Is there going to be alot of ebaying in guild wars?
pulse62
You know, since guild wars is being published by NCsoft and NCsoft lets ebaying run rampant, i guess we can expect alot of ebaying going on in guild wars. ive basically given up my vendetta against ebaying, its all over games now. and I guess ill have to spend 30 bucks in guild wars to get anywhere in the game. But all is well, guild wars is a very fun game and i guess you make up for the spent money ebaying by having no monthly fee, right?
Soiled Egg Roll
Since Arena.net said their will be no "Uber" items, I don't think there will be too much ebaying. People will still do it, but soon they'll find out that it's not worth it. Arena.net has stated that they want to make a game that valued skill over time played, meaning they shouldn't have some "Super Atomic Bomb Sword" that only people who have played 999 hours can obtain.
Kityn
GW is Arenanets baby.I really don't think ebaying will be rampant as it is with other games.
Ensign
I see ebay having a lesser, but still significant role in Guild Wars than other games. There are still top notch, hard to find rares in the game, and as long as that's the case such items will have a noteworthy cash value.
The new unlocking system helps to fight this in many respects - each player has access to very good but not quite ideal weapons, which kills what would be a significant problem before it becomes one. On the other hand, it creates an ebay market for unidentified rares, particularly salvage items - I can see unidentified, rare Giant's Boots becoming a staple currency of sorts. Unlocking everything is going to be non-trivial, and people will clearly be looking for shortcuts.
How relevant this ends up being depends entirely on how scarce the top notch stuff ends up being. I have the feeling that the economy is going to be a work in progress up until and even after release. So I'll reserve judgement on the significance of ebay until I see what things look like in retail.
Peace,
-CxE
The new unlocking system helps to fight this in many respects - each player has access to very good but not quite ideal weapons, which kills what would be a significant problem before it becomes one. On the other hand, it creates an ebay market for unidentified rares, particularly salvage items - I can see unidentified, rare Giant's Boots becoming a staple currency of sorts. Unlocking everything is going to be non-trivial, and people will clearly be looking for shortcuts.
How relevant this ends up being depends entirely on how scarce the top notch stuff ends up being. I have the feeling that the economy is going to be a work in progress up until and even after release. So I'll reserve judgement on the significance of ebay until I see what things look like in retail.
Peace,
-CxE
Zfactor
There is no such thing as a game with no "uber" drops. The most rare drop is by nature the uber drop.
Dreamsmith
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Originally Posted by Zfactor
There is no such thing as a game with no "uber" drops. The most rare drop is by nature the uber drop.
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Lansing Kai Don
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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith
No, it's just the rarest drop. Demon Machine was a rarer drop in D2 than Buriza, but no one would say it was more uber. Uber has little if anything to do with rarity...
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uber:
The ultimate, above all, the best, top, something that nothing is better than
From urban dictionary, we're using it in the ultimate sense:
There are no real ultimate weapons in this game for example.
Lansing Kai Don
P.S. Instead of posting again, yes, taranis I did. But I think we use it differently for games (like dawg doesn't mean dog necessarily). I guess if you want to use it as over (say over), or if you want to use it as rare (say rare), but if you want to use it instead of Ultimate Beyond Even Recognition... then use uber to shorten it up a bit.
Taranis
Do you guys even know that "Über" is german and means Over?? Every MMORPG(yet CORPG) got ebay'ers, even if they're just selling accounts...
Dreamsmith
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Do you guys even know that "Über" is german and means Over??
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"Uber" can mean "over" and often does, but it can sometimes mean other things that would be better translated into English as some other word. The canonical example of this is Nietzsche's "ubermench", which would literally translate as "overman" but is often more understandably translated into English as "superman", which better captures the meaning (although unfortunately destroys the wonderful wordplay, puns and double entendres in Nietzsche's original text based on the different meanings of uber).
In the context of how "uber" is used by gamers, it's the "superior" meaning of "uber", not the "above" or "over" meaning.
Xellos
My rare axe has +1 energy on hit, but only -20 health. Uber right there for you.
Weezer_Blue
30 bucks to keep competitive? Nope. Let the other losers waist their money. I'll buy it in Lions Arch or I'll find it for myself.
Scizor
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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue
30 bucks to keep competitive? Nope. Let the other losers waist their money. I'll buy it in Lions Arch or I'll find it for myself.
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Xellos
I doubt uber items can be just "found" or "sold" to you. They are uber for a reason.
Inde
As it stands, the demand to shortcut time and simply buy you way up [items, armor, even characters] is always there, and many do it. The simple question is how effective can a company be in combatting it?
Weezer_Blue
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I doubt uber items can be just "found" or "sold" to you. They are uber for a reason.
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Daemon
Guaranteed, it is absolutely, most definitely, obviously going to happen. Heck, who would have thought Britney Spears' gum would go for 10k? But that's not what's in question. We all know it's going to happen. What we don't know is the degree. We know it will be low, as tradition is not the path Guild Wars follows, but how low and how pronounced remains to be seen. Perhaps it's best to not concern yourself with it's fecklessness and just enjoy the game for what it is, and will be.
Lunarhound
I can see certain types of people wanting to buy accounts that already have lots of weapons and skills unlocked. We already know there are plenty of players that want to avoid PvE altogether, and an account with nearly all the rare weapons and skills for an entire chapter (or two, or three) may be worth some money to someone like that, particularly since the lack of a monthly fee means it'd be a one-time cost.
Does this bother me a lot? In principle, yes, it disgusts me. But I'm not overly concerned about it ruining the game. These people won't be more powerful than anyone else, and they certainly won't be more skilled so it won't really throw the balance off. If anything, they'll just look like idiots and there's a good chance that many of the better guilds won't accept them if it becomes known that they're playing with an ebayed account.
As for items... I can see certain well-known "cool" items like the Dragon Sword selling pretty well, since there are some people who'll want the look without the time commitment, but I doubt it'll be as much of a problem as it is in other RPG's.
Does this bother me a lot? In principle, yes, it disgusts me. But I'm not overly concerned about it ruining the game. These people won't be more powerful than anyone else, and they certainly won't be more skilled so it won't really throw the balance off. If anything, they'll just look like idiots and there's a good chance that many of the better guilds won't accept them if it becomes known that they're playing with an ebayed account.
As for items... I can see certain well-known "cool" items like the Dragon Sword selling pretty well, since there are some people who'll want the look without the time commitment, but I doubt it'll be as much of a problem as it is in other RPG's.
Xellos
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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue
So in other words, without E-Baying, no one ever gets a hold of an "über" item? Anyone can tell you that you could run riverside for a couple hours with your guildies and easily pick up some very decent weaponry. Whether it's über or not? That depends on what you equip it with. Any decent bow with a Zealous String is über in my oppinion.
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Manderlock
bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive.
theres a heartbeat just nothen in tha noggen, i mean come on i dont care if its the "superduper lightsaber of doom" use your money on somthing worth while
theres a heartbeat just nothen in tha noggen, i mean come on i dont care if its the "superduper lightsaber of doom" use your money on somthing worth while
KainMagus
I am sure even in a world without uber weapons, some people will want to sell and or trade things like Gold, or resourses for crafting rather than haveing to hunt for wood, ores, runes and stuff. Basically lazy ass people will be doing all the ebaying. I imagine there will be a few decent items worth trading, but never worth spending real money on. 
Inde
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Originally Posted by Manderlock
bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive.
theres a heartbeat just nothen in tha noggen, i mean come on i dont care if its the "superduper lightsaber of doom" use your money on somthing worth while |
And then there is the counter argument of a 40 year old who has a husband [role reversal!] and two kids. No Ms. Jane could spend 5 hours trying to find the Lightsaber of Doom or, with her $50/hour job, spend $50 and simply buy it. What has more value here to Ms. Jane - her time and money?
Passing judgement on people who do ebay in grandoise fashion is not cool.
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by Inde
That is a silly argument and holds no water. If someone gleans pleasure out of somethign that 'does not exist' then let it be. There are quite a few things in life that are 'intangible', don't exist to most people, but are worth hard earned money and much a reason to live for.
And then there is the counter argument of a 40 year old who has a husband [role reversal!] and two kids. No Ms. Jane could spend 5 hours trying to find the Lightsaber of Doom or, with her $50/hour job, spend $50 and simply buy it. What has more value here to Ms. Jane - her time and money? Passing judgement on people who do ebay in grandoise fashion is not cool. |
the use of ebay from tha start is wrong it gos agins the EULA( er what ever tha crap its called) so therefore it is your agument that holds no water.
so sorry for pissen of a person in charge hope your not too mad
Inde
So let me get this straight - the EULA to you is the gospel of right and wrong? Did you even read my post and try to understand why people eBay etc?
Sheesh.
Sheesh.
Manderlock
yes i did read it or i wouldnt have replyed, no matter what the situation is it is still wrong if mis jane whats the sword she should have to work for it just like i would. i do think that you took my post too seriosly i didnt mean they should all face the axe just through that in 4 some humor. it doesnt matter what you or i think it is wrong
and yes i try and follow as many rules as i can
agin sorry if i made you mad
and yes i try and follow as many rules as i can
agin sorry if i made you mad
William of Orange
I'm going to agree with the people who say that the eBaying will occur, since there will definitely be a demand by those people who are too lazy to wait for good drops, or just want their loot now.
As for the whole "uber" talk, it all depends on playing style. Some people will have what the personally consider an "uber" sword, others might have an "uber" bow. Doesn't really matter, once you hit Level 20 what type of sword you have won't matter nearly as much as what build you're running/skills you're using.
While I don't agree with eBaying your way to good items, I wouldn't go so far as to say that "anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive." If that's how they want to spend their money, that's how they can spend their money. Whether or not others see it as a waste is irrelevant. I've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on video games/systems, computer upgrades, and Pop Tarts, and there are always people who would consider that spending a waste. So lets not get engrossed in that debate.
As for the whole "uber" talk, it all depends on playing style. Some people will have what the personally consider an "uber" sword, others might have an "uber" bow. Doesn't really matter, once you hit Level 20 what type of sword you have won't matter nearly as much as what build you're running/skills you're using.
While I don't agree with eBaying your way to good items, I wouldn't go so far as to say that "anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive." If that's how they want to spend their money, that's how they can spend their money. Whether or not others see it as a waste is irrelevant. I've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on video games/systems, computer upgrades, and Pop Tarts, and there are always people who would consider that spending a waste. So lets not get engrossed in that debate.
Manderlock
bah, i will agree that how people spend there money is there own buiseness, i will stand by my is wrong mind set however this argument is basicly two dif views, he wont convice me and i aint convicen him so ill just agree ta drop it
and sorry if i offended anyone with the "soulnd be alive" coment it was just my sorry ass atemped at making a funny
and sorry if i offended anyone with the "soulnd be alive" coment it was just my sorry ass atemped at making a funny
Lunarhound
I haven't read the full EULA so I don't know if anything about buying and selling in-game stuff is in there but if it is, that pretty much puts a lid on it, as far as I'm concerned. Whether you view a rule as "right" or "wrong" in is irrelevant. The EULA defines the game's rules and, as such, breaking them is cheating. I can argue all I want that not being able to touch the ball with my hands in soccer is "wrong" but my opinion on it doesn't change anything. You don't touch the ball in soccer because that's the way the game works. You don't bring real money into a virtual economy designed to revolve around virtual money for the same reason. The economy is just as much a part of the game as the battle system, and using real world resources in an attempt to get around it is cheating.
So, I suppose passing judgement on people who use hacks isn't cool either. If it's okay for someone to use outside resources (real world money) to dodge the limitations imposed by the game's economy because they have less time, then by the same token, it's okay for me to use outside resources (hacks) to dodge the limitations imposed by the game's combat system because I have less skill. Hacking and ebaying are two means to the same end: Attempting to circumvent parts of the game system that you find inconvenient. Cheating.
Yes, people are going to do it no matter what, just like they're going to devise cheat programs no matter what, but that doesn't make it okay.
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And then there is the counter argument of a 40 year old who has a husband [role reversal!] and two kids. No Ms. Jane could spend 5 hours trying to find the Lightsaber of Doom or, with her $50/hour job, spend $50 and simply buy it. What has more value here to Ms. Jane - her time and money?
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Yes, people are going to do it no matter what, just like they're going to devise cheat programs no matter what, but that doesn't make it okay.
BunnyMaster
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Originally Posted by Manderlock
use your money on somthing worth while
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) for the game and maybe paying for the upgrades?@Lunarhound:
I've been looking for some time now, but still haven't found the EULA/TOS for this game.
Cult_Of_One
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Originally Posted by Manderlock
bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive.
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Manderlock
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Sooo....you're buying the game right? Does anything in the game actually exist? Just checking, LOL
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i was gonna let sleeping dogs lie but thats just assinine
Cult_Of_One
...spending hard earned money to buy a game that contains nothing that physically exists. Do you see where you've contradicted yourself yet?
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by BunnyMaster
Like spending 50 USD (don't really know how much the game costs in USD, since I'm paying in UBER currency aka Euro
) for the game and maybe paying for the upgrades?@Lunarhound: I've been looking for some time now, but still haven't found the EULA/TOS for this game. |
i do see that as money well spent, and im not breaking any rules now am i
why are you looken for the EULA have you honestly seen 1 that alows ebay?
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by Cult_Of_One
...spending hard earned money to buy a game that contains nothing that physically exists. Do you see where you've contradicted yourself yet?
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no i am buying something i can hold in my hand where as if i go the ebay way i have nothing, stop and think before you post
KainMagus
I want one or all of you to define existance. Just the fact that you can buy it on ebay causes it to exist. Satisfaction is a manifestation of existance. Hardly any of the weapons are uber like in other games, so if you want to piss actual cash on them knock yourself out. Why not pay somone else to play the game for you? It's a game and if you don't enjoy playing it then why bother?
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by KainMagus
I want one or all of you to define existance. Just the fact that you can buy it on ebay causes it to exist. Satisfaction is a manifestation of existance. Hardly any of the weapons are uber like in other games, so if you want to piss actual cash on them knock yourself out. Why not pay somone else to play the game for you? It's a game and if you don't enjoy playing it then why bother?
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and i like the fact that you didnt resort to atacking people
Cult_Of_One
Kinda hard to argue with a dictionary definition Kain, lol. Anyways...I don't see the problem with someone spending their hard earned (or maybe not so hard earned) money on an item (or a bunch of items) that may (or may not) actually exist(by exist, I mean physically exist). What's the difference if I go to ebay and buy such item(s) with $$$, or I buy the game with $$$ and end up finding the very same item(s)? In the end, I'm still spending $$$ right?
Manderlock
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Kinda hard to argue with a dictionary definition Kain, lol. Anyways...I don't see the problem with someone spending their hard earned (or maybe not so hard earned) money on an item (or a bunch of items) that may (or may not) actually exist(by exist, I mean physically exist). What's the difference if I go to ebay and buy such item(s) with $$$, or I buy the game with $$$ and end up finding the very same item(s)? In the end, I'm still spending $$$ right?
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its about the economy, and keeping it stable
Daemon
ha ha POP TARTS! omfg....rotfl....lmao....lol....WUT A WASTE...YOU HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE OMG
...urm, uh *ahem* excuse me on that one...couldn't resist...Agreed that that is not a debate we should get into. It's safe to say that we are all correct in one way or another....*cough cough* oh no it's....hap..pen..ing ag....ain...
WTS GODLY GODSWORD OF GODLINESS PM ME
...ack...ok I'm done now...I swear...
...urm, uh *ahem* excuse me on that one...couldn't resist...Agreed that that is not a debate we should get into. It's safe to say that we are all correct in one way or another....*cough cough* oh no it's....hap..pen..ing ag....ain...
WTS GODLY GODSWORD OF GODLINESS PM ME
...ack...ok I'm done now...I swear...
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by Daemon
ha ha POP TARTS! omfg....rotfl....lmao....lol....WUT A WASTE...YOU HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE OMG
...urm, uh *ahem* excuse me on that one...couldn't resist...Agreed that that is not a debate we should get into. It's safe to say that we are all correct in one way or another....*cough cough* oh no it's....hap..pen..ing ag....ain... WTS GODLY GODSWORD OF GODLINESS PM ME ...ack...ok I'm done now...I swear... |
KainMagus
i dont know about you guys and girls, but if im going to spend actual cash money on a "sword" its going to be a real one and im going to chop real people on the train with it but thats just me 
I dont know that this is the kind of game that the economy is easy to ruin, as items only help players a little bit. I like the idea of being able to purchase craft items and dyes, things that anyone could find but it takes time, somtimes alot of repetitive time, but i am not about to ever buy any in game item with cash. then again i did buy a second preorder pack and open a new account so i could get that damn bow cause I got the best buy one before i knew %@#@$
I dont know that this is the kind of game that the economy is easy to ruin, as items only help players a little bit. I like the idea of being able to purchase craft items and dyes, things that anyone could find but it takes time, somtimes alot of repetitive time, but i am not about to ever buy any in game item with cash. then again i did buy a second preorder pack and open a new account so i could get that damn bow cause I got the best buy one before i knew %@#@$