Which grind do you hate the most?

If I wasn't against polls, I'd make this a poll. But I am, so he we are....

Add options as you see fit:
1. Gold grind
2. Item grind (weapon/rune/materials/etc)
3. Skill Point grind (read xp grind)

1 and 2 can probably be combined and 3 could be split up into a couple categories. I'll let you decide. Bonus points to those of you that post a suggestion for improvement along with your complaint.....so as to avoid being labeled a whiner (might help in keeping this thread from being closed too).

I already have a thread open offering my suggestion for improvement but I personally hate option 3. ANet has done everything in their power short of banning to prohibit people from doing options 1 & 2 but even then, it's still fun to farm the areas they haven't found. Farming for xp though couldn't be more boring. Even earning it "normally" has become rather tedious and monotonous.

How about finding a decent group grind?

The decent group for PvP grind

I don't find there to be any grind in PvE as I just play the story line, go back to explore areas previously unexplored, help guildmates with quests and missions. Basically, I play at my pace and enjoy the time I am on.

reset skill quests to reflect the new secondary profession you have

reduce and cap the experience needed for a skill point

make some (difficult) quests give a skill point and add some more for variety

The monk armor is pretty expensive....to get the tattoos, you need 200 parchment, or something like that.

Parchment is pretty hard to come by, but you can make it for 5 wood and 20 gold each. That's 1000 wood required, and 4,000 gold.

Takes quite a while to gather that. =/

The item grind. I can't find anything decent, especially not now with the nerfed drop rates. Similarly, I'm not getting a huge amount of gold, and prices are still absurd, so not a lot to buy.

I think for PvPers, however, the skill point grind is far worse.

PvE, I would have to say the item grind.

Creston

4: The forum grind. Having to read the same whiny threads all the time while trying to capture elite [good, usefull] posts.

number three

I disagree on the basis that none of these are grinds. Not one of those is a requirement, you don't need the best appearing armor, you don't need that sword (or whatever) with the perfect modifier, you don't need to have every last skill in the game. You can be perfectly effective with average equipment and only the skills you might use... There are plenty of skills that I know I won't use, but I want to have ALL the unlocks, so sure, I'm short a few skill points, but thats my own fault and I am willing to accept that. As far as items I see perfect dmg weapons, etc dropping all the time, and many with decent mods.. not the best, but the difference between good items and the best items is negligible in this game, if you want the best you pay for it, either with gold or with time, but you in no way NEED to get it to be competitive.

I'd have to go with number 4 here..lol It's terrible when you can barely look at a thread.. .ANY thread... and not see someone complaining about something.. even if the complaint is artificially thrown into the thread and has nothing to do with the topic.

But in the spirit of the OP's question...

I'd say the skill points aquisition after lvl 20 has to be the harshest. It's all fine and dandy to be able to switch secondary professions, but its absolute murder to be able to get enough skill points to make the switch meaningful.

As much as I hate the idea of a UAS or whatever.. they need to either reset all the skill reward quests when you change jobs, make the skill points a whole lot easier to get, or give everyone that has completed a given skill quest access to all the skill rewarded by that quest regardless of the profession at the time.

What I mean is that you do a quest as say a Wa/Mo.. you get 1 skill from each.. Well if you change to a Wa/El later.. you should either get to redo the quest or have access to the El skill that was awarded for that quest without redoing it..

In this fashion, all the skill points can be used for specific SoC skills or bought ones. not trying to acquire every skill for new professions through purchase.

If they fix just this one area, I bet things would be a lot quieter around here as far as "grind" complaints go.

I don't call anything in GW a grind because I am having fun playing it.

i hate the party-finding grind. by far the worst grind ever put into any game, is the party-finding grind in Guild Wars

I disagree that Guildwars has the worst "party finding" grind

grab 1 or 2 players and then grab some henchman if you need to

But liek omg ther is no grind in teh Guild Wars!!!11

Indeed, the only thing that sounds like a grind (and I'm not there yet, and its been fixed) was armor infusing.

Anything that requires you excessive repetative play in order to continue progressing would be considered a grind. However if you run every quest you are given, and each mission as they come you will hit your level cap at a standard rate, and all is good. Any drops, skills, etc. is icing on the cake and are a reward for your time running quests and missions.

The closes thing I can think of to "a grind" is The Wilds mission, however after realizing its easier to do with NPCs then humans that don't listen, I was able to finish it without dying.

CodeMonkey

The whining about grind, grind

That's true enough however don't sell the complainers short. Change is usually the result in one way or another. As I said, I don't think the label whiner or complainer can be applied to people that offer suggestions in addition to...we'll call it "criticism".

Airing complaints/criticism is probably one of the main uses of a forum as far as getting your opinion known to the developers. Obviously, the more respectful and professionally you do this, the better you have a chance at being heard.

These posts, however, are the ones I don't understand. This is essentially a poll, not a thread to argue whether or not a grind exists. Nowhere did I say "requirement" or "need" yet these posts spring up like weeds. I don't know how someone can look at a poll and say, I disagree that people have opinions.

It's like asking whether someone hates cake or pie more and then someone else says, I disagree that you hate cake because I don't perceive that cake exists. This isn't a poll about whether cake exists much like it isn't a poll about whether a grind exists.....that debate has been done to death.

I guess I blame myself for not including an inane option like, "who wants a cookie?"

Grinding denotes that it is a requirement, that you have to do it in order to achieve the 'goal' of the game, so in this case it seems that you have used the wrong word for your purposes, and I'm sorry that I wasn't able to read your mind to know what you ment to say.

No, I think where you went wrong was in how you presented the discussion. I.e "suggestions about GW grinding" maybe one method that gets the attention of folks, where "what do you hate the most" is more of a complaining type subject.

I think what got me thinking "whiner" was the use of the keyword "hate" -- if you "hate" something you typically just leave, ignore it, or not play. It just makes you sound more like a person that isn't looking for responses, but agreements with your point of view. That may not be how your trying to present it, but just giving you some idea of how many will take it when they read certain keywords and make "instant" assumptions about the topic at hand.

CodeMonkey

some people are just incredible stubbord or thick-headed. cuz um, whether or not you see a grind, other people do and um, anet not only acknowledges a grind, but is actively fixing it. if you like the changes last week...this week is even better...