If I wasn't against polls, I'd make this a poll. But I am, so he we are....
Add options as you see fit:
1. Gold grind
2. Item grind (weapon/rune/materials/etc)
3. Skill Point grind (read xp grind)
1 and 2 can probably be combined and 3 could be split up into a couple categories. I'll let you decide. Bonus points to those of you that post a suggestion for improvement along with your complaint.....so as to avoid being labeled a whiner (might help in keeping this thread from being closed too).
I already have a thread open offering my suggestion for improvement but I personally hate option 3. ANet has done everything in their power short of banning to prohibit people from doing options 1 & 2 but even then, it's still fun to farm the areas they haven't found. Farming for xp though couldn't be more boring. Even earning it "normally" has become rather tedious and monotonous.
Which grind do you hate the most?
Granamyr
Aradia Ashkal
How about finding a decent group grind?
Santanus_Perro
The decent group for PvP grind
I don't find there to be any grind in PvE as I just play the story line, go back to explore areas previously unexplored, help guildmates with quests and missions. Basically, I play at my pace and enjoy the time I am on.
I don't find there to be any grind in PvE as I just play the story line, go back to explore areas previously unexplored, help guildmates with quests and missions. Basically, I play at my pace and enjoy the time I am on.
Loviatar
reset skill quests to reflect the new secondary profession you havereduce and cap the experience needed for a skill point
make some (difficult) quests give a skill point and add some more for variety
WeiPing
The monk armor is pretty expensive....to get the tattoos, you need 200 parchment, or something like that.
Parchment is pretty hard to come by, but you can make it for 5 wood and 20 gold each. That's 1000 wood required, and 4,000 gold.
Takes quite a while to gather that. =/
Parchment is pretty hard to come by, but you can make it for 5 wood and 20 gold each. That's 1000 wood required, and 4,000 gold.
Takes quite a while to gather that. =/
Creston
The item grind. I can't find anything decent, especially not now with the nerfed drop rates. Similarly, I'm not getting a huge amount of gold, and prices are still absurd, so not a lot to buy.
I think for PvPers, however, the skill point grind is far worse.
PvE, I would have to say the item grind.
Creston
I think for PvPers, however, the skill point grind is far worse.
PvE, I would have to say the item grind.
Creston
Luggage
4: The forum grind. Having to read the same whiny threads all the time while trying to capture elite [good, usefull] posts.
Teufel Eldritch
number three
Acan Vishnu
I disagree on the basis that none of these are grinds. Not one of those is a requirement, you don't need the best appearing armor, you don't need that sword (or whatever) with the perfect modifier, you don't need to have every last skill in the game. You can be perfectly effective with average equipment and only the skills you might use... There are plenty of skills that I know I won't use, but I want to have ALL the unlocks, so sure, I'm short a few skill points, but thats my own fault and I am willing to accept that. As far as items I see perfect dmg weapons, etc dropping all the time, and many with decent mods.. not the best, but the difference between good items and the best items is negligible in this game, if you want the best you pay for it, either with gold or with time, but you in no way NEED to get it to be competitive.
Corwin_Andros
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4: The forum grind. Having to read the same whiny threads all the time while trying to capture elite [good, usefull] posts.
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But in the spirit of the OP's question...
I'd say the skill points aquisition after lvl 20 has to be the harshest. It's all fine and dandy to be able to switch secondary professions, but its absolute murder to be able to get enough skill points to make the switch meaningful.
As much as I hate the idea of a UAS or whatever.. they need to either reset all the skill reward quests when you change jobs, make the skill points a whole lot easier to get, or give everyone that has completed a given skill quest access to all the skill rewarded by that quest regardless of the profession at the time.
What I mean is that you do a quest as say a Wa/Mo.. you get 1 skill from each.. Well if you change to a Wa/El later.. you should either get to redo the quest or have access to the El skill that was awarded for that quest without redoing it..
In this fashion, all the skill points can be used for specific SoC skills or bought ones. not trying to acquire every skill for new professions through purchase.
If they fix just this one area, I bet things would be a lot quieter around here as far as "grind" complaints go.
Santosh
I don't call anything in GW a grind because I am having fun playing it.
Navaros
i hate the party-finding grind. by far the worst grind ever put into any game, is the party-finding grind in Guild Wars
Ninna
I disagree that Guildwars has the worst "party finding" grind
grab 1 or 2 players and then grab some henchman if you need to
grab 1 or 2 players and then grab some henchman if you need to
Nash
But liek omg ther is no grind in teh Guild Wars!!!11
codemonkey
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I disagree on the basis that none of these are grinds. Not one of those is a requirement, you don't need the best appearing armor, you don't need that sword (or whatever) with the perfect modifier, you don't need to have every last skill in the game. You can be perfectly effective with average equipment and only the skills you might use... There are plenty of skills that I know I won't use, but I want to have ALL the unlocks, so sure, I'm short a few skill points, but thats my own fault and I am willing to accept that. As far as items I see perfect dmg weapons, etc dropping all the time, and many with decent mods.. not the best, but the difference between good items and the best items is negligible in this game, if you want the best you pay for it, either with gold or with time, but you in no way NEED to get it to be competitive.
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Anything that requires you excessive repetative play in order to continue progressing would be considered a grind. However if you run every quest you are given, and each mission as they come you will hit your level cap at a standard rate, and all is good. Any drops, skills, etc. is icing on the cake and are a reward for your time running quests and missions.
The closes thing I can think of to "a grind" is The Wilds mission, however after realizing its easier to do with NPCs then humans that don't listen, I was able to finish it without dying.
CodeMonkey
TiC
The whining about grind, grind
Granamyr
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Airing complaints/criticism is probably one of the main uses of a forum as far as getting your opinion known to the developers. Obviously, the more respectful and professionally you do this, the better you have a chance at being heard.
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It's like asking whether someone hates cake or pie more and then someone else says, I disagree that you hate cake because I don't perceive that cake exists. This isn't a poll about whether cake exists much like it isn't a poll about whether a grind exists.....that debate has been done to death.
I guess I blame myself for not including an inane option like, "who wants a cookie?"
Acan Vishnu
Grinding denotes that it is a requirement, that you have to do it in order to achieve the 'goal' of the game, so in this case it seems that you have used the wrong word for your purposes, and I'm sorry that I wasn't able to read your mind to know what you ment to say.
codemonkey
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That's true enough however don't sell the complainers short. Change is usually the result in one way or another. As I said, I don't think the label whiner or complainer can be applied to people that offer suggestions in addition to...we'll call it "criticism".
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I think what got me thinking "whiner" was the use of the keyword "hate" -- if you "hate" something you typically just leave, ignore it, or not play. It just makes you sound more like a person that isn't looking for responses, but agreements with your point of view. That may not be how your trying to present it, but just giving you some idea of how many will take it when they read certain keywords and make "instant" assumptions about the topic at hand.
CodeMonkey
sama
some people are just incredible stubbord or thick-headed. cuz um, whether or not you see a grind, other people do and um, anet not only acknowledges a grind, but is actively fixing it. if you like the changes last week...this week is even better...
Eugaet
I'll vote for 3, the xp grind, but only in pre-searing. I haven't felt the need to grind at all since moving to post.
uigrad
#3, after you cap at lv 20. Before lv 20, the levels come quick, and everything is exciting. After lv 20, you just need skill points, and progress seems seems slower than a BM when you're constipated.
Crotalus
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#3, after you cap at lv 20. Before lv 20, the levels come quick, and everything is exciting. After lv 20, you just need skill points, and progress seems seems slower than a BM when you're constipated.
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Do i think that you need all the skills/items/runes unlocked to be competitve in PvP? No but it would be nice to have them unlocked. I would rather look at my character and say 'WOW!! i have 10 skill points left' instead of the 'wow i need to kill 100 more mobs in hopes of getting another SoC'. I captured all the ones i will need now i am just capping ones to finish off the primary and secondary class.
Skill points can not be traded so giving them out in excess would not be a problem that i can see.
OrangeArrow
The Only reason I see skill points being hard to get is it forces people to goto the underworld and fissure of Woe. 50k XP is a piece of cake there and can be gotten in an hour if you know how to put together a good team.
Talesin Darkbriar
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Add options as you see fit:
1. Gold grind 2. Item grind (weapon/rune/materials/etc) 3. Skill Point grind (read xp grind) |
As many have stated, the ability to find competent groups of players who can form coherent sentences much less engage in rational thought would be a primary concern at this time. They are few and far between.
The game originally had a very high quality crowd of players, but the recent influx from the state mental wards has had a deleterious effect upon the population as a whole.
Play accordingly,
Talesin
BaleFire
is not the point in the game to have fun?
i have great fun soloing stuff that is supposed to kill me.
why? becouse its a challenge.
take it to the edge, see what u got..
and is not fun when ppl dont beleve you when you say "i was soloing this zone.."
another thing, when you solo bad mobs you learn how to beat them. this knowledge makes you a better pvp player since you have seen enemy skills in action, and know how to counter them.
it would be just plain stupid if it was not possible, if so i would quit this game.
the fun would be gone..
i have great fun soloing stuff that is supposed to kill me.
why? becouse its a challenge.
take it to the edge, see what u got..
and is not fun when ppl dont beleve you when you say "i was soloing this zone.."
another thing, when you solo bad mobs you learn how to beat them. this knowledge makes you a better pvp player since you have seen enemy skills in action, and know how to counter them.
it would be just plain stupid if it was not possible, if so i would quit this game.
the fun would be gone..
LoneWolfWinter
I hate the grind involved in trying to get the top notch weapons/runes.
Tellani Artini
What grind?
Devino
The grind I dislike the most (ie hate) is navigating around whinners and idiots. Both in game and in RL, road rage morons with their blinders of hate that have no clue as to how lucky we all are for being alive and how absolutly wounderfull life can be both in game and in real life. So many people that are 'part of the herd' and don't pay enough attention to life to see whats going on right in front of them. So busy worrying about tomorrow and how much their little caged existance sucks, never realizing their true potential. I feel we all create our own perspective by either believing what we are told or finding out for ourselves whats real.
Focus on hate and you will find it, focus on love and you'll find that too. But if you focus on what is REAL and not what you were told is real then who knows what you'll find. Tis a journey very few take.
Focus on hate and you will find it, focus on love and you'll find that too. But if you focus on what is REAL and not what you were told is real then who knows what you'll find. Tis a journey very few take.
Nokomis
Definitely the group-forming grind. It is pretty darn hard to find enough decent people to do a mission on most days.
--Nokomis
--Nokomis
Cap'n Hoek
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...a BM when you're constipated.
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*grunt*
*grunt* 
*grunt* 
*grunt* 
Midnight Scorpion
skill point grind
Skawtt
The gind I hated the most was the Jedi grind.....wrong game. This game has almost no grind at all. Only grind here is the one you choose to do.
Gold grind: Meh unless you buy stuff from other players kind of pointless IMO.
Item grind: Not a problem at all if your in a group/guild that knows how to share.
skill point grind: Another meh IMO you can only have 8 skills at once on your bar take a look at the skills you would even consider using and use your points on them. No need to use a skill point on something your never really going to use.
Gold grind: Meh unless you buy stuff from other players kind of pointless IMO.
Item grind: Not a problem at all if your in a group/guild that knows how to share.
skill point grind: Another meh IMO you can only have 8 skills at once on your bar take a look at the skills you would even consider using and use your points on them. No need to use a skill point on something your never really going to use.
Sledge
There's a grind?
PieXags
I don't really need to grind. On my character (primary character) and most beloved character...I've got I think about 270+ hours, I've got all the weapons I want, all the runes I want, the 15k armor. The elite skills that I don't have aren't usually a problem to get (and sometimes they're really FUN to get, going out with a fun group of guild members and exploring a part of the map I never went through to find a boss can be cool).
I've almost run out of things to do in the game, I've unlocked all the skills except for some elites for the warrior, necro and mesmer, on this one character...and I've still got 14 skill points left over. It's been really fun. Now I spend my days at...dare I say...THE LOST STRONGBOX. And then I usually go to Ascalon or Lion's Arch and give that loot away.
Now I've decided to go for my second set of 15k armor, so I'm lootin' the lost strongbox while bsin' with guild members through TS to get up the money.
The farming I hate most is just...farming for cash/loot to sell...just going out and doing runs killing things over and over again.
Then again you never need to do that unless you either A) Want to BUY a sigil, B) Want to buy the 60-75k armor, or C) Want to buy some superfantastic Superior Rune of Vigor because you can't for the love of God salvage one!
That's about it.
I've almost run out of things to do in the game, I've unlocked all the skills except for some elites for the warrior, necro and mesmer, on this one character...and I've still got 14 skill points left over. It's been really fun. Now I spend my days at...dare I say...THE LOST STRONGBOX. And then I usually go to Ascalon or Lion's Arch and give that loot away.
Now I've decided to go for my second set of 15k armor, so I'm lootin' the lost strongbox while bsin' with guild members through TS to get up the money.
The farming I hate most is just...farming for cash/loot to sell...just going out and doing runs killing things over and over again.
Then again you never need to do that unless you either A) Want to BUY a sigil, B) Want to buy the 60-75k armor, or C) Want to buy some superfantastic Superior Rune of Vigor because you can't for the love of God salvage one!
That's about it.
Weezer_Blue
It's a tie between skill point grind and rune grind. Gold comes naturally while you're doing either of the two, so I don't mind it as much.
ManadartheHealer
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4: The forum grind. Having to read the same whiny threads all the time while trying to capture elite [good, usefull] posts.
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PieXags
What in the world? There was a four? I guess I should have read the options, I didn't know we could expand to forum grind!
Yeah, reading through the same threads, and posting the same responses (or fighting every urge to post in them) gets annoying far beyond anything I encounter in-game.
Yeah, reading through the same threads, and posting the same responses (or fighting every urge to post in them) gets annoying far beyond anything I encounter in-game.
Weezer_Blue
Yeah I might vote 4 as well. Forum Grind: Reading through the same posts of people that say we're whining when everything is going as they like, but if it were changed, they would start bitching.
Kobun King
PvE..