Skills - Spiteful Spirit
Kampfkeks
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Originally Posted by Man With No Name
Elitest Post
Gotta love elitists for breakfast.
You really assume people know what they are doing? That was a good one. I even saw wannabe Professionals out of this board that stomp on any newbie question that occuers... casting right through BACKFIRE and die from it. And you really do assume there is more than 2 folks who stop attacking under this? You are NOT serious about that are you?
You know that you can get a counter for ANYTHING in Guildwars. Stopping to attack will counter it. Sure thing, but stopping the attack if you see your target cast clumsiness and ineptitude will also stop them from working. Partly. Why only partly? Because they just took you out of the game for a few seconds, there is more to guildwars and even more to winning than just raw damage. I thought elitists would know that...
Saying something is "noob omgz0r ololoo9ooolfroflcopter!" just because you can counter it is bullshit. And if the simple applying of spiteful will make you cry for love from your monk... well that is a great thing and i'm waiting for that to happen as well when i'm on my Mesmer/Necro. You know, either way your team loses something. You either keep attacking and die from it. You stop attacking and cry for monk love. Your monk will either remove that hex... which will be very hard with me spamming diversion, powerblock etc onto him just because i EXPECT him to remove that hex. If i block his hex removel, hoo-wee... you're standing still and not doing anything and he lost his removal.
If he ignores it because he expects ME to stand there lurking for his hex removal... you will still be standing. Either way, a win for me.
You really assume people know what they are doing? That was a good one. I even saw wannabe Professionals out of this board that stomp on any newbie question that occuers... casting right through BACKFIRE and die from it. And you really do assume there is more than 2 folks who stop attacking under this? You are NOT serious about that are you?
You know that you can get a counter for ANYTHING in Guildwars. Stopping to attack will counter it. Sure thing, but stopping the attack if you see your target cast clumsiness and ineptitude will also stop them from working. Partly. Why only partly? Because they just took you out of the game for a few seconds, there is more to guildwars and even more to winning than just raw damage. I thought elitists would know that...
Saying something is "noob omgz0r ololoo9ooolfroflcopter!" just because you can counter it is bullshit. And if the simple applying of spiteful will make you cry for love from your monk... well that is a great thing and i'm waiting for that to happen as well when i'm on my Mesmer/Necro. You know, either way your team loses something. You either keep attacking and die from it. You stop attacking and cry for monk love. Your monk will either remove that hex... which will be very hard with me spamming diversion, powerblock etc onto him just because i EXPECT him to remove that hex. If i block his hex removel, hoo-wee... you're standing still and not doing anything and he lost his removal.
If he ignores it because he expects ME to stand there lurking for his hex removal... you will still be standing. Either way, a win for me.
Man With No Name
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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks
You really assume people know what they are doing? That was a good one. I even saw wannabe Professionals out of this board that stomp on any newbie question that occuers... casting right through BACKFIRE and die from it. And you really do assume there is more than 2 folks who stop attacking under this? You are NOT serious about that are you?
You know that you can get a counter for ANYTHING in Guildwars. Stopping to attack will counter it. Sure thing, but stopping the attack if you see your target cast clumsiness and ineptitude will also stop them from working. Partly. Why only partly? Because they just took you out of the game for a few seconds, there is more to guildwars and even more to winning than just raw damage. I thought elitists would know that...
Saying something is "noob omgz0r ololoo9ooolfroflcopter!" just because you can counter it is bullshit. And if the simple applying of spiteful will make you cry for love from your monk... well that is a great thing and i'm waiting for that to happen as well when i'm on my Mesmer/Necro. You know, either way your team loses something. You either keep attacking and die from it. You stop attacking and cry for monk love. Your monk will either remove that hex... which will be very hard with me spamming diversion, powerblock etc onto him just because i EXPECT him to remove that hex. If i block his hex removel, hoo-wee... you're standing still and not doing anything and he lost his removal.
If he ignores it because he expects ME to stand there lurking for his hex removal... you will still be standing. Either way, a win for me.
I'm not going to try and convince you to bring nice blanket hexes like: Shadow of Fear / Faintheartedness + Enfeeble / Enfeebling Blood -- It's clear we've got a Spiteful Spirit zealot.
If your argument for using it is this: If they attack they get hit for 30 and if they don't attack they're not doing anything
Then I'd say: Since I won't be attacking with Spiteful anyway -- Faintheartedness + Enfeeble do a far better job for 15e -- Now two things need to be removed by Monks -- a Hex and a Condition.
And it's "ELITIST"
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I only like the skill for PvE or Random Arena, where the typical Warrior IS dumb enough to keep attacking through it and there isn't much hex removal going on.
So much hostility... No hostility chief. As silly as it sounds -- I want to see some better mesmers and necro's in the arenas -- I want you to disable my Warrior and kill my Monks / Soft targets
Slapping on Weakness and 50% slower attack speed has put me out of the fight -- I'll be hitting for about 4 damage a swing with my attack skills hitting for 40~ -- hardly worth carrying on.
Hitting me with garbage like Life Transfer and Siphon just let's me carry on my merry way.
As you said it's Random Arena or PvE stuff.
So much hostility... No hostility chief. As silly as it sounds -- I want to see some better mesmers and necro's in the arenas -- I want you to disable my Warrior and kill my Monks / Soft targets
Slapping on Weakness and 50% slower attack speed has put me out of the fight -- I'll be hitting for about 4 damage a swing with my attack skills hitting for 40~ -- hardly worth carrying on.
Hitting me with garbage like Life Transfer and Siphon just let's me carry on my merry way.
As you said it's Random Arena or PvE stuff.
Kampfkeks
I don't see a reason to quote a whole post when two words will describe it perfectly. I used the quote command to make sure you understand that i am referring to you.
You may call me spiteful zealot for all you like - i don't care. Especially when it is clear you are a zealot of other things. You shouldn't go and call others names when it is clear that you are by no means any better.
All the things you mentioned there... so many spells to achieve what one spell might achieve with a bit of gambling. Besides... from your point of view all those skills would be nullified... simply because you can easily counter them. See how the counter argument doesn't work in anyones favor?
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By the way... congratulations, you found a typo on someone whose mother tongue isn't english. You can go and... well think about it yourself.
You may call me spiteful zealot for all you like - i don't care. Especially when it is clear you are a zealot of other things. You shouldn't go and call others names when it is clear that you are by no means any better.
All the things you mentioned there... so many spells to achieve what one spell might achieve with a bit of gambling. Besides... from your point of view all those skills would be nullified... simply because you can easily counter them. See how the counter argument doesn't work in anyones favor?
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By the way... congratulations, you found a typo on someone whose mother tongue isn't english. You can go and... well think about it yourself.
Charcoal Ann
i find it strange the way that people just ignore my posts sometimes. i feel that i went over the ground you chaps are covering. is it because it is too big?
ok Mr Noname. congratulations! you are the third person i have ever encountered that will stop attacking when they have spiteful Spirit on them! you win a cookie.
I agree with Kampfkeks. i see on these boards so many things of: well my ranger packing 24 types of interrupts can OWN J00R sk1llz n00b!
so? everything is counterable. well if i use prot spirit them ineptitude and thingy become no better than spiteful. haha!! n00b!!
from experience i have only encountered 2 warriors in PvP that stopped when spiteful went on them. and THAT fulfilled its purpose. they stopped beating on the monk.
you call for a convert hexes? oh noes. such an intelligent tank! how can i beat you?? well, i also backfired the monk a wee while ago. he ain't concerned with you.
i've countered your counter. does that make you counter worthless? no. it is something to bear in mind when i build my Spiteful Spirit IWAY hunter build.
i could even spiteful spirit the monk. all those orisons he casts on you warriors will cause him dmg. he'll soon stop.
hexes are all about making something less effective. Spiteful does that. Ineptitude does that. but saying that Spiteful is useless because 1% of the warrior population stop attacking when it is applied is simply silly.
ok Mr Noname. congratulations! you are the third person i have ever encountered that will stop attacking when they have spiteful Spirit on them! you win a cookie.
I agree with Kampfkeks. i see on these boards so many things of: well my ranger packing 24 types of interrupts can OWN J00R sk1llz n00b!
so? everything is counterable. well if i use prot spirit them ineptitude and thingy become no better than spiteful. haha!! n00b!!
from experience i have only encountered 2 warriors in PvP that stopped when spiteful went on them. and THAT fulfilled its purpose. they stopped beating on the monk.
you call for a convert hexes? oh noes. such an intelligent tank! how can i beat you?? well, i also backfired the monk a wee while ago. he ain't concerned with you.
i've countered your counter. does that make you counter worthless? no. it is something to bear in mind when i build my Spiteful Spirit IWAY hunter build.
i could even spiteful spirit the monk. all those orisons he casts on you warriors will cause him dmg. he'll soon stop.
hexes are all about making something less effective. Spiteful does that. Ineptitude does that. but saying that Spiteful is useless because 1% of the warrior population stop attacking when it is applied is simply silly.
bhu987us
Any N/Me's in the house?
I've been trying an anti-war build by stacking Spiteful Spirit + Backfire....with both combined, warriors are getting 50 damage each time they take a swing at me. One strategy that I have found has worked wonders is luring warriors together into a chokepoint like a bridge. Once the warriors are close together I put Spiteful and Backfire on all warriors, and the damage seriously adds up. One warrior might stop to heal, but the warrior next to him keeps on hitting which means that warrior is getting hit too...
Anyone try stacking these 2 together? I'm getting great results.
I've been trying an anti-war build by stacking Spiteful Spirit + Backfire....with both combined, warriors are getting 50 damage each time they take a swing at me. One strategy that I have found has worked wonders is luring warriors together into a chokepoint like a bridge. Once the warriors are close together I put Spiteful and Backfire on all warriors, and the damage seriously adds up. One warrior might stop to heal, but the warrior next to him keeps on hitting which means that warrior is getting hit too...
Anyone try stacking these 2 together? I'm getting great results.
ZenRgy
Necro ele ftw.
Blinding Flash, or even a ranger to use throw dirt, anything like that...
Spiteful Spirit + Price of failure, you'll usually never get hit, and he's taking alot of damage per hit.
Blinding Flash, or even a ranger to use throw dirt, anything like that...
Spiteful Spirit + Price of failure, you'll usually never get hit, and he's taking alot of damage per hit.
CKaz
I think that's a good idea PvE
PvP not so much, although an attacker might work through one or the other (damage or missing) they're more likely to address the problem/stop swinging or shooting (particularly with blind) so you got less out of it.
Toss price of failure on the next close mob not bad idea too/different from spiteful targ - dont want the spiteful aoe dmg going away too quick
I'd even moreso suggest enfeeble (targ or area) - you just want to lower the damage you're taking while they kill themselves, again more PvE.
I'm a big fan of the targ/area slow (shadow of fear lots of fun) but with spiteful it doesnt make sense, you want them to rip themselves up with efficiency - Faintheartedness dropped on the spiteful neighbor not a bad idea
I'm actually doing a lot of toying with this trying to hench thirsty river.. had no problems with ele/me, did it with my warr, but reconfiguring my n/mo so I can take out those double monks in one of the last groups.. spiteful is part of that
PvP not so much, although an attacker might work through one or the other (damage or missing) they're more likely to address the problem/stop swinging or shooting (particularly with blind) so you got less out of it.
Toss price of failure on the next close mob not bad idea too/different from spiteful targ - dont want the spiteful aoe dmg going away too quick
I'd even moreso suggest enfeeble (targ or area) - you just want to lower the damage you're taking while they kill themselves, again more PvE.
I'm a big fan of the targ/area slow (shadow of fear lots of fun) but with spiteful it doesnt make sense, you want them to rip themselves up with efficiency - Faintheartedness dropped on the spiteful neighbor not a bad idea
I'm actually doing a lot of toying with this trying to hench thirsty river.. had no problems with ele/me, did it with my warr, but reconfiguring my n/mo so I can take out those double monks in one of the last groups.. spiteful is part of that
Shwitz
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Originally Posted by bhu987us
Any N/Me's in the house?
I've been trying an anti-war build by stacking Spiteful Spirit + Backfire....with both combined, warriors are getting 50 damage each time they take a swing at me. One strategy that I have found has worked wonders is luring warriors together into a chokepoint like a bridge. Once the warriors are close together I put Spiteful and Backfire on all warriors, and the damage seriously adds up. One warrior might stop to heal, but the warrior next to him keeps on hitting which means that warrior is getting hit too...
Anyone try stacking these 2 together? I'm getting great results. Do you mean Spiteful Spirit + Empathy? Backfire is anti-caster.
I've been trying an anti-war build by stacking Spiteful Spirit + Backfire....with both combined, warriors are getting 50 damage each time they take a swing at me. One strategy that I have found has worked wonders is luring warriors together into a chokepoint like a bridge. Once the warriors are close together I put Spiteful and Backfire on all warriors, and the damage seriously adds up. One warrior might stop to heal, but the warrior next to him keeps on hitting which means that warrior is getting hit too...
Anyone try stacking these 2 together? I'm getting great results. Do you mean Spiteful Spirit + Empathy? Backfire is anti-caster.
bhu987us
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Originally Posted by Shwitz
Do you mean Spiteful Spirit + Empathy? Backfire is anti-caster.
WOOPS. My Bad. I had a hangover. I meant Spiteful Spirit + Empathy!!!!
βlitzkrieg
Yeah, it can combined with Empathy to doe twice the damage, and if one gets removed, you still have the other up.
Daegul Mistweaver
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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks
Gotta love elitists for breakfast.
I like eggs.
Gogetter
South of Camp Rankor (Talus Chute)
Hes just outside, you cant miss him, took me about 10 goes to get him to spawn.
Name: Nighh Spinechill
Hes just outside, you cant miss him, took me about 10 goes to get him to spawn.
Name: Nighh Spinechill
yesitsrob
Just a question about this skill which I and a few guildies debated about.
If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?
I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...
So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful
If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?
I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...
So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful
LightningHell
Actually, it also works with spells, so it can also *try* disabling casters. Huh, well monks are generally more concerned about caster health than warriors, so I think that wouldn't really work as well as Spiteful Spirit + Dumb Warrior. (Casters can spread out, anyways. Only some casters are dumb.)
NekoZ
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
Just a question about this skill which I and a few guildies debated about.
If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?
I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...
So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful Yes it still works. I just tested it againts a Rockshot real quick and it missed with Blind and still took damage.
If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?
I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...
So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful Yes it still works. I just tested it againts a Rockshot real quick and it missed with Blind and still took damage.
Crotalus
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
Just a question about this skill which I and a few guildies debated about.
If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?
I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...
So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful It also works with stances. I have been using a Spiteful Spirit/Price of Failure/Stances W/N for a while now. It is fun build.
If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?
I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...
So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful It also works with stances. I have been using a Spiteful Spirit/Price of Failure/Stances W/N for a while now. It is fun build.
Devil16
u guys seem to be making a lot of fuse about this skill, let me clear soem things up
1. it sucks in pvp
2. it rocks when used properly in farmin
there you have it
1. it sucks in pvp
2. it rocks when used properly in farmin
there you have it
damocles
It also rocks in PvP.
Dmitri3
Funniest thing I've noticed about this skill is that you don't get damaged by Spiteful when you are using pet's attacks.
Suuk
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Originally Posted by Devil16
u guys seem to be making a lot of fuse about this skill, let me clear soem things up
1. it sucks in pvp
there you have it Can you please elaborate on that? The very eloquent way you wrote it here
is a tad too mysterieus for us, at least for me. From my experience it is very useful in PvP, especially in the random arenas and to some extent in tombs when facing IWAY teams.
Again, it would be helpful if you can give the arguments/tell us your experience.
1. it sucks in pvp
there you have it Can you please elaborate on that? The very eloquent way you wrote it here
is a tad too mysterieus for us, at least for me. From my experience it is very useful in PvP, especially in the random arenas and to some extent in tombs when facing IWAY teams.Again, it would be helpful if you can give the arguments/tell us your experience.
tafy69
This hex certainly doesnt suck in PvP, the only time it sucks is when you go against a team without a warrior. then it does suck a bit.
chidon
get arcane echo... cast 4 of them in under 20 sec, even if u have it as secondary thats 116damage every attack, just make sure to cast it on 4 sep targets, not AS effective in pvp, but in pve deffinatly one of the best
Skuld
its way better than empathy - shadow damage ignores armour doesn't it
CKaz
so does empathy damage.. it's better than empathy for other reasons
spiteful is also an elite so one would hope it's better than empathy
of course as others have pointed out nothing stops you from using both
(or spiteful + backfire on casters, etc) - well outside of not being part mesmer
spiteful is also an elite so one would hope it's better than empathy
of course as others have pointed out nothing stops you from using both
(or spiteful + backfire on casters, etc) - well outside of not being part mesmer
GuildWarsPlayer
This skill is just one of the top 5 elites for me, it has purely no drawbacks and all advantage you can seek out of a skill :
1°) Okay energy cost : 15 energy is quite big, but manageable.
2°) Very short cooldown : what i like in these kind of spells is that the cooldown is less than its duration. Meaning you can effectively keep it up all the time on a target
3°) Triggered by *EVERYTHING*, an attack, a spell, a signet, a stance, even a shout WTF !
4°) Shadow damage... no need to explain it
5°) AoE ! And best of all it does not trigger AoE Panic
Just a tip : Couple it with massive health degen (-8 health degen) and it is a WINNER COMBO. Quite everybody will try to react when they see their health going down, thus take far more damage.
I've used it for a farming build (found it out myself not been copying the builds around) and if you understand you can put this on 2 different ennemy you can have a permanent 29 Damage per sec on all monsters around you (and this is AT LEAST the amount you would make). With a 55 monk => GG
1°) Okay energy cost : 15 energy is quite big, but manageable.
2°) Very short cooldown : what i like in these kind of spells is that the cooldown is less than its duration. Meaning you can effectively keep it up all the time on a target
3°) Triggered by *EVERYTHING*, an attack, a spell, a signet, a stance, even a shout WTF !
4°) Shadow damage... no need to explain it
5°) AoE ! And best of all it does not trigger AoE Panic
Just a tip : Couple it with massive health degen (-8 health degen) and it is a WINNER COMBO. Quite everybody will try to react when they see their health going down, thus take far more damage.
I've used it for a farming build (found it out myself not been copying the builds around) and if you understand you can put this on 2 different ennemy you can have a permanent 29 Damage per sec on all monsters around you (and this is AT LEAST the amount you would make). With a 55 monk => GG
Hundbert
Remember you can't echo this skill because both are elites. You can however use arcane echo.
Im playing mostly monks in the arenas. This is one skill i don't like to have one me. It really nasty.
Some people here must be inexperienced and think you can spam convert hexes like you have 1000 energy. Do you realize that as a monk you will be the prime target all the time. You definitely can't be spamming convert hexes like a freak. It costs 15 energy and is muuuch to costly to keep using many times.
Im playing mostly monks in the arenas. This is one skill i don't like to have one me. It really nasty.
Some people here must be inexperienced and think you can spam convert hexes like you have 1000 energy. Do you realize that as a monk you will be the prime target all the time. You definitely can't be spamming convert hexes like a freak. It costs 15 energy and is muuuch to costly to keep using many times.
disposable-hero
PvP - ranger with pet - cast it on the pet your the only one who'll know what it's been cast on since it wont show up on the rangers display. while the war around the pet in melee are taking the dmg
Johnny Hugger
hey i have a n/me and im goin for an SS necro. I was just wonderin if anyone knew a good skill set up for me to get started with. i was thinkin something along the lines of arcane echo, spiteful spirit (of course), empathy, price of failure (maybe), awaken the blood, mark of pain, and of course res sig. if anyone could help me out that would be great. thanks in advance.
Formosa
hey i have a n/me and im goin for an SS necro. I was just wonderin if anyone knew a good skill set up for me to get started with. i was thinkin something along the lines of arcane echo, spiteful spirit (of course), empathy, price of failure (maybe), awaken the blood, mark of pain, and of course res sig. if anyone could help me out that would be great. thanks in advance.
Here's mine:
Awaken the Blood
Archane Echo
SS {E}
Suffering
Desecrate Enchantments
Shadow of Fear (if a bonder or tank screws up...in a pinch, really)
Channeling (5+ foes make it very effective)
Res
Of course, that ^^, is PvE. SS nukers can do around 2.5x as much DPS as an ele nuker.
Here's mine:
Awaken the Blood
Archane Echo
SS {E}
Suffering
Desecrate Enchantments
Shadow of Fear (if a bonder or tank screws up...in a pinch, really)
Channeling (5+ foes make it very effective)
Res
Of course, that ^^, is PvE. SS nukers can do around 2.5x as much DPS as an ele nuker.
Bdubfootball
what u need to remember all u ignorant PvPers is that some skills are better for PvE...think about this on a giant mob of stupid trolls, who (not smart enough to not attack) continue to attack and deal countless amounts of damage to not only them, but every1 around em. So maybe this skill is not so good for PvP...SO WHAT this game is not based around PvP for some, and like me i focus more on PvE, and IMO this is the best skill for a necro to get if they want to deal some serious damage to a mob.
The Lich Ranger
Best skill ever
Brokenrule
on canta ( the faction side of the world ) where can i cap SS?
Former Ruling
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Originally Posted by Brokenrule
on canta ( the faction side of the world ) where can i cap SS?
You cant.
It is a ch1 area only elite.
It is a ch1 area only elite.
BloodSugarSexMagik
Is this a Core Skill or A prophecies skill?
zelira
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Originally Posted by BloodSugarSexMagik
Is this a Core Skill or A prophecies skill?
It's a prophecies skill.