Rune Traders, Yay or Nay ?

aeroclown

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

My personal Opinion on the matter is that they ruined the entire market and not only the market for runes but the point of runes.

Runes were ment to be hard to find and difficult to recover. What is point of buying an expert salvage kit or locating runes if for a mere 120 gp I can buy some of the rune my characters can use. Hell even a superior is going for 2k. Why waste our time with salvaging runes, if we can buy them for less then it cost to locate and salvage them.

Beyond the simple point that they unlock options in pvp characters runes have become worthless.

CAT

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

KOREA

Slash Rank[DeeR]

R/Me

the simple point that they unlock options in pvp characters runes

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

Well, now it's easy for me to unload the less popular runes, and I can get a "fair market" price for the ones I want to sell. I found a major fire rune yesterday. I haven't decided whether or not I want to use it, due to the health hit. I have a major vigor that helps offset the cost of my major energy storage. But 2 majors? I don't think it's worth the decreased hp, especially when I'm one element for all of about a week. I'm constantly using my refund points and changing things. But the first thing I did when I got it was check the trader. I can unload it quick for about 3k.

Deppas Deppas

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/E

rune trader's are crap! trying to sell my superior fast casting, its going for less than 1k at trader!!!!! perty soon minors are going to be better than superiors!
totaly agree when the runes should be hard to find.

The Pope

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I like it. Finding them is boring.

Heron Fensbanel

Heron Fensbanel

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Here and there.

R/Mo

I like it. My characters feel competent now.

Than

Than

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

UGLY

Me/N

Yes and no. While I tire of keeping runes around in a vain hope that I will eventually be able to sell them, I want to sell them for more then 25 gc. Especially the Majors.

And it seems no one in my guild wants me runes either. I literally can't give these bastards away.

theclam

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

What's the point of selling them for more if the main reason for getting cash is to get runes? Personally, I think that it makes the game more fun for those of us who don't want to farm. I don't want to see runes turn into SoJs.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Yay for concept, nay for the crazy low prices for major runes, etc.

They should have a price that major runes cannot be under (say 500) and for superior (1k?)

Darc.Syde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Spirits Of War

Me/Mo

some superiors suck, and that's why they cost/sell for so little.

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Yeah, who really wants superior strength or beast mastery

King of Fools

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

south korea

Angels of Anarchy

W/R

i hate dealing with the clowns hoarding, driving up the prices, and scamming newbs. i sell all my runes to the trader just because its easy. i have no patience for bartering.

the ppl who complain the most were selling gold to IGE.

femto

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

i dont mind the rune traders, its actually making it a lot easier to get through the game with my second PvE character. I just wish I could have gotten some kind of warning before this happened because right before the patch I was whoring superior runes like there was no tomorrow (just cause I finally had the money to buy them from people) and planned on selling them for higher prices and get RICH! but guess what, that superior strength rune I just bought for 12k is worth about as much as a bleached carapace now =/


EDIT: and yeah I know there probly was a heads up on the whole rune trader thing on the official GW website or somethin, but I'm lazy and would prefer some ingame notices or somethin instead

Selena_Lionheart

Selena_Lionheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Nova Alliance [Nova]

R/

I love the rune trader, its really helped to settle the economy, which was quickly becoming rune based.

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

but have you check the prices for major runes or different type of runes that is being brought; some of them cost at least 1 plat or more. If rune trader did something is to make people wanting to get much gold as possible to buy those runes (than again, what the difference before the traders when you got people spamming msg for major runes +20 armors, max hammer skills for 10k or 10 platinum or any other runes for high price)

Aaaaagh

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Im all for the rune trader because Im impatient. Now, when I want to switch out my skills, or make a new char, I just go to the rune trader rather than sitting in LA dist 1 or Asc dist 1 for 2 hours trying to get the right crap.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Yay *_*

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

The rune trader also auto-adjusts it's price. The more often a particular rune is bought, the higher it's price, also the more it'll give you if you sell it a rune. Minor beastmastery, 25gp, minor marksmanship probably 300gp or so.

PieXags

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

I don't like it. Runes weren't difficult to get in the first place, any rune I'd ever needed, EVER, I could get from a guildmate and/or find relatively quickly in Lion's Arch from someone, and not for a high price even. Now people find runes and want to sell them and nobody wants to buy them because they can just get them from the trader. So when the guy wants to go sell it to the rune trader he gets 25g for it. Wow, that's a profit. You can find a staff in less than 3 minutes that sells for more than the rune that took you 9 hours to find.

They do, however, even out the economy.

One thing that bothers me though---before hand, PvP people who wanted runes had to go unlock them in PvE. PvE people who wanted to use them in PvP had to go get them as well. Now the PvE people can buy them and use them on that character for PvP. And the PvP people would still need to unlock them on their own for the PvP characters since they don't use the PvE characters for PvP...am I right on this or did I miss something? Because to my knowledge buying from the rune trader does not unlock for PvP.

Then again...I don't really care. I only use two minor runes anyway. The superiors aren't worth the health decrease, and since superior vigors are so high in price you can't even it out. And now since runes sell for a crap price at the rune trader you can't get the money to buy them that way. Might I add that I've unlocked a total of 3, now 3. (Two up until last night where I unlocked my 3rd), and NONE of them salvaged. How screwed up is that? I'm just doomed to get screwed, I know it. That's got to be it.

They're alright. I'm just unlucky.

cyberzomby

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

Netherlands

The Heroics

N/Me

yes i like it in a certain way. Because now you got a nice price check, as with the dyes and the materials. Only negatif thing is that the whole concept of runes being rare and hard to find is wasted. But i still like it when i find them and salvage them when i can.

Klael

Klael

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

Singapore

Its all demand and supply. The more popular runes are still going for sky-high prices. I like the trader. No more paying for over inflated prices because you can't find people to buy from.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

rune traders is a good idea, but in my view the implementation of it sucks because the prices the traders pay to you is a total scam

triggerhappy

triggerhappy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Germany (GMT+1)

n/a

R/Me

yay, but...well, i like them. i had some runes and noone wanted to buy them. sure, there might have been people interested, but after 10mins of advertising my goods in a major town i got bored. the trading via boards doesn't seem to work very well either. so i am glad to have a possibility to sell some runes and check the market prices. though i also think that the 25g you get for some runes is a joke. on the other hand, it's just the way the market works.

what i dislike about the rune traders is that it might make the game too easy especially post-searing. not only weapons but also runes now can be bought for a fairly low price right from the start. i guess a min-price wouldn't be that bad.

also there's one point i am not sure about: can you re-salvage runes from the armor you equipped with it? i never tried that since i don't want to waste any armor/rune. if so, what about changing it, so that minor runes always get destroyed? since there are so many runes around you could get some out of the game that way.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

The ambassador of the Ithkul empire votes: Yay!

john little

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

UK, EU Server

And All That Could Have Been [AATC]

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by triggerhappy
also there's one point i am not sure about: can you re-salvage runes from the armor you equipped with it? i never tried that since i don't want to waste any armor/rune. if so, what about changing it, so that minor runes always get destroyed? since there are so many runes around you could get some out of the game that way.
at the moment you have a chance to salvage runes out of armour (its not garunteed). I'm certaintly glad it's like that, I've managed to keep my superior vigor through 3 sets of armour... i couldn't care less about minors, they are almost throwaway items you equip to every available piece of armour now, but re-salvaging is important for the more expensive runes otherwise their price would escalate even further.

Cymmina

Cymmina

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by triggerhappy
can you re-salvage runes from the armor you equipped with it? i never tried that since i don't want to waste any armor/rune.
You could in beta. I never tried because the runes I wanted weren't exactly dropping like candy, and I didn't want to waste them on 30 AR gear that I'm upgrading in a few levels anyway.

I think the pricing is dumb. Unlike dye, there isn't enough market for runes to keep the prices stable, except for vigor and absorption runes (superior vigor was 100 platinum last I checked). It's kinda sad that dyes are more common than major runes, yet dyes have a higher base price for buying and selling. You're better off hoping you get a rare salvage for linen/silk/leather squares/steel instead of a rune at this point. The economy may have stabilized (which is always a good thing), but the prices are too low for their relative scarcity.

Though, one advantage of the Wal-Mart prices is that now PvP characters only have to throw away a few hundred gold to buy a few minors/majors they may have had trouble unlocking in PvE.

Druadan Winterblade

Druadan Winterblade

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Manchester, England

Brotherhood of Avalanche

R/N

There's good and bad to it. I like being able to just go to a trader and pick up my minors that I couldn't salvage from my last set of armour, but it leaves a big hole inside where the entire idea of finding runes from enemies' armour was. I liked that - it was a nice little facet to the game.

As is always with online RPGs, the short-term good changes that hurt the game in the long-run will always be implemented over the long-term good changes that annoy a few new/inexperienced/complaining RPGers in the short-term.

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

Yay is All i can say

JPong

JPong

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Canada

Death Pod

Mo/Me

I like the rune traders since I don't have time to farm. It gives people a place to spend their gold where it leaves the economy.

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

They pull a bunch of rents out of the economy, and make it easier to get what you need. I like the trader on those grounds. It's still a pain to unlock the runes you need, but I get the feeling that Anet is not going to fix that particular grind anytime soon.

Perhaps the rune trader will convince more people to sell unided runes in town?

Peace,
-CxE

Luggage

Luggage

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

sweden

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensign
Perhaps the rune trader will convince more people to sell unided runes in town?
Yea - they should be able to figure out that they get more than 25g for unided runes now.

Just wonder how long it will take them to figure it out.

Andy06r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

I like the rune trader because it removes a lot of money from the game instead of moving gold around players. By pinning runes to supply and demand, the prices will be held in check and wont rise to huge, gouging amounts. Because the runes are so cheap, they are currently easy to buy up which drives the price up. I'd say just give it a week or two for the prices to stablize, which they will when people decide its too expensive to keep buying them and the chances of someone selling a lot of the same rune to drive the price back down to nothing is slim because they are hard to find in the field.

A yes for removing money from the game and pinning the runes to a value, but a no for current prices (which will hopefully rise)

Mordeth Lestalk

Mordeth Lestalk

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Trapped in the Land of the Free.

E/W

I think A-Net needs to implement all the new merchants at the same time, they keep messing up the economy.

Edit: Spelt "I" Wrong.

Evan The Cursed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Nay.

It'd be one thing if each item had a min/max price, but every rune's price is totally out of whack now.

Tuna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Horizons

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymmina
I think the pricing is dumb. Unlike dye, there isn't enough market for runes to keep the prices stable, except for vigor and absorption runes (superior vigor was 100 platinum last I checked). It's kinda sad that dyes are more common than major runes, yet dyes have a higher base price for buying and selling. You're better off hoping you get a rare salvage for linen/silk/leather squares/steel instead of a rune at this point. The economy may have stabilized (which is always a good thing), but the prices are too low for their relative scarcity.
For this reason I think they should've made it a rune merchant rather than a run trader. Prices scew the same if you buy it from the trader or from other people. Set prices is what is really needed.

Edit: Merchants sell for a fixed price ie: expert salvage for 400.

Narcissus

Narcissus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

North Carolina, USA

Evolution

Me/A

Yay. Love it.

Nazutul

Nazutul

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Or Die Trying

Mo/W

I feel it will stabilize the market. If a rune trader is selling x rune at y price, then people will be forced to compete with the trader by selling runes at a price z, which means z will be < y.

So when people are always selling runes for less than traders, we will see true competition in the "rune market".

wgregory87

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

North Vancouver

TYSN

Mo/W

I love it because A) most of the time when you find a rune you can't use no one will want to buy it and B) most of the time when you want a rune no one will have it at town and C) it does NOT ruin the market because it keeps current with the runes' values. Tell me how selling superior vigors for 90plat is ruining the market?

If anything it disallows noobs from getting ripped off by people selling their runes for way too much gold.

Jimbodan

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Currently looking...

Nay and a little Yay, but mainly nay.

I like the fact that it's easier to buy runes and sell(but only for the popular runes)

It's BS that the rune trader gives you 25g for many major runes. I mean come on a bloody common ID Kit costs 100!!

Major/Superior Runes are rare and should be priced as such regardless if they are popular or not.

I say make the rune trader give a minimum of 500g for Majors and 2k for Superiors.

Also if the rune trader is offering you crap like 25g don't take it. Either sell it to a merchant for the same 25g or to another player for less then the rune trader is charging them. If everyone simply refused to sell runes at the crap prices the trader offers they would raise the prices.

Draven Mauler

Draven Mauler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

ION

Mo/N

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Do we not remember those days!? The rune trader is good on a level no other good can be for this economy. Do you people not see the gouging going on around you? The only people that don't stand to benefit from this are gold sellers. Yeah, I know 25g sucks. I was excited to salvage a major rune for a job i dont use, then cried when the mean bad rune trader dude only offered 135g for it. But I still cant complain and if you think it thru neither can you. You salvaged a rune you and your buds dont need. So you go to the trader and get very little for it. In reality the rune was worthless to you if you couldnt use it. So weigh out the options:
1. Price Gouging which hurts you as much as the next guy.
2. Computer Programmed Supply and Demand Calculations.

I prefer number two and I think you do, but just havent realized it yet.