Why do pvpers want everything on a plate

Spike

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

In front of my PC

Kai

E/Mo

Why do pvp players want everything handed to them on a plate and not have to do anything to "earn" them? Even them i'm sure they would find something to complain about.

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Not every PvPer does, I'm quite sure plenty of them still want the feeling of earning it, but they don't want to go through PvE as in their opinion it could be boring as hell. The people who do want everything handed to them on a plate though are just like that, they were brought up with the mentality that there will always be someone there to take you through the hard part if they couldn't do it initially. Ignore those people, they're not worth it.

Mumblyfish

Mumblyfish

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Blighty

Kansas City Hotsteppers [KCHS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike
Why do pvp players want everything handed to them on a plate and not have to do anything to "earn" them? Even them i'm sure they would find something to complain about.
I'm not a PvP player, per se, but I feel the same as the strictly competetive players do as regards the skill point system. I want "everything handed to me on a plate" because working for hour upon hour to unlock skills to try new combinations and builds with isn't fun. Guild Wars is, apparently, about always having fun. Victory earned with skill, not hours played. Playing the same areas over and over to earn skill points isn't having fun, and not being able to make the decks I want because I can only invest a few hours a day rewards time played over skill.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekkira
Not every PvPer does, I'm quite sure plenty of them still want the feeling of earning it, but they don't want to go through PvE as in their opinion it could be boring as hell. The people who do want everything handed to them on a plate though are just like that, they were brought up with the mentality that there will always be someone there to take you through the hard part if they couldn't do it initially. Ignore those people, they're not worth it.
First off, you are bashing and trying to start a flame war.

Secondly, it isn't about "handing" on a platter. The game is meant to be about skill, at least that's what the ads say, yet it's about gear. For PvP to be meaningful there can be NO discrepancies in available materials/skills/attributes. That's the way competitions work, everyone starts on the same starting line, everyone starts with an equal setup. PvE isn't part of PvP and shouldn't be - I am not interested in the slightest in a competition to see who can collect stuff, only in playing vs another person.

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

I'm talking about the people that DO want everything handed to them. I'm not specifying or generalising, they are not PvEers, PvPers or a combination of both, they're just the whiners.

I agree though, you shouldn't have to do what you have to to unlock everything. UAU isn't the answer either. It should be challanging but not based on time consuming. If ArenaNet can work that one out, then we'd all be happy. Aside from the previous people who do just want everything handed to them. They're the scum of any game community.

Gildan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

'cos they is wimps...

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

remember there is this weeks update which is supposed to START making things more available in the game instead of farming.

remember this update is a start on that road and not the finished product.

deathwearer

deathwearer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Canada/Quebec

Silentum Altum

E/Mo

why do we always have that topic? =|

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

I sure would appreciate it if there was something to look forward to though, instead of being kept in the dark. I mean, if it's good I wont complain either way, but if they gave us an idea what they're working on implementing, they could get feedback on how it would be nice to be done from the players so they have a range of ideas they can choose from like a player base brainstorm session.

Of course it'd ultimately be ArenaNet's decision on what's final, but the people who say ANet don't care because they've got our money anyway are very wrong indeed. Even if all they cared about was making money, they now have to keep themselves proven to the fan base enough for them to buy the expansion. Keep the system as it is now, and they'll lose a lot of buyers, change it to UAU and you'll also lose a lot of buyers. What a horrid situation.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekkira
I sure would appreciate it if there was something to look forward to though, instead of being kept in the dark. .
they did and i am looking forward to the next few updates

they are going to impliment (successfully i hope) getting things in the game propper instead of having to farm them

however you are right as no details were given

EnDinG

Keyboard + Mouse > Pen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/W

*Jabs his finger into the middle of the post.*

And right here we have some text saying "Be nice."?

OHH! =) No flames please guys if this topic keeps rollin'. Thankies.

*EnDEdit*
Just figured I'd mention it since this COULD lead to some very very... Bad and good views.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

It's not wrong to want "everything handed to them".

It's not whining. I am fine with working at acquiring stuff for PvE - in fact, it is too easy to pass good gear back and such. That's the RP side of it, and I think that's too easy. I don't want anything handed to me in PvE, and I don't like playing with folks too high for the zone I am in - if it is a level 12 mission it should be ~lvl 12 characters, not 2 * lvl 20s steamrolling it for their buddies.

OTOH, for PvP, it is a separate realm. I want everything unlocked for PvP, and for a good reason - so it is fair. I am one of the lucky ones; my FIRST rare drop was a beastmaster harness (IIRC, or a Dolyak cladding, it was in the northern shiverpeaks on a mission), unlocked a Superior Vigor. I didn't have to grind for one of the most useful runes out there. If I win a fight and have 10 health left when I beat my opponent, it would cheapen my win if he doesn't have one. I want my victories to be based on skill, and only skill. And I lose, too. I want my losses based on skill, not gear. I only have a few superiors unlocked (maybe 6 or so?), and not even all the majors yet. Having all skills, runes, items, armours etc available for PvP only doesn't cheapen the PvE experience at all.

For those who want to PvP within the PvE environment we need PvE only arenas - this satisfies all walks of life -

The pure PvPer gets his UAS and competes only with others on an equal footing. This ensures that wins really are wins and losses are losses, no complaints can be made about gear imbalances, and it is up to how you build, stregise and play - what PvP should be about.

The PvE player is unaffected, and can have more grind (and better PvE items if ANet choose to go that route), allowing for more item hunting/gathering without affecting the PvP only balance. They can compete with their PvE character in PvE arenas.

The PvE/PvP player can play PvE against other RP characters without worrying about the PvP skills, and can always choose to play in the PvP only arenas with a PvP character - since there is UAS etc... you can create a carbon copy of your PvE character to use in the PvP only (provided there are no items that are found in PvE only - so far there are not, but PvE only items could be fun, in the same way that there were "ladder-only" items in a certain other game)

Kha

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

Sorry guys, but this is just flamebait. There are already topics about this that have been well discussed and organized. No need to start a new one that comes off as insulting to the PvP crowd in general.

Closed.