Update for Assention

Daekar

Daekar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, W.A.

Aussie Battlers [AUSSY]

R/E

16 Jun 2005 at 11:35 - 1
Quote:
Changed the XP reward for ascension. Previously, when a character ascended, he was automatically advanced to level 20, regardless of his current level. This meant that characters who had already advanced to level 20 prior to ascension received no reward for ascending. Now, ascension gives a fixed reward of 50,000 XP.
this is all very good for people who havnt ascended yet, but what about for the people who HAVE ascended? dont u think thats just a bit unfair? i mean, i would like 50,000 XP! i no they cant go giving 50,000 XP to all people who have ascended, because they wouldnt know who ascended when they were 20, and who wearnt. but i just thought id say my slight annoyance...

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

16 Jun 2005 at 11:40 - 2
be happy you dont have 6 ascended characters
(none of them skipped content)

Morgan19

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA

W/P

16 Jun 2005 at 12:10 - 3
Quote:
Changed the XP reward for ascension. Previously, when a character ascended, he was automatically advanced to level 20, regardless of his current level. This meant that characters who had already advanced to level 20 prior to ascension received no reward for ascending. Now, ascension gives a fixed reward of 50,000 XP.
Smartass answers aside, can anyone give a concrete answer on the retroactiveness of this? I realize it's stupid to take this change personally but I literally Ascended half an hour before the patch was introduced and would be exteremely annoyed if I didn't get the XP award as well. Unfortunately I don't recall how much I had before, nor how many skill points I had to compare to this morning.

So, does anyone know if the 50k Ascension reward applies to you if you'd Ascended as a level 20 before the patch?

m19

Phaedrus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

16 Jun 2005 at 12:19 - 4
I didn't get the retroactive exp. I did, however, get skillpoints retroactively issued according to the new 20,000 per point system.

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Fantras

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Sacramento California

House Palomides

Mo/Me

16 Jun 2005 at 12:22 - 5
Hrmm, well that's cool. I would hate to have to go through ascension again.

Morgan19

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA

W/P

16 Jun 2005 at 12:25 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantras
Hrmm, well that's cool. I would hate to have to go through ascension again.
How is it cool that you don't get the XP? If I understood him correctly, he didn't get the Ascension XP but he did get the skillpoints from other experience-- unrelated.

m19

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

16 Jun 2005 at 12:30 - 7
the skill point enhancement is easier to be retroactive because its a fixed figure
(based on your total experience points)


unfortunately,
the game doesnt keep track of what level you were, when you ascended

Phaedrus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

16 Jun 2005 at 12:35 - 8
I have over a million exp on that character. Two skill points (while nice) are now almost an irrelevancy thanks to the adjustment in post-20 skillpoint gain. Two quests (counting what I have to kill between me and the rewards for those two quests) in the Fissure of Woe is now a skill point.

I guess I have better things to pine for than 50k exp. It would be nice to have, it's not easy to retroactively reward without also rewarding those who abused the system, so I'm fine not getting my toy surprise from my box of Ascension Krispies.

Look at it this way: there are only two ways to play the game and not earn exp at some rate. 1) Play missions/areas beneath your level, or 2) stand around idle. Anything else you do will earn you at least gradual exp and at least gradual skill points.

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Morgan19

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA

W/P

16 Jun 2005 at 12:45 - 9
Yes but my point isn't that "oh it's easy to get that XP". Assuming the XP isn't retroactive, it's that they've made a rather large change like this and can't seem to follow up to assure everyone's on equal playing ground. Considering Anet's mantra is that everyone has an equal game, giving someone who Ascends this morning 50k extra XP and holding it back from people who Ascended yesterday afternoon dashes that little mantra.

It might not big to you, but you're not the only one playing the game, need I remind you. Two more skill points would be a huge deal to me and I'm sure plenty of other people– it's great you can shrug it off, more power to you. But you're not everyone.

The Galrath tweak I didn't mind, as that was relatively small and wasn't a huge game event. But to fix the "level 20 + XP at Ascension" quirk and not be able to follow-through with everyone just seems like a bad compromise to those on the "losing" end, as it were.

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but it's more than a little frustrating that these great updates come along but then there's one that *BAM!* screws over people who just happen to be at a different point in the game.

m19

Creston

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

16 Jun 2005 at 13:15 - 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan19
Yes but my point isn't that "oh it's easy to get that XP". Assuming the XP isn't retroactive, it's that they've made a rather large change like this and can't seem to follow up to assure everyone's on equal playing ground. Considering Anet's mantra is that everyone has an equal game, giving someone who Ascends this morning 50k extra XP and holding it back from people who Ascended yesterday afternoon dashes that little mantra.

It might not big to you, but you're not the only one playing the game, need I remind you. Two more skill points would be a huge deal to me and I'm sure plenty of other people– it's great you can shrug it off, more power to you. But you're not everyone.

The Galrath tweak I didn't mind, as that was relatively small and wasn't a huge game event. But to fix the "level 20 + XP at Ascension" quirk and not be able to follow-through with everyone just seems like a bad compromise to those on the "losing" end, as it were.

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but it's more than a little frustrating that these great updates come along but then there's one that *BAM!* screws over people who just happen to be at a different point in the game.

m19
However, if you look on the flip side, people who rushed to the desert level 3 yesterday and ascended got 17 levels, and people who do it today get 50.000 xp..

Hey, I ascended like five days ago, and I would have enjoyed getting 50K xp, but then again, I already have 28 skill points available, so it's not a major issue for me.

If you're grinding for your xp, however, I can see that 50K (ie, 2.5 skill points with the new fixed 20K per point) is a big thing.

I think it should be pretty easy to find out who's ascended and who's not though? I mean, anyone who has Dragon's Lair on his map is ascended, the rest is not, right?

Creston

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

16 Jun 2005 at 13:23 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Creston
However, if you look on the flip side, people who rushed to the desert level 3 yesterday and ascended got 17 levels, and people who do it today get 50.000 xp..
the only way I think it's possible is if they gave All Ascended 50,000 exp
-- including the level 3's that ascended to 20
(which I rather they not do)

my elementalist has *zero* skill points

it stinks but I know I'll be making experience to earn future skill points

Daekar

Daekar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, W.A.

Aussie Battlers [AUSSY]

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16 Jun 2005 at 14:03 - 12
lol, it dosnt affect me that much atm, so im not all frustrated about it, but those extra skil, points coulld be very helpful leter in the game...

but i guess theres nothing they can do, and it was a nessisary update i recon.

Quote:
I think it should be pretty easy to find out who's ascended and who's not though? I mean, anyone who has Dragon's Lair on his map is ascended, the rest is not, right?
yes, that is easy...but they would need to find out who ascended at lvl 20...and who got to lvl 20 from a smaller level...THAT would be hard, there would be no record of it...i mean...they need to be fair right? cant go giving perople who already got LOTS of XP to get to lvl 20 ANOTHER 50K XP!!!

Quote:
Hey, I ascended like five days ago, and I would have enjoyed getting 50K xp, but then again, I already have 28 skill points available, so it's not a major issue for me.
yeah, i 23 skill points :P so thats what i mean by im fine at the moment, but the 2 other skill points could be really helpfull latter on when i NEED them...

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

16 Jun 2005 at 14:37 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninna
be happy you dont have 6 ascended characters
(none of them skipped content)


hmmm you bought 2 games? or you delted 2 characters? if it was the latter the 50k would have been wasted anyway

Morgan19

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA

W/P

16 Jun 2005 at 14:40 - 14
Hmm... Some good points raised here. I was just thinking "I ascended and was level 20, where's my XP?!" whereas I can see how it might be harder to tell who was level 20 or less than 20 when they Ascended pre-patch.

Stupid logic. Still, I wish there was some way to differentiate and give the reward where it's due. Oh well, live and learn.

m19

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

16 Jun 2005 at 14:48 - 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan19
Hmm... Some good points raised here. I was just thinking "I ascended and was level 20, where's my XP?!" whereas I can see how it might be harder to tell who was level 20 or less than 20 when they Ascended pre-patch.

Stupid logic. Still, I wish there was some way to differentiate and give the reward where it's due. Oh well, live and learn.

m19


What you guy have to realize is that this game is a never ending "flowing" game.

they are constantly changing the way things are done in game. some will be happy and some will not be but they are responding to what seems right to them and in my opinion are making the game better with every update as a whole. thre aer some individual things in each update that may not be the best thing for your character, but you are going to have to live with it.

all these posts whining about how someone may get something now that you did not get is rediculous. i am sure there are cases of updates helping your character when those before you did not get the benefit.

that being said just enjoy the game and stop whining about what yo did not get and instead focus on how they have made the game better for all

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

16 Jun 2005 at 14:59 - 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by salja Wachi
hmmm you bought 2 games? or you deleted 2 characters? if it was the latter the 50k would have been wasted anyway
I have 2 accounts

but I'm not asking for 50k exp -- I realize patches change the game

Zorque

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

16 Jun 2005 at 15:27 - 17
What a bummer, I just ascended my last RP char last night! And I badly need that XP, all 3 of my ascended characters are struggling for skill points in my goal to unlock all the skills. My 4th slot if for PvP. But I'm wondering if it wouldn't be quicker to ascend another RP char and save all the skill points for elite's than to try and farm XP with my other 3 chars to get enough skill points.

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

16 Jun 2005 at 15:30 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorque
What a bummer, I just ascended my last RP char last night! And I badly need that XP, all 3 of my ascended characters are struggling for skill points in my goal to unlock all the skills. My 4th slot if for PvP. But I'm wondering if it wouldn't be quicker to ascend another RP char and save all the skill points for elite's than to try and farm XP with my other 3 chars to get enough skill points.

just make a couple runs through FoW at 50k exp a run it will not take you too long to get what you need

Witcher King

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Atlanta, GA / Newport News, VA

N/W

16 Jun 2005 at 15:56 - 19
I think it's total crap we don't get atleast something. I switched professions after Ascension and had to spend skill points on the "basic skills" that are now free for a new secondary AND I got no extra XP. Ascending was basically just a huge waste of time for me--a huge grind with no reward. I'm happy over the changes for new players, but seriously, wtf? They couldn't do ANYTHING for those of us that have already ascended?

Morgan19

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA

W/P

16 Jun 2005 at 16:15 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by salja Wachi
all these posts whining about how someone may get something now that you did not get is rediculous. i am sure there are cases of updates helping your character when those before you did not get the benefit.

that being said just enjoy the game and stop whining about what yo did not get and instead focus on how they have made the game better for all
Hey here's an idea: giving feedback about changes or asking about why something is the way it is ISN'T WHINING! Personally, I'm getting really freakin' sick and tired of people like you calling people whiners and making it seem like we have no right to discuss the changes. They change something with the patch, of course there's going to be feedback! Duh.

Good god... It's like you think they just made an update so everyone should be 100% happy with it. You're being totally unrealistic and honestly, just coming across as an ass by telling everyone else that they're "whining" and to shut up. No one's making you read threads, so if you're so tired of them then go read something else. Fact of the matter is if there's any discontent with the game, then posting and talking about it here is one way to get the concerns noted. "Shutting up and just playing" will in no way affect any change, per your advice. If people want something changed or evaluated, they have every right to go over it here.

m19

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

16 Jun 2005 at 16:24 - 21
never said to shut up my friend nor would I. however that being said the updates are what they are and it is not "feedback" to whine that you did not get your 50k exp. go to FoW in 1 hour you will have 50k exp.

try to find a solution instad of complaining htat someone else got more than you did.

that is all i am saying

Esprit

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

16 Jun 2005 at 16:32 - 22
Glad I haven't Ascended yet. Hehe.

For those who Ascended right before, it may not seem fair, but for many who Ascended and got multiple levels out of it, I don't see why they are complaining, because you essentially got that 50K XP through the levels you gained.

I think the new way is good, it prevents some people from rushing their characters just to Ascend, and in that way they would be more helpful to parties later in the game, because you would spend the time to level up.

Morgan19

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA

W/P

16 Jun 2005 at 16:36 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by salja Wachi
never said to shut up my friend nor would I. however that being said the updates are what they are and it is not "feedback" to whine that you did not get your 50k exp. go to FoW in 1 hour you will have 50k exp.

try to find a solution instad of complaining htat someone else got more than you did.

that is all i am saying
My posts were exactly that: asking Anet about the status of the retroactive Ascension bonus and seeing if there was anything that could be done about it. A solution. Shocking, I know. The point of this thread is so that Anet sees that some people are upset about the sudden switch. That is finding a solution: not posting about it like you seem to want to is not.

Your taking all this as complaining is the problem, not us bringing up the issue.

"that is all i am saying"

m19

Syno

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Jacksonville, FL, USA

N/Mo

16 Jun 2005 at 17:11 - 24
In SWG (curse its name!) the devs would post a "What's on the plate for tomorrow" string in the forums, thusly warning all of impending changes. That and we had public test center servers to give us incoming game change info well ahead of deployment (usually 2 weeks or more). It made people upset when they saw some of the changes in the pipeline, but sometimes they would gripe enough and effect change. One nice thing about having "Official" forums, and the test bed.


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Eclair

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

16 Jun 2005 at 17:17 - 25
It might be too late now, but when the patch just came out, they could have made it that all the level 20's who ascended can go back and ascend again for the 50k exp. Sure, it'll benefit some more than others, but the majority of the playeres probably did ascend at 20, so it'd be nice to get that 50k even if somebody else got 17 levels + 50k

Divinitys Creature

Divinitys Creature

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere between the Real World and Tyria ;P

The Gothic Embrace [Goth]

16 Jun 2005 at 17:26 - 26
Can someone tell me if you get ascended from say level 17 to 20 AND get 50k exp, or you just get 50k exp and stay level 17?

My guess is you would still go up to 20, but can someone confirm please?

Ba Ne

Ba Ne

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Michigan

W/Mo

16 Jun 2005 at 17:31 - 27
I'm assuming you get 50k experience and as many levels as that amount would give you if you had earned that much under normal circumstances.

Daekar

Daekar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, W.A.

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17 Jun 2005 at 08:09 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature
Can someone tell me if you get ascended from say level 17 to 20 AND get 50k exp, or you just get 50k exp and stay level 17?

My guess is you would still go up to 20, but can someone confirm please?
i think the way it works is: if u are level 20, you get 50K XP. but if u are not level 20, you just go up to level 20...but im not sure on this eather.

and i think the best solution to the 50K XP thing, is to give a option for people to ascend again...just kill the mirror self and get the 50K XP. and even if they dont want to do that, maybe just give 20K XP? but i understand that there is no fair way for this to be resulved...