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Bezerker

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11 Jun 2005 at 14:14 - 1

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Now this could have nothing to do with the problem at all, i just saw that nearly all the users that have freezing issues with the game use a AMD processor. Dont get me wrong, but that is strange.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

11 Jun 2005 at 14:45 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bezerker

Now this could have nothing to do with the problem at all, i just saw that nearly all the users that have freezing issues with the game use a AMD processor. Dont get me wrong, but that is strange.

AMD 2100+
2500+ Barton core

not one freeze

cannonfodder

Tech Monkeh Mod

Join Date: May 2005

Good Old North East of England

Mo/Me

11 Jun 2005 at 14:49 - 3

An AMD 64 here, not one problem, it run's sweet as a nut........

Principa Discordia

Site Contributor

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England.

11 Jun 2005 at 14:49 - 4

AMD Athlon64 Newcastle 3400+ (2.4GHz), not one freeze.

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

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Louisiana

E/Mo

11 Jun 2005 at 19:25 - 5

5 amd based computers young and old, no problems at all.

Cymmina

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Me/N

11 Jun 2005 at 22:33 - 6

Athlon Thunderbird 1000, no problems.

GoatZ Fireace

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Virginia

Demon Wolf Pack

Mo/W

12 Jun 2005 at 21:35 - 7

64 here, runs perfectly

Wolf Lord Logan

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13 Jun 2005 at 07:01 - 8

might be the XP OS and it might be athlon... i got Athlon and XP

eddiejclayton

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13 Jun 2005 at 12:19 - 9

Dual Opteron 246's with Windows XP x64 = freezes up frequently, I still love GW though.

Morat

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Octavian Vanguard

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13 Jun 2005 at 12:59 - 10

probably more to do with the number of overclockers who are getting freezes....

corcesca

Ascalonian Squire

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Canada

Clan of Outlaws

E/A

13 Jun 2005 at 14:12 - 11

AMD Athlon XP 3200+ ... freezing quite a bit.. I get maybe 5 mins of play time.
Mine's overclocked by 400mhz though.. that might be the prob.. but somehow I doubt it since it ran perfectly... before the June 8th update.

toastgodsupreme

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

United States

Me/

13 Jun 2005 at 14:14 - 12

AMD Athlon 2100+ running at 2.1Ghz/400Mhz (normal speed is 1.7Ghz/266Mhz).

I've never had a crash or freeze with this game.

Night

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

13 Jun 2005 at 14:32 - 13

I am curious so see if the freezing is due to either overclocking or improper cooling, ie Heat Sync fan not working properly (not just not working but working below the RPM's that it should), the Heat sync and fan are so cluttered in dust that it looks like a grey christmas in there, or improper case air flow again due to clogging the vents with dust (I am amazed at the number of machines I get in that are encrusted in dust. Its as if folks are blind to the fact that they have about 6 inch of grey crap hanging all over their machine) or the machine itself is in poorly venillated area. GW's is a graphic intensive app so it may be the first time any of these issues arise. I have 1 machine with an AMD (an old one at that, 900 mhz) that doesn't have a freezing issue so I don't think its the AMD processor itself but hey what do I know?

toastgodsupreme

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13 Jun 2005 at 14:40 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Night

I am curious so see if the freezing is due to either overclocking or improper cooling, ie Heat Sync fan not working properly (not just not working but working below the RPM's that it should), the Heat sync and fan are so cluttered in dust that it looks like a grey christmas in there, or improper case air flow again due to clogging the vents with dust (I am amazed at the number of machines I get in that are encrusted in dust. Its as if folks are blind to the fact that they have about 6 inch of grey crap hanging all over their machine) or the machine itself is in poorly venillated area. GW's is a graphic intensive app so it may be the first time any of these issues arise. I have 1 machine with an AMD (an old one at that, 900 mhz) that doesn't have a freezing issue so I don't think its the AMD processor itself but hey what do I know?

Well, I can tell you that I do take care of my machine. I have filters on my intakes (god knows I need to clean those soon), and I keep my heatsink clean as well. I'm using a Thermalright SP-97 (MASSIVE heatsink, sweet as all shit). Proc temps under load never go above 107 F.

This coupled with an Nforce2 based motherboard, 3 sticks of ram totalling 1Gb (2 matched, one a 512 of the same brand).

I can also say that there are just some combinations of hardware that will REFUSE to work based on my experiences. I dealt with the Infinite Loop error back in the day on many systems I worked on (I'm in tech support/repair). Not everything will work together 100% and no drivers or tweaking will help that.

Algren Cole

Banned

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13 Jun 2005 at 14:41 - 15

AMD64 3000+ OC'd on an Asus A8V Deluxe MB and a Volcano 7 Heatsink....no freezes due to anything other than graphic lag since I refuse to run the game any lower than 1600x1200

Vertical_Zer0

Academy Page

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Ohio

Aiwevorn Tirith

R/Mo

13 Jun 2005 at 15:03 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morat

probably more to do with the number of overclockers who are getting freezes....

If you knew what you were talking about, you definately wouldn't have said this. I'm overclocked without a single problem, as are most of my friends. Read up before you post nonsense like that.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

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14 Jun 2005 at 08:10 - 17

AMD64 3000+.
Zero freezing or crashing.

Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

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Uk, England.

E/Mo

14 Jun 2005 at 11:02 - 18

Athlon 2400+ and XP here also.

Personally, I think there are any number of things wrong when playing this game, and for some reason it appears to have brought them to the surface.

This could be anything from Heat, CPU, PSU to drivers and software running on the PC that has some sort of error, even spyware and viruses could be causing a problem.

I have several pieces of old kit lying around and I'm going to test it all out soon. It's all AMD too with various cards, so will be interesting to see how this game performs on these systems once I get it up and running. Stay tuned.

Boubou

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Quebec, Canada

L'ordre [LO]

Mo/W

14 Jun 2005 at 11:27 - 19

I'm running a Amd64 3000+ (not overclocked) with XP sp2 and no crash.

Numa Pompilius

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At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

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14 Jun 2005 at 16:48 - 20

No crashes normally BUT when it was unusually hot a few days ago, and the sun was shining on the case, the computer reset. I've seen the overheat protection of the AMD cpu before, while overclocking, and this was exactly the same.

I think it might be quite a lot of truth in that people with heat problems, e.g. due to overclocking, get crashes - this game is as stressful to the system as they come.

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

14 Jun 2005 at 17:19 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

No crashes normally BUT when it was unusually hot a few days ago, and the sun was shining on the case, the computer reset. I've seen the overheat protection of the AMD cpu before, while overclocking, and this was exactly the same.

I think it might be quite a lot of truth in that people with heat problems, e.g. due to overclocking, get crashes - this game is as stressful to the system as they come.

I run an AMD64 3000+ with a hardcore overclock. I also run an AMD XP 1600+ AGOIA Core at 2.2 GHZ...this game taxes your system..if you're overclocked and don't have solid cooling, you should consider turning it down.

I agree this could be a large part of the problem

kkl

Ascalonian Squire

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Fool of Fate (FOF)

E/R

14 Jun 2005 at 18:04 - 22

used to run 2500 barton a week ago.. no freeze at all.. . small grafix lag cuz i often runs in windows mode so i can have MSN ICQ on my other screen at 2048x768
same screen set up now.. with AMD64 3200+ and XP64... no freeze either...
only xp64 is a bitch to get it run with the problem of lack of drivers for some small hardwares..
but ... no freeze at all in GW... both cases..
I say check your driver.. and your os.. i doubt it has anything to with with the cpu itself..

Loviatar

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14 Jun 2005 at 18:15 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vertical_Zer0

If you knew what you were talking about, you definately wouldn't have said this. I'm overclocked without a single problem, as are most of my friends. Read up before you post nonsense like that.

note

the official Anet word is that overclockimg issues are the number one cause of GW crashes

riflex

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Bothell, WA

A/Rt

14 Jun 2005 at 18:27 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

note

the official Anet word is that overclockimg issues are the number one cause of GW crashes

Where on Earth did you read that??? I would agree that in general overclocking could be the reason for application crashes, but not just GuildWars.

AMD64 3800+ @ 2.53GHz
MSI K8N neo4 SLi/platinum
eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra

85+ fps @ [email protected], everything maxed out. NO crashes/freezes, even though CPU is overclocked. So, ha! It's not overclocking.

In my opinion, number one cause of crashes/freezes in games is outdated drivers for video card and/or motherboard. Some people stick with the drivers from install CDs they got with their computers and, especially if they want to play a new game like GW, they think that the game should run just fine. Well, to all such people, I say - it shouldn't! I would suggest to update ALL your drivers.

Loviatar

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14 Jun 2005 at 18:32 - 25

[QUOTE=riflex]Where on Earth did you read that???
QUOTE]

actually i should have said predominent -sorry about that chief

Gaile Gray
ArenaNet

Overclocking is one of the predominant reasons we get pinged for customer or technical support. As Loviatar said, you don't gain that much, but you really press a system that is working hard to try to work even harder. What does that get you? Heat! And for a game as graphically complex as Guild Wars, heat is always a reality. Increase heat, you're more likely to see random crashes and mysterious glitches of all kinds.

Vertical_Zer0

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Ohio

Aiwevorn Tirith

R/Mo

14 Jun 2005 at 20:03 - 26

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

Quote:

Originally Posted by riflex

Where on Earth did you read that???
QUOTE]

actually i should have said predominent -sorry about that chief

Gaile Gray
ArenaNet

Overclocking is one of the predominant reasons we get pinged for customer or technical support. As Loviatar said, you don't gain that much, but you really press a system that is working hard to try to work even harder. What does that get you? Heat! And for a game as graphically complex as Guild Wars, heat is always a reality. Increase heat, you're more likely to see random crashes and mysterious glitches of all kinds.

As a matter of fact, you can gain a LOT if you know what you're doing. Again, if you know what you're doing, you can make a stable OC with no problems. Unfortunately, few people on this forum are intelligent enough to pull that off. Overclocking is an art best left to people who know what's going on. I'm sorry to hear that you get a lot of customer support problems due to overclocking, but it's really due to the fact that people are simply uneducated and, generally (to put it bluntly), dumb.

Dyeeo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego

Lost Children

E/Mo

15 Jun 2005 at 01:24 - 27

FX-53 on XP32 not overclocked

Insane amount of crashes in character creation.

Almost no crashes anywhere else.

riflex

Academy Page

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Bothell, WA

A/Rt

15 Jun 2005 at 01:53 - 28

People with equipment that cannot take such heat shouldn't even try overclocking since it won't improve their framerates, not a single fps.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

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15 Jun 2005 at 02:19 - 29

Overclocking is just unnecessary IMO. I have to agree with Anet on this.

People overclock for kicks and bragging rights.

Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

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Uk, England.

E/Mo

15 Jun 2005 at 09:43 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaglorD

Overclocking is just unnecessary IMO. I have to agree with Anet on this.

People overclock for kicks and bragging rights.

There is nothing wrong with Overclocking if people know what they are doing as mentioned by Vertical_Zer0. There are components out there that can be overclocked to compete with there more expensive brothers which saves people money and means they can squeeze extra power out of there machines.

Ok, some do it for kicks, which is no different to some case modders too. But they also do it, because they enjoy playing with there Tech and seeing what they can push there machine too. Also, I kinda think a Case Modded too, looks a lot more exciting than some boring looking Grey or Cream Brick under the desk.

There are modders in every field. Do you think those guys/girls who go around and completely mod there cars are wasting there time and only doing it for kicks. Maybe so, but they do it for fun too and some look really good.

As far as I'm concerned, they don't bother me and if they want to do it, all well and good. The only problem I have with OC, is the fact that some machine builders don't tell you the equipment has been OC'd and try and sell you a 2400+ that is really an 1800+ and charge you the extra.

I think there needs to be some hard coding in the processor that tells the OS that the Chip is in fact an 1800+ so that Machine Builders can't sell OC'd gear without saying so.
I know if I don't set my Mobo settings right, my 2400+ becomes an 1800+ due to clock settings etc until I have set the correct options in the BIOS.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

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15 Jun 2005 at 09:54 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkiess

There is nothing wrong with Overclocking if people know what they are doing as mentioned by Vertical_Zer0. There are components out there that can be overclocked to compete with there more expensive brothers which saves people money and means they can squeeze extra power out of there machines.

First, many ppl do not know what they're doing as evidenced by the Anet being bombarded by these overclockers about stability issues.

Second, a lot of these ppl who overclock have no need to do so since they already own decent video card/CPUs, which is why I said it's unnecessary.

It's not as if decent hardware is all that expensive...I tend to agree with Anet rather than posters like you and whoever.

Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Uk, England.

E/Mo

15 Jun 2005 at 10:02 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaglorD

First, many ppl do not know what they're doing as evidenced by the Anet being bombarded by these overclockers about stability issues.

Second, a lot of these ppl who overclock have no need to do so since they already own decent video card/CPUs, which is why I said it's unnecessary.

It's not as if decent hardware is all that expensive...I tend to agree with Anet rather than posters like you and whoever.

Funny how you just point out that part of my Post and not the rest of the post.

In my opinion, there are a lot of problems and I don't think it's all to do with Overclocking. It seems very strange that problems keep being found right after GW updates, and this is whether it's OC'd or not.

I don't disagree with Anet either. However, the same could be said about anything on anyones PC here, and there are a lot of PC Configs out there.

Why would a rollback of GPU Drivers cause the game to start working?
Why would a reinstall of GW cause the game to start working?
Why would disabling certain hardware cause GW to start working?
Why would turning of certain features in the BIOS cause GW to start working?

Lets just blame it all on the Overclockers and not point anything at Anet regarding GW coding, network issues etc etc.

There are so many PC config issues out there, pointing it just at OVerclockers is just plain stupid and shows a lack of experience and evidence on your part.

riflex

Academy Page

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Bothell, WA

A/Rt

15 Jun 2005 at 22:37 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkiess

Funny how you just point out that part of my Post and not the rest of the post.

In my opinion, there are a lot of problems and I don't think it's all to do with Overclocking. It seems very strange that problems keep being found right after GW updates, and this is whether it's OC'd or not.

I don't disagree with Anet either. However, the same could be said about anything on anyones PC here, and there are a lot of PC Configs out there.

Why would a rollback of GPU Drivers cause the game to start working?
Why would a reinstall of GW cause the game to start working?
Why would disabling certain hardware cause GW to start working?
Why would turning of certain features in the BIOS cause GW to start working?

Lets just blame it all on the Overclockers and not point anything at Anet regarding GW coding, network issues etc etc.

There are so many PC config issues out there, pointing it just at OVerclockers is just plain stupid and shows a lack of experience and evidence on your part.

Agreed, but let's not forget that Anet is not getting nearly enough profit off GW to roll out extremely stable/large/good updates every week due to them being nice and not charging $15 a month. Also, not ALL people are having problems with GW updates (me, for example), and since they are not able to test for all the unique hardware configurations out there, some of them will obviously experience problems.

Vertical_Zer0

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Ohio

Aiwevorn Tirith

R/Mo

15 Jun 2005 at 23:50 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by riflex

Agreed, but let's not forget that Anet is not getting nearly enough profit off GW to roll out extremely stable/large/good updates every week due to them being nice and not charging $15 a month. Also, not ALL people are having problems with GW updates (me, for example), and since they are not able to test for all the unique hardware configurations out there, some of them will obviously experience problems.

They're not getting enough profit?!?!?!?! Where did you learn this? How do YOU have access to Anet's financial data where the rest of us do not? Oh please do tell us of your proficient knowledge!

Show us some backup or leave your post entirely unfounded.