearly all my characters are basically pure. My monk is all healing and protection. My mesmer is all Illusion and Inspiration. My Necromancer is nearly all Death and Blood, only using Healing Spring from my Ranger line.
Point being, why force us to take a second class? I realize we dont have to use the second class, but what if we'd rather just BE a ranger, or monk, or mesmer....
I just dont think it's unreasonable. Especially with the already huge amount of skills avaiable to each class, why does having one or two skills from a second class, thus taking points away from my primary objective, have to be the "norm"
Then again, I'm coming from D&D, where I enjoyed pure classes much more than multi class, seeing a multi class as a combining of skills, but a pure class as more a "master". From a roleplay perspective for example, a fighter/cleric should never be as masterful with a sword as a pure fighter who's trained exclusively with a sword. While both are viable builds in their own right, they are different. Not saying pure or multi class is better than another, but personal preference. Granted this isnt D&D and I am fully aware of it
Saying a pure class will never be as good as a class with a secondary is small minded in my opinion. And I have to wonder, if SO many people end up dumping the points from their secondary into their primary in the long run, then why are we forced into this decision in the first place.
Nearly all my characters are basically pure. My monk is all healing and protection. My mesmer is all Illusion and Inspiration. My Necromancer is nearly all Death and Blood, only using Healing Spring from my Ranger line.
Point being, why force us to take a second class? I realize we dont have to use the second class, but what if we'd rather just BE a ranger, or monk, or mesmer....
I just dont think it's unreasonable. Especially with the already huge amount of skills avaiable to each class, why does having one or two skills from a second class, thus taking points away from my primary objective, have to be the "norm"
Then again, I'm coming from D&D, where I enjoyed pure classes much more than multi class, seeing a multi class as a combining of skills, but a pure class as more a "master". From a roleplay perspective for example, a fighter/cleric should never be as masterful with a sword as a pure fighter who's trained exclusively with a sword. While both are viable builds in their own right, they are different. Not saying pure or multi class is better than another, but personal preference. Granted this isnt D&D and I am fully aware of it
Saying a pure class will never be as good as a class with a secondary is small minded in my opinion. And I have to wonder, if SO many people end up dumping the points from their secondary into their primary in the long run, then why are we forced into this decision in the first place.
Silmor
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As far as single class potential goes, a single classed character can never be better than a dual classed character, simply because the single class arsenal is a subset of the dual class arsenal. Whatever the single classed character can do, the dual classed character can do as well: it's a 'smaller than or equal' relation. ArenaNet designed the game around dual classed characters, and they apparently want you to at least consider it - they don't force you to actually use your secondary profession, just to complete your character with one.
Mistress Eyahl
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If you actually read the first paragraph of my post, you'll notice I don't think anything is wrong with it. When people were able to skip their secondary profession, there were many who did, and currently there are many people who usually have a skill bar filled with primary skills (judging from many PvE screenshots I've seen), in essence playing a pure class like yourself.
As such, it's not particularly unique. Having a single profession would be a purely cosmetic thing (and currently possible for PvP premades); if that pleases you personally to look at, great, |
I think it was your mild accusation that I wanted to be a R to be special or something. Like I'm that shallow I'm going to go around showing it off or something. I just don't see the point in being a R/Me and not using any mesmer skills *shrug* This thread was to ask if anyone knew if it could be done, or it was available and then they changed it, or if anyone had ANY information on it. I didn't expect to be judged, have my reasons analysed or be wished "good luck".
Fair enough I open myself up by posting a thread, but negative remarks towards someone wanting to be a primary profession are not needed, that's not at all what this was about. If you have an opinion on pure professions then start a thread called "Pure: Crap or not" or something.
End of the day, this game is there to be enjoyed. I feel like I'm having to verify my gaming experience to people. I don't want to be special, I don't want people to think I'm unique. I wanted to try something different for myself, and this post is only here cos I wasn't able to. Had I been able to I wouldn't even have mentioned it cos frankly, there's nothing to say. Is there.
Jedsia
In answer though. I think it's *possible* to go pure.
I think if you join a party that has a party leader with both professions, it only checks the leader and not you.
I haven't tested it though, but conceivably, you could cross over with only one class this way.
And for the record, I'm on your side.
I think if you join a party that has a party leader with both professions, it only checks the leader and not you.
I haven't tested it though, but conceivably, you could cross over with only one class this way.
And for the record, I'm on your side.
Tellani Artini
Just don't put any points in your secondary. There's nothing awkward about it. But that doesn't mean your secondary prof can't be useful in other ways.
For PvP, change your secondary to what you want people to believe your role is. If you're R/Me, people are more likely to expect mes spells from you and may bump you up in targetting priority. If you're R/E, people might expect you to use conjure flame and "bow nuke". If you're R/Mo, people might watch you to interrupt resurrects. If you're R/W, they might expect you to whip out a melee weapon. I know I expect these kinds of things, just like I watch a W/R to interrupt his apply poison or troll unguent, and watch an E/Mo for heals.
On the other hand, I usually expect a single-profession PvP character to be an amateur, even when many dual-profs stick to their primaries and ignore their secondaries.
All warfare is deception.
For PvP, change your secondary to what you want people to believe your role is. If you're R/Me, people are more likely to expect mes spells from you and may bump you up in targetting priority. If you're R/E, people might expect you to use conjure flame and "bow nuke". If you're R/Mo, people might watch you to interrupt resurrects. If you're R/W, they might expect you to whip out a melee weapon. I know I expect these kinds of things, just like I watch a W/R to interrupt his apply poison or troll unguent, and watch an E/Mo for heals.
On the other hand, I usually expect a single-profession PvP character to be an amateur, even when many dual-profs stick to their primaries and ignore their secondaries.
All warfare is deception.