Why pay 100k when collector item is better?
mrip
So you can either pay tens of thousands for that eternal shield or you could use the crimson carapace shield that is better basically for free. Why pay 30k for a staff when the collector's one is pretty much the best you can get? If the answer is just, "They look cooler, and even though they aren't as good I think it's worth it," I don't understand you guys.
Midnight Scorpion
Gold sink.
AcidRock
maybe just because money isn't worth anything if you don't spend it, since everything is almost given for free in this game and money is useless... you have to find a way to spend it for stuff that looks cooler for you than what is the best to have. useless money for useless items, that's how this game works. best items are free, useless but cool items are not (even if they are free if you drop it). The one thing i dont understand in this game is why everything is so easy to get, i mean, it's not like its hard to get an eternal bow or a storm bow, just go a few hours in the underworld with a good party and you'll get it. So why is there money anyway in this game ?
Caco-Cola
Both arguements thus far suck.
For one, it's not a gold sink. The money is never leaving the economy.
Now if they had a vendor who sold..whatever shield someone wanted and charged 100k for it THEN it'd be a gold sink, because the money would be essentially deleted.
Second of all, money isn't worth anything unless you spend it? So basically instead of having 30k I should just go spend it on some worthless item that is actually worse just because it 'looks cool'?
Wow...how uh...stupid.
For one, it's not a gold sink. The money is never leaving the economy.
Now if they had a vendor who sold..whatever shield someone wanted and charged 100k for it THEN it'd be a gold sink, because the money would be essentially deleted.
Second of all, money isn't worth anything unless you spend it? So basically instead of having 30k I should just go spend it on some worthless item that is actually worse just because it 'looks cool'?
Wow...how uh...stupid.
Myodato
Why have 15k armour that is effectively the same as 1.5k armour ?
The PvE content in Guild Wars is limited. One of the simplest ways to make it seem less so is to introduce items that are significantly harder to get than their gaming value suggests.
Another way to think of it is, it's high-end content that doesn't unbalance the game.
The PvE content in Guild Wars is limited. One of the simplest ways to make it seem less so is to introduce items that are significantly harder to get than their gaming value suggests.
Another way to think of it is, it's high-end content that doesn't unbalance the game.
mrip
I haven't played WoW, but do they so the same thing of creating rare, but not as good items, for which people pay ridiculous prices?
AcidRock
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Second of all, money isn't worth anything unless you spend it? So basically instead of having 30k I should just go spend it on some worthless item that is actually worse just because it 'looks cool'?
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Tell me anything that is not free and better than what is actually free... if you think about the 15k armor... well it is useless you pay 15k + all the cafting material for what... the look nothing else... so again... what is money usefull to ?
mrip
I think the rare items should be the best available, and the cool ones should come from the collectors. The good collector items aren't available until you get to the desert, so people would still pay $$$ for them. AND, people would pay for the rare items that are actually the best. Doesn't that just make more sense? I mean, wouldn't the other members of your party feel better knowing you had the "best"equipment rather than the stuff that looked "cool"? Isn't the point to do well in the game? Isn't that the point of getting better equipment?
Reiden Argrock
pff, who wants to actually be good? lol
j/k, I say if they want to spend all their time spending money on items that look good, but aren't really, then let em, I'll just own their arse in pvp
j/k, I say if they want to spend all their time spending money on items that look good, but aren't really, then let em, I'll just own their arse in pvp
Galatea
They're worth more because they're cosmetic. Sure, you can have the best item in the game for free, but some people get a kick out of others saying, "OOOohh! Lemme see that! That [sword/axe/staff/shield] looks SO COOL OMG!"
It's the same with 15k armor - sure you can get the cheap stuff, but if you can pay more to have something 'rare' that looks cool, then why not?
It's the same with 15k armor - sure you can get the cheap stuff, but if you can pay more to have something 'rare' that looks cool, then why not?
Algren Cole
Abercrombie & Fitch used to sell a pair of jeans with grass stains on them....said jeans would cost the consumer about $120....millions of people purchased these jeans when at gap they were selling jeans without grass stains for $50.....
If you don't get it....you're dumber than you should be.
If you don't get it....you're dumber than you should be.
Slade xTekno
People coming from other games will have trouble adjusting to the system currently present in Guild Wars. Due to the general balance that exists between items and the lack of any unique rares, money is instead spent not only on the performance of a weapon, but its appearance.
Buying for cosmetics is the "leveling" after you hit the level cap. Yes, you already have the max damage weapon and armor set. Instead of having to splurge on the 1337 uniques that no one has, you spend gold on making your character look exactly like you want him/her to.
You'll understand this once you have everything.
Buying for cosmetics is the "leveling" after you hit the level cap. Yes, you already have the max damage weapon and armor set. Instead of having to splurge on the 1337 uniques that no one has, you spend gold on making your character look exactly like you want him/her to.
You'll understand this once you have everything.
Phaedrus
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Originally Posted by mrip
So you can either pay tens of thousands for that eternal shield or you could use the crimson carapace shield that is better basically for free. Why pay 30k for a staff when the collector's one is pretty much the best you can get? If the answer is just, "They look cooler, and even though they aren't as good I think it's worth it," I don't understand you guys.
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Please, please, please, don't be the arrogant guy who lectures people on what is "better" what is "right" or why we do things. If you knew, you wouldn't need to ask the flame-baiting question.
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Ensign
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Yeah, I can get a 20/20 healing staff.
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus
What if I use healing and prot prayers? Most of my heals are less than one second casts anyway, but my prot spells aren't...what if I need the staff for an enchanting wrap (for my prot spells) and an energy head?
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Universal cast and recharge caps out at 10%. Specific ones go to 20%, meaning that unless you're using a build with 3 lines that all need fast cast and recharge, one of the specific staves is going to be better.
Of course all of this depends upon finding a perfect 10/10 staff of the right attribute for your class. Otherwise there's no contest. =)
As stated, people are paying for cosmetics because that's the endgame of the economy - you can get everything that you need for your character fairly quickly, and all that's left to throw money at is the perfect weapon with the right graphic.
Peace,
-CxE
Digitalblast
why pay 250k for a house when you can sleep under a 40 million dollar bridge?
Madjik
you cant salvage runes/upgrades from anything a collecter gives you.
Phaedrus
Right, but the point is *most* healing spells are, not all. A prot staff doesn't help with healing (or resurrecting), nor does it speed up skills that're handy with quick recharge like heal other. A 20/20 healing staff/focus doesn't give me coverage on prot skills. I use weapons on my casters that suit their abilities...I don't care what it looks like. All fire staves look the same. All air staves look the same. It boils down to the mods. Thankfully shadow and ghostly staves aren't impressive-looking enough that casters will abandon perfectly good focii or staves for them.
So I guess I don't see how that's the case with casters. A collector's holy staff looks just like any other holy staff. Their protective icons are no different than the ones I find. You should be clear: that's why people buy eternal shields, fellblades, and storm bows.
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So I guess I don't see how that's the case with casters. A collector's holy staff looks just like any other holy staff. Their protective icons are no different than the ones I find. You should be clear: that's why people buy eternal shields, fellblades, and storm bows.
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dansamy
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you cant salvage runes/upgrades from anything a collecter gives you.
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Studio Ghibli
That was fixed two patches ago, Madjik.
You can salvage them now.
You can salvage them now.
Madjik
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Originally Posted by dansamy
They fixed that, at least for armor anyway. Not sure about the weapons.
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Ensign
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus
Right, but the point is *most* healing spells are, not all. A prot staff doesn't help with healing (or resurrecting), nor does it speed up skills that're handy with quick recharge like heal other. A 20/20 healing staff/focus doesn't give me coverage on prot skills.
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus
A collector's holy staff looks just like any other holy staff. Their protective icons are no different than the ones I find. You should be clear: that's why people buy eternal shields, fellblades, and storm bows.
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Peace,
-CxE
Slade xTekno
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Originally Posted by Ensign
Right, but my point is that on any given Healing/Protection build, either the 20/20 healing staff or the 20/20 protection staff is going to be better than a 10/10 universal one. Which one will be better is going to vary from build to build, of course.
Oh, definitely. While gold text is 'valuable' to an extent, it's the special graphics that people are after. Though I have to imagine that even if items did all look the same people would still splurge on 'gold rares' just so that they'd be using something rare. Because, really, what should they be spending their money on? Peace, -CxE |
You'd be suprised on that second statement, though. I've seen people buy an inferior gold item over a much better purple one.
Talesin Darkbriar
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Both arguements thus far suck.
For one, it's not a gold sink. The money is never leaving the economy. Now if they had a vendor who sold..whatever shield someone wanted and charged 100k for it THEN it'd be a gold sink, because the money would be essentially deleted. Second of all, money isn't worth anything unless you spend it? So basically instead of having 30k I should just go spend it on some worthless item that is actually worse just because it 'looks cool'? Wow...how uh...stupid. |
Anyone who pays more than 1.5k for anything is a chump.
Of course I mean that in the most respectful way possible, your chumpness.
Tal
NightStalkerXT
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maybe just because money isn't worth anything if you don't spend it, since everything is almost given for free in this game and money is useless.... So why is there money anyway in this game ?
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Reiden Argrock
hehe, I sold a mod'd dragon sword for 500g, only 15-21 dmg, but I sold it for only 500g cause I hate the damn things, everyone has one, unless they use axe, then they all have chaos axe,
I'll keep my individuality and my better axe that doesn't glow thank you
as for the designer armor? why not, I bought my armor in draknars for 1.5k each, and got it all rigged up with runes and what not, but I didn't stop hunting and exploring, so then I got all this money because I'm still playing the game, what else am i supposed to spend it on,
might as well waste it on cooler looking armor, it doesn't hurt anything
I'll keep my individuality and my better axe that doesn't glow thank you
as for the designer armor? why not, I bought my armor in draknars for 1.5k each, and got it all rigged up with runes and what not, but I didn't stop hunting and exploring, so then I got all this money because I'm still playing the game, what else am i supposed to spend it on,
might as well waste it on cooler looking armor, it doesn't hurt anything
ManadartheHealer
I am very cheap...
My monk that beat the game still has the armor I bought at like Yak's Bend-Kryta area (30AL
). And since I already beat the game and have all but 2 monk skills, I see no need to waste all the money I have accumulated in storage. I can waste that on other characters 
My monk that beat the game still has the armor I bought at like Yak's Bend-Kryta area (30AL
Eclair
Yes, but some people have 500k setting in their stash unused. Cool items make people feel cool, so when money is just sitting there collecting dust, they see it as an opportunity to have some fun.
Winds of Blood
I think your appearance is better then your actual items. I support this 300%. Id rather have 10 defence armor and look like the biggest baddest person , then have have the Gladiator armor (can you say ugly?)
Anyway, how look does have an impact in some cases. For example, If your in temple of ages and people look at your 15k armor, they know your experienced and youve actually done something extra in the game. I dont know if i made my point clear but looking good is always helpful
Anyway, how look does have an impact in some cases. For example, If your in temple of ages and people look at your 15k armor, they know your experienced and youve actually done something extra in the game. I dont know if i made my point clear but looking good is always helpful
Mr Jazzy
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I'm with Caco on this one.
Anyone who pays more than 1.5k for anything is a chump. Of course I mean that in the most respectful way possible, your chumpness. Tal |
Phrozenflame
ok ok...heres the deal, I thought the same..y pay mroe for an item? thing is when you get that item, you'll want to better one..Anet is exploiting you for being a human being , my money is stacking up and frankly I dunno what to do with it, I'm thinking of getting a FoW armor, 15k is just too common now.
Its about looking elite...its about letting others know you're better than them...and frankly speaking, someone who can afford FoW usually means that person has got alot of money, hence has more gaming hour under his belt and hence he is likely to be better than yyou..however this does not apply all the time.
, my money is stacking up and frankly I dunno what to do with it, I'm thinking of getting a FoW armor, 15k is just too common now.Its about looking elite...its about letting others know you're better than them...and frankly speaking, someone who can afford FoW usually means that person has got alot of money, hence has more gaming hour under his belt and hence he is likely to be better than yyou..however this does not apply all the time.
Racthoh
When you've pretty much done everything, then yeah you're gonna wanna look your best. You might as well, what else are you going to do with it.
The only thing that bugs me is in FoW and UW and a lousy, no where near max damage chaos axe or storm bow drops and people freak. And when one is max, everyone says "Lucky, nice drop". Who cares? The thing is white, no inherent mods, trash to me.
Best bet is to exploit the system, found some sweet looking stuff and sell it.
The only thing that bugs me is in FoW and UW and a lousy, no where near max damage chaos axe or storm bow drops and people freak. And when one is max, everyone says "Lucky, nice drop". Who cares? The thing is white, no inherent mods, trash to me.
Best bet is to exploit the system, found some sweet looking stuff and sell it.
Xue Yi Liang
If you happen to be one of the players who has over a million in gold and items - spending 100K or more is no big deal ... so why not buy it? I farmed up a small fortune then I saw a unique item that had stats unparalleled. As the bidding crept up to 90K+ I just intervened and offered 250k and closed the deal. It felt like I hit the bidders with some Elite bidding shutdown skill (guilty pleasure).
Sure, you might argue that 250k for an item that's only slightly better is a waste. But it's only wasteful if you don't have much more than that to spend. If it's a small fraction of your total assets then it's no big deal.
Sure, you might argue that 250k for an item that's only slightly better is a waste. But it's only wasteful if you don't have much more than that to spend. If it's a small fraction of your total assets then it's no big deal.
Rydier
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A 20/20 healing staff/focus doesn't give me coverage on prot skills.
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Tijger
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When you've pretty much done everything, then yeah you're gonna wanna look your best. You might as well, what else are you going to do with it.
The only thing that bugs me is in FoW and UW and a lousy, no where near max damage chaos axe or storm bow drops and people freak. And when one is max, everyone says "Lucky, nice drop". Who cares? The thing is white, no inherent mods, trash to me. Best bet is to exploit the system, found some sweet looking stuff and sell it. |
Agreed, a lot of people fawn over my Storm Bow when its no better or worse then a Longbow except for the looks, mine happens to be a very nice gold one I found in UW but I wouldnt have paid 100K for it. I've found pretty meh Storm Bows I've been able to sell for 10x the value of a similar Longbow. I'll exploit that any day.
Kazahana
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A 20/20 healing staff/focus doesn't give me coverage on prot skills. [ ]
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take an energy hit and get a 20/20 healing foci and worths rod
EDIT: oh and collectors dont have +30 hp always 8 str req shields
fergburger
In Lion's Arch while looking to buy a clean max Sickle, I was PM'd by a seller saying he had one for sale for 5k... I thought "ok..." (normally I don't pay more than 1k for a clean max anything, but since I really want one of these, I was gonna make an exception). He opened trade and tossed the sickle in, and it was 5-10 dmg. A
fter inquiring about the bizzare price for a low teir item, he claimed these are far more rare than finding a Perfect Chaos, Fellblade, ect...he went on for a while after trade was closed and I walked away. Prices for anything are getting crazy - not just gold or greens from what I see.
fter inquiring about the bizzare price for a low teir item, he claimed these are far more rare than finding a Perfect Chaos, Fellblade, ect...he went on for a while after trade was closed and I walked away. Prices for anything are getting crazy - not just gold or greens from what I see.
Teufel Eldritch
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A prot staff doesn't help with healing (or resurrecting)...
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sleazeh
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I am very cheap...
My monk that beat the game still has the armor I bought at like Yak's Bend-Kryta area (30AL |
Aesthetic considerations, their relative value to you and your bank account, and degree of frugality are one thing.
Using Yak's armor in those situations is another.
Yichi
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Anyone actually found a 20/20 healing/prot staff collector?
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Arcanis the Omnipotent
Its my opinion that everyone should just choose weapons depending on their needs.
I'm a Mesmer/Aeromancer who studies Illusion and Domination. I have 3 weapons:
Purple:
Insightful Jeweled Staff of Defense
11-22 Chaos Damage (Illusion Req)
Improves Casting time on Air Magic Skills (13% Chance)
Energy +5
Armor +5
20% Damage (I always customize)
Gold:
Hale Air Staff of Fortitude
11-22 Lightning Damage
Improves Casting speed using Domination Skills (18%)
Health +29
Health +23
20% Damage
Blue Collectors 20/20
Defensive Inscribed Staff of Domination Magic
11-22 Chaos Damage
Improves Domination Cast time: (20% Chance)
Improves Domination Recharge Time (20% Chance)
Domination Magic +1 (19% Chance when using skills) *Really want a 20%*
Armor +5
20% Damage
And soon I'll be getting my Green weapon, the Willcrusher, so then I'll have one of each color.
I'm a Mesmer/Aeromancer who studies Illusion and Domination. I have 3 weapons:
Purple:
Insightful Jeweled Staff of Defense
11-22 Chaos Damage (Illusion Req)
Improves Casting time on Air Magic Skills (13% Chance)
Energy +5
Armor +5
20% Damage (I always customize)
Gold:
Hale Air Staff of Fortitude
11-22 Lightning Damage
Improves Casting speed using Domination Skills (18%)
Health +29
Health +23
20% Damage
Blue Collectors 20/20
Defensive Inscribed Staff of Domination Magic
11-22 Chaos Damage
Improves Domination Cast time: (20% Chance)
Improves Domination Recharge Time (20% Chance)
Domination Magic +1 (19% Chance when using skills) *Really want a 20%*
Armor +5
20% Damage
And soon I'll be getting my Green weapon, the Willcrusher, so then I'll have one of each color.