Changing Your Secondary / Lack of Quests

There is one item in the game that I'd like to say is just too much grind. I've got an ascended monk, and an ascended mesmer. When I did the "Monk's Path" for my mesmer (to change the secondary), I was expecting that I'd have available all of the skills that my monk has unlocked. To my suprise, my list of monk skills was blank. A few comments:

- I suppose I can go back to Aceslon City and do the beginner's quests, but that seems like seriously unnecessary (and very boring) grind. I mean, beating lvl 7 monsters is, well, dumb.

- Some of the quests arn't available once you've done the secondary switch, for example "Helping the Dwarfs" in Yak's Bend. This makes it significantly harder to fill up your skill list.

- Buying the skills one-by-one is, well, serious grind; especially since I've already unlocked them with my other character.

The kicker is, I only did this so that I could use my mesmer in PvP (as a me/mo). So, I'm being forced to do a ton of grind to get the basic skills I want? Ouch. Perhaps you are only intended to use PvP only characters in PvP (or you have to be smart enough to pick the correct secondary at the very beginning).

Sorry if this is a duplicate thread; I looked, and didn't see anyone who hit on this topic.

I have not changed my secondary yet but plan to. Can someone clarify how this works?

I have an ascended N/Mo and a level 15 W/E. I want to change my warriors secondary to N or Mo. So if what the OP is saying is accurate, I will NOT have any of my M or N skills unlocked if I switch my secondary to one of these?

Effin' brutal.

Correct. For PVE characters you only have unlocked what that character has unlocked. You will have to obtain all your new secondary skills again, by quest, buying from trainers or capture, regardless of what your other PVE Character has unlocked.

Yea, that's grid, of the rather serious kind. I've dismissed the grind threads so far because I didn't see what they were talking about (a bit of grind is actually fun). However, this is just over-the-top. If I have two ascendended characters, Mo/Ra and an Me/El, there is no reason why I should not be able to "reskill" my Mo as a Mo/Me, for example, and use the skills I've unlocked. Having to spend my precious skill points on a basic skill I want, or doing a lvl 7 quest is just plain dumb. Instead, if I want an Mo/Me, I'd be better off having my guild-mates running me through ascention with a brand new lvl 4 character; and then going to play the exact quests for the skills I want as a lvl 20.

I would also like for ANet to look into this situation. I currently have a W/N that I've gotten all but 3 of the skills for. I currently have 2 capture signets and five skill points. To earn another skill point it costs me 30k experience since I'm currently at about 1.2M experience on my character.

If I want to change my secondary, I'd currently need about 20 skill points to keep myself versitile enough to make switching my secondary viaiable. That means 16 more skill points. 16 x 30K = 480K more experience. Now add in getting all the skills for a new secondary. Very costly, huh?

Now I'm too worried about the unlocks for a PvP character. I've got a Me/Mo and an El/Ra to get the unlocks done, but I don't enjoy playing these characters nearly as much as I love wacking things with a big stick with my warrior. I would really like to be able to switch this character's secondary out quite a bit depending upon my and my guild's need.

Once you do a quest you cant do it over if you change your secondary proffession i belive. So its just up to buying all the skills you need from the skill trainers, thats as easy as traveling to the towns to do so. Its not that terribly much grind, skill points are easy enough to come by.

How much experience do you have on your character? I'm a tad over 700,000 experience, and, IMO, that took a LOT of grind. I've acquired every Minor rune, nearly every Major (short 2), and 12 Superiors. And I still don't have every skill for my primary + original secondary, yet I'm out of skill points.

By 1.2M exp, I might be able to get every skill for my original combo, but getting the skills for the other 4 professions would require a lot more grinding than the first combo.

No, they aren't, that's the point. If you have taken the time to collect the skills, capturing Elites and so on so that you can try the various skill combos out you won't have many points left. Not enough to do a change to another class and collect enough skills.

And, not to mention, the space between skill points continues to increase. So, every skill you buy with skill points makes future skills more of a challenge.

I decided to change my secondary too. Now I wish I hadn't wasted all of those quests on ranger skills.

We already know there's 2 kinds of "unlocking". When you learn a skill, it unlocks it for all of your PVP characters, and it unlocks it for your current PVE character (in case you ever come back to that class for your secondary. So, when you do a quest that contains skills for 6 classes, it should give you the skills from your 2 current classes, unlock the skills for your 2 different classes for PvP, and lastly, unlock all of the skills (from all 6 classes) for that current PvE character. Or, they should simply allow us to do the quests again, minus the material rewards and xp.

Do you actually play the game, or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass to annoy everyone else? Skill points are NOT easy to come by. If you've only changed your secondary once, chances are you'll be fine for the most part, but the moment you change your secondary again you're going to find yourself grinding and grinding and grinding. I really wouldn't mind it if the skills you've unlocked with other characters would show up when you change your secondary, thus making it easier to adapt your character for PvP.

Even that level of grind seems excessive. I propose they simply enable all of the "unlocked" skills for that seconary. After my monk switches secondaries to a Me, that toon should have all of the secondary abilities that a new Mo/Me PvP character would have. I don't want to have to do any quests "again".

.. skill points are easy to come by.

Stop buying every skill and simply buy the ones you need.

My Necromancer has an array of skills from monk, mesmer, elementalist, and warrior, and I still have skill points to spare.

Well, I wouldn't really consider any of the experience I've gotten grinding. I've just played the game as it was designed to be played: Running the missions, doing the bonus quests, exploring, running around in Underworld and Fissure, and playing with my guild. My only goals were to have fun, and I've succeded greatly doing that.

However, now, I would like to see what running a W/E, W/Me, or W/Mo would like in PvE (I've already played these with custom PvP character). I really can't do that any other way right now then switching my secondary since I've got 3 RP characters (to unlock skills) and one PvP character that I switch out as needed.

Now I understand that ANet needs to keep things balanced for chapters 2, 3, 4, 5, etc so I'm not asking for anything drastic, but I would really enjoy using some other skills from the other professions. With the current game dynamics, its not practical for me to do that. Hopefully ANet is thinking about this situation and can implement a soultion for it.

Not possible, if it is there, it must be aquired :-)

Seriously, though, if you want to unlock all the skills in the game then, yes, you do need to aquire all skills. Who knows whats going to change when the metagame changes? The skill that was once questionable could become a key skill later on.

Hmm, three options,

1) Make a new character...it's quicker than grinding for new secondary skills.

2) Read the text carefully when selecting your secondary profession in pre-searing.

3) Hope ArenaNet makes secondary skills available when they've already been unlocked on your account.

I know this isn't directed specifically to me but...

1) Would not work in my case since I've already have three role playing characters and one PvP character. If I want to make another W/? character I can't without deleting one of the other characters I want to play.

2) Not a solution.

3) Thats one possiblity.