Strength not important for Warrior

Strength adds armor penetration and makes key skills like sprint last longer :b. Strength is how you get that bullshit 200 dmg final thrust on a monk Explain how Strength is related to final thrust .... it is related to Swordsmanship only - not strength.

Strength seems to be applicable for armor penetration. However, it is ludicrously small. For every point of strength you get +1% armor penetration. Right now I am running a sword hilt that gives me +10% armor penetration

Again, it seems like strength is relatively useless when simply replacing like skills related to strength with ones related to swordsmanship. Yea, so it increases the amount of time I can sprint/rush. I don't care about sprinting with my build. I'm all about delivering big damage. Yes, I see the benefit in running ... and sometimes I equip it. But, most of the time I benefit more by having other skills on my bar .... like my necro Soul Feast that gives me 180+ health from a dead corpse or Putrid Explosion that deals 80+ damage to EVERY nearby foe. One time I hit like 8 foes with 80+ damage each. Insane. I also equip Watch Yourself to use in cases to protect the healers ... and me ... when I am defending them against melee attacks.

Anyone else want to take a shot at why Strength is important? So far I see that maxing out swordsmanship and tactics and one of my Necro skills to be the best choice. Strength seems relatively useless (when running similar swordsmanship skills).

you had a normal, customized (20% more damage) 15-22 damage Dragon Sword, and a level 9 Swordsmanship attribute, each swing with the weapon would deal:

15 × 1.20 × 2(( 5 × 9 - 60 ) / 40) = 13.88 minimum damage
22 × 1.20 × 2(( 5 × 9 - 60 ) / 40) = 20.36 maximum damage


While swinging the same sword with a level 12 attribute would deal:

15 × 1.20 × 2(( 5 × 12 - 60 ) / 40) = 18.0 minimum damage
22 × 1.20 × 2(( 5 × 12 - 60 ) / 40) = 26.4 maximum damage

-Miniram what is this supposed to mean?
and the only way dmg on a weap would be less than what is specified would be if you don't meet the requirement, so if your having damage problems, I would suggest equipping a usable weapon.

Strength armor penetration is only applied to attack skills. So 10 str would be 10% armor penetration on any attack skill, including final thrust. I know. But, how is it good to waste attribute points on Strength when you can get that armor penetration from something else like a sword hilt? Furthermore, how is 10% armor penetration that impressive? For example, let's say that I normally hit for 35 damage. If I have 10% armor penetration what does that do to the damage? According to the formula above ... nothing. My guess is something to do with 1/10 of the 'hit' translates into full damage. That just doesn't seem like a lot to me. Is it?

MiniRam

what is this supposed to mean?
and the only way dmg on a weap would be less than what is specified would be if you don't meet the requirement, so if your having damage problems, I would suggest equipping a usable weapon. Read this: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

The apologize to the OP.

I agree that the AP bonus of strength is small, and generally not worth maxing, but for 15 attribute points you can get 5% more penetration on all attack skills, which is 5.3% bonus damage vs AL60 and 9% bonus damage vs AL100, so if you are trying to squeeze a bit of extra damage in it works well. It also has skills in that line - if you aren't using strength skills there may be better places to invest, as it isn't a huge bonus. If you are using strength skills anyway, it is nice bonus damage. How does 5% more penetration lead to 5.3% bonus on AL60 and a 9% bonus on AL100. Does that mean if you were at a strength of 10 you would see 18% bonus on AL100?

MiniRam

what is this supposed to mean?
and the only way dmg on a weap would be less than what is specified would be if you don't meet the requirement, so if your having damage problems, I would suggest equipping a usable weapon. What are YOU talking about. I meet all requirements. My question was how does upping your strength translate into dealing a lot more damage as a warrior. The formulas show Swordsmanship only.

MiniRam

Can you imagine this?

20% from customization, 15% from weapon itself *if it's a gold one or something*, and 12% from strength WITH more % added on to hexes like Weaken armor? How does strength equate to a percentage adjustment to damage? I have never seen this formula before. Yet, here you are saying that adding to strength somehow gave somebody +12% damage.

MiniRam

How does 5% more penetration lead to 5.3% bonus on AL60 and a 9% bonus on AL100. Does that mean if you were at a strength of 10 you would see 18% bonus on AL100?

MiniRam No, strength reduces the effective armour level - at 10 strength it reduces the AL by 10%, to 90% of the initial value. That's a reduction of 6AL vs a 60AL, of 10AL vs a 100AL.

Since the damage dealt is based on the calculated damage multiplied by a defensive adjustment, we can work out the effect of the damage. The defensive adjustment is

Damage dealt = damage delivered * defensive adjustment
defensive adjustment = 2^(60-armour level)/40, if you have an adjustment to the armour value you can plug it in as follows

defensive adjustment = 2^(60-(armour level+change))/40 which reaaranges to

defensive adjustment = 2^(60-armour level)/40 * 2^(-change)/40

so the change in damage dealt is actually = 2^(-change)/40

if your armour value is thus reduced by 5, it is thus a change of (-5), so the adjustment is 2^5/40, or 2^.125 = 1.090507733, or about 9% more damage. That's the adjustment on 100AL; the 60AL only gets reduced by 3, so 2^3/40 = 2^0.075 = 1.053361036, or about 5.3%

So to answer your question, at strength 10 you would see 2^10/40 = 2^0.25 = ~18.9% more damage vs 100AL, and only 2^6/40 = 2^0.15 = ~11% more vs 60AL.