Cheaters

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

Personally I would like to report You for Outrageous prices to begin with if they accepted such a thing.

lesson number 1 to ALL new players. do not buy ANYTHING from ANY PLAYER in the game EVER. Only purchase from NPCs... And if you must trade for something make it a trade (item for item) or talk to your guild members before exposing yourself to people that WILL every time EXPLOIT YOUR IGNORANCE. In our guild we rarely use commerce at all, we just give items to those that want or need them. and we post in our forums for items to keep an eye out for. Then we never have to deal with people as ridiculous as this person that originated this thread.

However to answer your post. Yes there is a way to alert arenanet of potential cheaters, dupers, and bot users. see Contact Links
They request a Screen Shot with the server time, and the offeneders nick.
This is so they can refer to logs from the dist and back track the conversation on the offense. They don't just take your word for it, they do some research too...

StandardAI

StandardAI

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2005

K A R M A

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly
*sigh* did you have to buy it too?
I wouldn't be dating anyone who asked me to pay for a 200 dollar purse (or asked me to pay for a purse at all) it was her rich step sister.

Kari

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasenbluten
"DUPED" is when you duplicate an item or gold or something not when you get "SCAMMED" fyi
Step out of the computer & understand that some of the words you think mean something, have a real world meaning also.

tr.v. duped, dup·ing, dupes
To deceive (an unwary person).

FluidFox

FluidFox

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

In a box with a Keyboard. (cst)

Wow.. I have an inventory full of bows with +15% while health is above 50%... If I knew I could gouge that kind of scratch for them I'd have more money than my account could hold by now.

Seriously though, NO bow is worth 200 platinum no matter how you look at it. That you had the nerve to ask that much almost requires my respect. Almost. And that you had the unmitigated gall to start a thread complaining that you only got the maximum amount that you character can carry for it is beyond my ability to express in the english language.

Other than that, your question has already been answered. If you feel this is worth complaining about though I think I may be sick.

Fantras

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Sacramento California

House Palomides

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by FluidFox
Wow.. I have an inventory full of bows with +15% while health is above 50%... If I knew I could gouge that kind of scratch for them I'd have more money than my account could hold by now.

Seriously though, NO bow is worth 200 platinum no matter how you look at it. That you had the nerve to ask that much almost requires my respect. Almost. And that you had the unmitigated gall to start a thread complaining that you only got the maximum amount that you character can carry for it is beyond my ability to express in the english language.

Other than that, your question has already been answered. If you feel this is worth complaining about though I think I may be sick.

Dude, don't be so mean. He's saving up to buy the Crystal Desert. Didn't you know that?



Dirkiess

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Uk, England.

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kari
Step out of the computer & understand that some of the words you think mean something, have a real world meaning also.

tr.v. duped, dup·ing, dupes
To deceive (an unwary person).
Er, yes. But in games such as this, Duping means to duplicate items with some form of program and place the items in the game. There are issues with these items as they don't really exist and can even disappear after a time period. Hence, you are Duping and deceiving people.

Mr. Matt

Mr. Matt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasenbluten
"DUPED" is when you duplicate an item or gold or something not when you get "SCAMMED" fyi
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=duped

He/she was speaking ENGLISH.

Stone

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Sacred Order

E/Mo

i still cant get over a single item being over max allowed gold myself..

only way i see any1 getting that kind of money is to spend all thier time in market offering 100g for 10k+ items +many other ways they exploit the economy(scamming newbs) , or being lucky with sigil drops.. tho im glad we have scrolls now too, at least some roleplayers have a bit more chance at getting one of these "godly items" or even a superior vigor....

Playing 1month, 300+hours,nearly 300k EXP , currently at thunderheadkeep. have 2 perty scrolls of insight & 6plat to my name.. Oh btw those scrolls are currently worth 12 & 15k at the trader.. to Sell. soon ill have a few more gold coins but i hardly see multiple hundreds of thousands for months.. has game even been out that long?

Personally id have to query the methods these 100kionares clubbers used to Gain thier Riches to find out & well im enjoying my adventures, nvr had to worry bout a sup/major rune & my dropped weapons do quite fine, my upgrades will come soon & no doubt ill end up with a few gold sooner or later.

But hey you got 100k from a drop right? if you are against bad things like this "scammer who stole your 100k" (Stealer) then you must also note that Greed is just as bad .. check the ten commandments.. might wanna yank that log out of your eye before you go Killing others for thiers.. Hypocrytes bug me.

BaleFire

BaleFire

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

In a cave, by a lake of fire

lol this is funny.
if you let ppl exploit you its ure fault.

a good rule:
never trust any1 exept ppl u play with regularly and "know", or guildmembers.

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

How many in here cant understand the concept of "rare"? If its rare, it does not matter how much i sell it for, getting it will still be though. If its not worth my time selling, ill delete it. GL getting it now.

Interesting to see people who think that your scamming a newb if you ask 100k. Sure, how many newbs have 100k? If you have 100k, and buy a max dmg weapon without mods, IT IS YOUR FREE DESCICION. If i say that this weapon will make you fly, it is YOUR duty to verify it by doing research. Why does the seller always have to determine the exact value of an item, while its perfectly acceptable for the buyer to have no clue at all?

Canook

Canook

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Toronto, Canada

Saints of Sin [SAS]

Mo/Me

did u make a profit? i think you did, a 100k profit. i'd be happy with that.

thejynxed

thejynxed

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Medieval Knights of Darkness [MKOD]

A/

Simple way for Anet to fix price gouging: Tie the max amount of gold you can offer in the trade window to the NPC sale trade value of the item (the value you get when identifying the item), and stop allowing direct gold trades. That would also create the largest gold sink possible in the game, since everyone's crap would only be worth the ID price of the item. It's already rediculously easy to get gold without price gouging.

Azmodan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/Me

How is someone price gouging if they offer an item and some moron says they'll pay 200k for it? Look at how much people are paying for fellblades and crystalline swords. If he was asking 200k for it, then you're not obligated to say that you'll buy it.

You can't tell me if someone offered any of you 100k for you clean 6-9 tribal blade, that you wouldn't jump all over it. Before the rune trader, people were paying 100k for a superior vigor rune that only offers 9 more HP then a major which can be purchased for 15k.

The solution is simple. You should be able to trade gold up to the limit of your storage. The first 100k goes on the character and the remainder goes automatically to storage. Or, your character should be able to hold an unlimited amount of gold.

asdar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

It doesn't matter what the bow was worth.

There's a clear right and wrong in this situation and everyone that even mentions a price should be ashamed.

If player A says he'll give 10 gold for an item but he only has 5 now and he'll give 5 when they get to a town and bails he's a low down lying jerk.

The original poster is clearly the wronged person here and cheated regardless of what the cost or price of the bow was.

Quit reflecting your own anger at inflation to what is clearly a black and white situation.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by asdar
It doesn't matter what the bow was worth.

There's a clear right and wrong in this situation and everyone that even mentions a price should be ashamed.

If player A says he'll give 10 gold for an item but he only has 5 now and he'll give 5 when they get to a town and bails he's a low down lying jerk.

The original poster is clearly the wronged person here and cheated regardless of what the cost or price of the bow was.

Quit reflecting your own anger at inflation to what is clearly a black and white situation.
Yes, he was taken advantage of, but in a way that is impossible without charging over 100k for an item. That's the thing - the game designers put that limit in place for a reason. Was he taken advantage of? Yes, but it was done while he was trying to get around the imposed trade limitations.

I agree that things are worth what people pay for them - I wouldn't ever pay $60,000 for a comic book, but some people will. Their problem. The only thing about this ccase is that ANet tried to set a cap on trade value - you can get around it by trading objects and money together, but it was put in for a reason, to stop outlandish inflation. People refuse to be bottled up, greed knows no bounds. Sorry you had a contract broken, not particularly sympathetic about the loss though. I agree that people are pretty unethical - he broke his word, while you are simply a greedy capitalist - surely a lesser crime than a cheat.

unclee

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

NC

Rednec Jesters

R/Mo

I agree if you find someone dumb enough to pay that much then by all means GO AHEAD and sell. LOL I don't think macro economists are worried about inflation in GW.

Night

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasenbluten
"DUPED" is when you duplicate an item or gold or something not when you get "SCAMMED" fyi

FYI, Lol you have spent way too much time online my friend. The word duped is a word meaning cause to accept what is false, especially by trickery or misrepresentation "He was duped into buying that conterfiet polo shirt". Whereas online folks got lazy and start using the word dupe to be a shortened version of duplicate. So in the context he was using the word, he meant duped not duplicate and therefore correct.

Now back to reporting him, what are you going to say? Maybe he thought the 100k is all you wanted so therefore he went with it. Send proof and maybe they will do something but doubtful on the first post. Bottom line is take it a lesson. Don't trust anyone.

Stev0

Stev0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Halifax, NS, Canada

I have about 16K gathered from the start of the game and you just made 100K in one transaction and complain you got ripped off?

Christ!

*time to post pics of starving Ascalonian Child Refugees*

Stev0

Stev0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Halifax, NS, Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Night
FYI, Lol you have spent way too much time online my friend. The word duped is a word meaning cause to accept what is false, especially by trickery or misrepresentation "He was duped into buying that conterfiet polo shirt". Whereas online folks got lazy and start using the word dupe to be a shortened version of duplicate. So in the context he was using the word, he meant duped not duplicate and therefore correct.

Now back to reporting him, what are you going to say? Maybe he thought the 100k is all you wanted so therefore he went with it. Send proof and maybe they will do something but doubtful on the first post. Bottom line is take it a lesson. Don't trust anyone.
I wanted to bring that up but I'm glad you took care of that one. LOL.

Barraind

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Immortal Sacred Alliances [ISA]

Quote:
How many in here cant understand the concept of "rare"
There is no such thing. As someone who farmed items in EQ to sell for plat when bored, and farmed worthless crap in GW to try and hit a sup vigor/absorb (which not surprisingly arent on the rune trader), I can say for certain that the only rare thing is 'time'.

Speculators just take money from those asking to have it taken from them. While it is truly idiotic to spend anything close to that much gold on anything, period, people will do it, because much as in the real world, some people prefer to throw money at a problem instead of spending a little time finding it for themselves.

Morat

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Octavian Vanguard

R/E

Hey guys, I've got a bridge for sale if you want to have a look...

Reiden Argrock

Reiden Argrock

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Arizona

Shadowstorm Mercenaries

all I can say is sorry,
that won't fix people's problems though,
I don't think their is anyway to report this either,

sorry

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Morat
Hey guys, I've got a bridge for sale if you want to have a look...

I'll give you 500plat

Moskel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

San Antonio, TX

Xen of Onslaught [XoO] - www.xoohq.com

W/E

Next time if you are going to sell something for 200k, make it 100k + 7 unided gold armors or 100k+ sigil + 2 gold armors or make the person pay you 100k up front for 7 gold armors, then make him trade you the 7 armors + 100k back for the bow. The 7 armors you carry as collateral so he doesn't worry about getting scammed.

And $200 for a purse, that buys a nice purse, try going to Google and putting in 'Hermes Birkin Bag Crocodile'. Now thats expensive

hydrak

hydrak

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

I don't know what is the deal with this original poster. I think he's lying about the whole thing, trying to pump up the value of his bow. I wouldn't be surprised if he still has the bow and is still spamming it for 200k in Lion Arch.

I spent one hour spamming the same bow for 50k. And I didn't even get one returned message.

Thargor_the_Barbarian

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

No, Im not lying about the bow and no I do not spam thankyou. My aim wasn't to get sympathy or pity as some have claimed. Nor was I trying to argue about bow prices. Or to argue about price gouging and whatnot. I wasn't trying to find out "how lucky I was to even get 100k".
What I was trying to do was to find out if there was a way to alert the games "admin", or whoever, in order to keep tabs on ppl who have repeatedly were dishonest to other players. Someone who easily walks away with that much potential money would be have no problem doing again to another player (I saw the same character later trying to sell for 150k, and later said that he would sell it for 300k). I never lie to ppl about my bows, if they say the price is to high, I say, "you CAN find it cheaper if your'e patient enough to shop around or try to find it yourself". Often, ppl are too lazy to find themselves or shop around for it at lower price. So they pay. I find cheap bows for sale all day long, Ive never paid over 40k for anything. I am not dishonest, this fellow was, as he lied to me repeatedly begging to pay 200k.
On the other hand, thanks for the advice about the armor and rune + 100K trade. And thanks to those who attempted to help me find a way to report repeatedly dishonest ppl. Thanks for your time, I apologize if I offended anyone.
And yeah I dont like vamp 5/1 string either, but in the past week, its been hard to find one even under 80k.

Eclair

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraind
There is no such thing. As someone who farmed items in EQ to sell for plat when bored, and farmed worthless crap in GW to try and hit a sup vigor/absorb (which not surprisingly arent on the rune trader), I can say for certain that the only rare thing is 'time'.

Speculators just take money from those asking to have it taken from them. While it is truly idiotic to spend anything close to that much gold on anything, period, people will do it, because much as in the real world, some people prefer to throw money at a problem instead of spending a little time finding it for themselves.
This is precisely the problem. It's not a little bit of time one can be spending to find it for themselves. It could be weeks of playing. That's because items drops are generally completely random, and finding the one you want is very difficult. This is how the trade system started, people trading what they have for what they want, which eventually evolved into the currency system.

Some people have a lot of money, whether its from farming, lucky drops, or even playing the market. That money is useless just sitting there, but being able to turn that money into something they would find enjoyment is a good thing.

Paine

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Clan Plus [Plus]

Seriously. I think this game will end up with the same trade values like Diablo II - Lord of Destruction. Probably 1000k for 1 Superior Vigor rune in 3 years. You'll see =)

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paine
Seriously. I think this game will end up with the same trade values like Diablo II - Lord of Destruction. Probably 1000k for 1 Superior Vigor rune in 3 years. You'll see =)
We can't carry 1000k. We can only carry 100k. The rune trader cannot charge above 100k.

The most it is possible to charge an item for without the chance of being shafted is 100k+7 unid'd gold drops

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by StandardAI
It's not cheating. It's exploiting
No, it isn't. If it was anything it was a scam.
Exploit = taking unfair advantage of a game design flaw or bug.
Scam = tricking someone out of money.

Personally I don't think there were any scamming going on either. I think this is bullshit. A 200K bow? A "relative noob" with a 200K bow? Yeah, right!

Thargor is of course free to report this guy to Anet, but the burden of proof is on Thargor, and he will not have the evidence to support his version.

Dahl

Dahl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]

Woah woah woah.... Let me get this straight here... You're mad.. because.. you sold a bow to a guy worth 20k.... for 100k... and you're mad you couldn't get 200k out of it... "OMGZORZ THIS DOODE SHUD ME BANND CUZ I CUDNT EXPLOIT HIM ENUFF!" look back, and listen to yourself... You're mad that you couldn't rip someone off for enough? I thought it was bad that I let a Red dye go for 100g when I was a newbie.

Zfactor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

NYC

Freelance

Mo/E

Quote:
For some retarded reason I trusted the guy to pay the other 100k in a sec. But he ran offline after he paid half. This is obviously my fault, but that guy still needs to die. If for anything at all, because he lied to me repeatedly for an hour saying he could pay.
Ever notice that when people are selling stuff for more than 100k, they take items like sup vigors for the other part of the money.

I would feel sorry for you, but you are charging 200k for a bow, which is a TOTAL rip off in every way imaginable. Actually, I am glad I read this, because nothing beats when a price gouger gets screwed hard.



EDIT:
If they ever put in a report system like this, I think I am going to report you for trying to exploit newbies.

Ibutho Ukuziqhenya

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Enlightened Guardians of Tyria

R/Mo

I can't stop laughing here... 200k for a crappy bow, lol... no matter what bow that is, I'd sell it for 20k MAX! What the hell do you want to do with so much money anyway? Nothing in the game is worth more than 20k... crappy inflationists! I wish beta times never ended :-( Since release there are so many morons cranking up the inflation...

Red Locust

Red Locust

Site Contributor

Join Date: May 2005

I'm not surprised he ripped you off. I wouldn't agree to paying 200k for a bow like that unless I intended to scam the seller out of 100k. Hell I even doubt a plain 5/1 vampiric bow is worth 100k.

Galatea Orea

Galatea Orea

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

Knights of Temerity

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasenbluten
"DUPED" is when you duplicate an item or gold or something not when you get "SCAMMED" fyi
Actually, "duped" does mean deceived, outside of the MMO world. From the dictionary: dupe: one that is easily deceived or cheated : FOOL

"Duped" as used in gaming lingo is a shortcut (of course) for "duplicated", meaning that an item has been illegally replicated.

Just to set the record straight.

Peace

Dragonkin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Infront of my pc, UK.

Dragon Guard Alliance

R/Mo

200k for a bow? lololololol *falls off his chair*