what i am saying is that if you ban "we tod ID" then idiot sevant shoudl be banned as well but it has not been.
that is a fact not implication
To continue my point...
salja Wachi
Diplo
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Your point is no more 'right' than Caca-Cola. I've seen alot of children use 'retarted' in ways which it would not be 'mentally handicapped'.
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chpmmttn
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Great!
The saying 'retarded' no longer means mentally challenged either. It means something that someone dislikes and is a way to portray it. Such as 'man that show was retarded, the plot line was stupid and the character acting horrible.' Now, we all know that the show cannot be mentally challenged. Thus proving my point of how retarded has changed in the vernacular. Thus the name should be unbanned. |
Even if it was not meant that way by the person choosing the name (it is an old joke after all and maybe they didn't understand it) it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it.
If I decide to use the name Gay Basher, would that be ok? He's a happy character and he likes to bash things. So it's perfectly fine, right?
Nim
So if he named himself just plain "Retarded" everyone would say there is nothing wrong with that?
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Plus I actualy know a mentally challenged person. He's pretty cool, he ate lunch with me and my friends from time to time at school.
And he didn't say 'retarded' like we todd id, he said retarded like anyone else.
And he even used the name to show dissapproval of something.
Hmmm!
CHP: Sure.
chpmmttn
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Rasp
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The name "we todd id" mocks the slurred speech of people with mental retardation. There is no way to get around that it is meant to be offensive to these people.
Even if it was not meant that way by the person choosing the name (it is an old joke after all and maybe they didn't understand it) it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it. If I decide to use the name Gay Basher, would that be ok? He's a happy character and he likes to bash things. So it's perfectly fine, right? |
As you said yourself, 'it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it'.
There's so many different names that could be used, and could be offensive to someone and not offensive to another. Just because it isn't offensive to you, because it's 'socially accepted' where you live, doesn't mean the same to everyone across the globe. I know for sure, if one my kids was an 'Idiot Savant' or mentally handicapped, I would not want see a guild with a name like that.
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then go complain about it. i'm sure you could get them banned.
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An example from your example. It'd be ok to ban 'Homosexual Basher' for obvious reasons, but 'Gay Basher' should not be banned, because 'gay' is socially accepted as multiple definitions?
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So if he named himself just plain "Retarded" everyone would say there is nothing wrong with that?
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He would need a last name too.
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So it's ok for Idiot Savants to roam free with an offensive name?
As you said yourself, 'it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it'. There's so many different names that could be used, and could be offensive to someone and not offensive to another. Just because it isn't offensive to you, because it's 'socially accepted' where you live, doesn't mean the same to everyone across the globe. I know for sure, if one my kids was an 'Idiot Savant' or mentally handicapped, I would not want see a guild with a name like that. |
LoneDust
Idiots Savants has two alpha tester, and a handful of fansite staff/contributors. There's no special connections between us and Arenanet.
Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious. The original poster made this thread for the sake of juvenile argument. Please get off the internet and grow up.
Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious. The original poster made this thread for the sake of juvenile argument. Please get off the internet and grow up.
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An example from your example. It'd be ok to ban 'Homosexual Basher' for obvious reasons, but 'Gay Basher' should not be banned, because 'gay' is socially accepted as multiple definitions?
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Caco-Cola
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Let Anet catch their own mistake.
Or if nothing else complain that they're not being just in their decisions and to ban iQ's guild name or un-ban We todd id.
But don't complain because of the names connotation. That's just being overly-sensitive and stupid.
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Mordeth Lestalk
If they get just 1 actual Mentally Retarded person in their guild i think they are in the clear. "He just wanted everyone to be warned before he joined their group." says Idiot Savant #13.
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Idiots Savants has two alpha tester, and a handful of fansite staff. There's no special connections between us and Arenanet.
Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious. The original poster made this thread for the sake of juvenile argument. Please get off the internet and grow up. |
I find it quite funny, your guild is "Idiot Savants" (we all know the definition by now), and your tag is iQ. You're not trying to be offensive though, it's just for laughs?
Granamyr
Being offended is a state of mind you choose to adopt. For some reason, when people jump on this forum, they don their super-sensitive skin and toe the ANet line. How many of you truly care about any name someone else uses?
If someone is so put off by the name We Todd ID, they'd have to spend their whole time complaining to ANet because you see worse every time you enter a populated zone. Go to the Temple of Ages after the US loses to Korea....the racial slurs are rampant. It's probably the same way in Korea when we do the same to them. Personally, I don't care and I don't know anyone else that does. If someone did care, they wouldn't be playing Guild Wars because it's everywhere.
ANet is being selectively hyper-sensitive in name banning. If the players were as thin-skinned as ANet has been, then the game would be taken off the shelves. I could just as easily say I am offended by the in-game pentagrams and use of the word "damn" and "hell" within the game's script. Show me the person that is offended by We Todd Id and I'll show you an inconsistent hypocrite.
If someone is so put off by the name We Todd ID, they'd have to spend their whole time complaining to ANet because you see worse every time you enter a populated zone. Go to the Temple of Ages after the US loses to Korea....the racial slurs are rampant. It's probably the same way in Korea when we do the same to them. Personally, I don't care and I don't know anyone else that does. If someone did care, they wouldn't be playing Guild Wars because it's everywhere.
ANet is being selectively hyper-sensitive in name banning. If the players were as thin-skinned as ANet has been, then the game would be taken off the shelves. I could just as easily say I am offended by the in-game pentagrams and use of the word "damn" and "hell" within the game's script. Show me the person that is offended by We Todd Id and I'll show you an inconsistent hypocrite.
Caco-Cola
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Life's not fair, people aren't always nice. Grow up and leave the internet before you find something that completely blows your mind.
Diplo
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It's stupid to say one name that's offensive should be banned, and another name that's equally offensive should not be banned.
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No, don't. Complaining to get others names banned for no reason other than it bursts your illusions of the world being a perfect place is pretty retarded.
Let Anet catch their own mistake. Or if nothing else complain that they're not being just in their decisions and to ban iQ's guild name or un-ban We todd id. But don't complain because of the names connotation. That's just being overly-sensitive and stupid. Algren you've been implying that this whole freakin time. That's been the basis of your arguements - that words change over time - so yes, someone has said that. You did. Not directly, but you've implied it in every one of your posts that defend the term 'idiot savant'. |
that's because you people insist that you must take one stance or the other. I don't personally believe Idiot Savant should be banned...as it's a term used today to describe a person that excels in one thing and completely lacks any sort of knowledge in any other area. 'Gay Basher' is inherently malicious...the entire purpose of that name was to be offensive. The creator would have created the name with the sole intention of offending someone. The creators of Idiot Savants are merely saying "we excel at this one thing....everything else we are horrible at"...it wasn't inherently offensive.
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I could just as easily say I am offended by the in-game pentagrams and use of the word "damn" and "hell" within the game's script.
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I re-direct this to whoever reported the name 'We todd id'.
Life's not fair, people aren't always nice. Grow up and leave the internet before you find something that completely blows your mind. |
1) Change disctricts
2) Enter a zone
3) IGNORE IT.
If these people are so quick to 'taddle tell' on you in online game, I'd hate to be friends with them IRL.
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Idiots Savants has two alpha tester, and a handful of fansite staff/contributors. There's no special connections between us and Arenanet.
Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious. The original poster made this thread for the sake of juvenile argument. Please get off the internet and grow up. |
Nim
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Being offended is a state of mind you choose to adopt. For some reason, when people jump on this forum, they don their super-sensitive skin and toe the ANet line. How many of you truly care about any name someone else uses?
If someone is so put off by the name We Todd ID, they'd have to spend their whole time complaining to ANet because you see worse every time you enter a populated zone. Go to the Temple of Ages after the US loses to Korea....the racial slurs are rampant. It's probably the same way in Korea when we do the same to them. Personally, I don't care and I don't know anyone else that does. If someone did care, they wouldn't be playing Guild Wars because it's everywhere. ANet is being selectively hyper-sensitive in name banning. If the players were as thin-skinned as ANet has been, then the game would be taken off the shelves. I could just as easily say I am offended by the in-game pentagrams and use of the word "damn" and "hell" within the game's script. Show me the person that is offended by We Todd Id and I'll show you an inconsistent hypocrite. |
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Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious.
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Has this thread become a flame against Idiot Savants' name? If so, it's ridiculous. We Todd Id sounds like the slurred speech of a guy with a mental retardation, one can agree with Arenanet or not (I think a player who names himself like this needs no further comment, banning him will only advertise him, which is what just happened) but there's no coincidence here, the purpose of the phonetics is clear.
Idiot Savant is an elegant expression which implies positive and negative attributes. Idiot, meaning low IQ, Savant, meaning unlimited knowledge of something. It's ironic. A stupid genius. A clever dumb. Only uneducated people with serious problems in reading comprehension would argue about that, and be offended.
And please stop quoting the vocabulary, it's silly. For the same reason I could call you all gay because gay also means "very happy" and I'd be free to use the word bitch around because it also means "female of the dog".
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Retarded or We Tod Id, both names would be banned either way. Idiot Savants should be no different.
I find it quite funny, your guild is "Idiot Savants" (we all know the definition by now), and your tag is iQ. You're not trying to be offensive though, it's just for laughs? |
salja Wachi
the defination of idiot sevants is what it is.
no mater how much you debate it websters still defines it "this way"
so if we tod id is banned then yours whould be as well period
no mater how much you debate it websters still defines it "this way"
so if we tod id is banned then yours whould be as well period
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No one is as offended as ANet would have us believe with their name banning policy. If these people do exist, they're not playing Guild Wars. They're members of the ACLU and they're busy being offended by displays of a cross or of baby Jesus or someone saying "under God". There is no way to go through Guild Wars without being perpetually offended if something as harmless as We Todd ID makes you mad.
LoneDust
slightly off-topic:
Honestly, I don't care about that person who is offended by "we todd id". I only addressed Nim, the original poster, because I knew he'd read my response.
Personally I also agree with the fact that some people need to grow some skins and stop feeling offended whenever a in-game character breaks wind. However, I don't think these people are intelligent enough to understand that idea so I only wrote in response to what I consider stupid in this tread.
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I re-direct this to whoever reported the name 'We todd id'.
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Personally I also agree with the fact that some people need to grow some skins and stop feeling offended whenever a in-game character breaks wind. However, I don't think these people are intelligent enough to understand that idea so I only wrote in response to what I consider stupid in this tread.
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the defination
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no mater
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how much you debate it websters still defines it "this way
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so if we tod id is banned then yours whould be as well period
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Apart from your grammar, by which I could be offended as well, did you read my last post? Because I have the impression you didn't.
Eonwe
I feel like a celebrity!
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Spelling.
Spelling. Punctuation. Spelling and punctuation. Apart from your grammar, by which I could be offended as well, did you read my last post? Because I have the impression you didn't. |
I am in agreeance with you in that it's difficult to take someone who brutalizes the English language seriously...there really wasn't a need to point it out though.
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Spelling.
Spelling. Punctuation. Spelling and punctuation. Apart from your grammar, by which I could be offended as well, did you read my last post? Because I have the impression you didn't. |
Could you leave the spell checking for English class? Yet again, not everyone is from an English speaking country, not everyone is fluent in English, etc.I won't even bother with this anymore, simply too childish for me.
When I did a search through Ask Jeeves for Idiot Savant, I found this definition for it, provided by MSN Encarta.
an offensive term for somebody who has a psychiatric disorder or a learning problem but who is exceptionally gifted in one particular area, for example, rapid mental calculation, architectural drawing, or remembering facts
Either way, you can argue that it's not offensive to you, but it IS offensive to others. Just because it's 'socially accepted' where you are, doesn't mean it's 'socially accepted' all around the globe. You/I/Anyone can not say that it is not offensive, nor that it is offensive.
FrogDevourer
This is childish and pointless. Locked.
(no, I'm not from iQ)
(no, I'm not from iQ)