The *sshole district

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Creston
I wish there was a voting system in this game. If a player gets 25 votes that say "*sshole" from other players, he gets banned to the *sshole district, where he can only play with the other retards. God, that would clean this game up right quick.

Creston
Credit for the idea goes to Creston and this quote is from a different thread he posted on.

Now my improvement to this idea. Make the perrson stay in the *sshole district for 1 week then they can come back to the regular districts but they now need 5 less votes to be sent back (25 then 20 the 15...).

The votes have to be by different accounts so you cant have somone get mad and vote 25 times to kick someone to the *sshole district.

If a player manages to get sent to the district 6 times (when it would require 0 votes to be sent back) they are penalized all the gold they have on the account and cant come back for 2 weeks.

After a person has been sent to the district for every week they go after being reales with no votes to send them back they move up to the next vote requirment (20 to 25...).

What do you think about this idea?

Jwh6913

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Death Infernal Evil

Mo/R

won't work anet isn't gonna alienate people and it's extremely abusable- hjave 25 friends on your list and ask them all to send them to the 'baddie' district bang there he goes, and redo everytime then all gold is gone. even if tha tperson doesn't deserve it. also the baddies and their friends can do it to YOU for revenge! OR for no good reason at all.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Then increase the number to say 50 and make it so that no more than 10 can be from the same guild or on eachothers friends lists. To stop the abuse ANet could also make it so that once you vote to send someone their its a permanent vote> I'm sorry my orginal post should say 20 new people 15 new people etc.

BTW I never said that ANEt was going to do this, and check your grammar and spelling.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

horrible idea. because often if a player is the very best player on the team who criticsizes his own team mates for dying due to sheer idiocy on their own part; then those sucky players will scapegoat the good player for their own horrible playing

hence, any type of "voting" system in this game would be illegitimate and morally wrong. no justice would be done with that. only the good players would be penalized.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

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I don't think this would work. If someone is being a big enough "@$$hole" in the worst way, then they can get banned instead of going to some district. If it isn't a bannable offense, either switch districts or stay away from the offending person

Madjik

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
horrible idea. because often if a player is the very best player on the team who criticsizes his own team mates for dying due to sheer idiocy on their own part; then those sucky players will scapegoat the good player for their own horrible playing

hence, any type of "voting" system in this game would be illegitimate and morally wrong. no justice would be done with that. only the good players would be penalized.
agreed navaros. I dont belive this "Survivor" technique (voting someone off the island or in this case, to a diffrent district) is capable of solving anything in any way, and will only serve to tear apart the community. Even increasing the number of votes required wouldnt work, since a guild can have up to 100 people. It would only take a quick "Hey, lets throw this guy into the **shole district" from the leader of such a guild on the guild channel to create an exploitable situation.

There are much better ways to deal with idiots, such as putting them on your ignore list or staying away from them all together.

EmperorTippy

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I'm talking about the people who quit in the middle of matches, go AFK in FoW or UW, spam the local chat with trade requests continusly, aggro everything in sitght for no reason and in general do the things that everyone complains about on these forums.

This wasn't an idea I came up with it was something brought up by another that I mearly attempted to refine because it seemed like it had potential.

To what Navaros said i agree with you but I am tlking about a place for people who are the sheer idiots who dont learn and mess up the gaming experiance for the rest of us, and no I am not sure how to stop the scapegoating that would occur.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madjik
Even increasing the number of votes required wouldnt work, since a guild can have up to 100 people. It would only take a quick "Hey, lets throw this guy into the **shole district" from the leader of such a guild on the guild channel to create an exploitable situation.

There are much better ways to deal with idiots, such as putting them on your ignore list or staying away from them all together.
If you read my second post I said allow no more than ten of the votes to be from people in the same guild or from people on eachothers friends list.

My guild has a policy that whenever anyone in the guild finds an @$$hole player we post their IGN on our website and we all add them to our ingore list.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
horrible idea. because often if a player is the very best player on the team who criticsizes his own team mates for dying due to sheer idiocy on their own part; then those sucky players will scapegoat the good player for their own horrible playing

hence, any type of "voting" system in this game would be illegitimate and morally wrong. no justice would be done with that. only the good players would be penalized.
I find henchies the most reliable, even though they're lower level and do stupid things sometimes like stand in the poisonous swamps. Many times, it was either waste time waiting for a good PUG to do a mission or do them with henchies.

OTOH, there will always be A-holes who think they know everything and berate everyone in the team. I was in this PUG to do the frostgate mission where a level 20 monk was helping out. When someone did not skip the video clip, he threatened to leave and even tried to find out who didn't skip...I mean how childish can he get? While doing the bonus part, everyone died except me and him...

Another mission(Gates of Kryta), this mad female warrior kept telling everyone to pick up all items and drop them if they didn't want them so she could have them. Obviously she never considered, some ppl did not pick them up because they had no space in their inventory. Eventually, the mission ended in failure because Hablion died. Someone went into the swamp too early...and she scolded everyone....what a bitch!!! I gave up and did it with henchies...after all this was my 6th character...and last profession.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaglorD
I find henchies the most reliable, even though they're lower level and do stupid things sometimes like stand in the poisonous swamps. Many times, it was either waste time waiting for a good PUG to do a mission or do them with henchies.

OTOH, there will always be A-holes who think they know everything and berate everyone in the team. I was in this PUG to do the frostgate mission where a level 20 monk was helping out. When someone did not skip the video clip, he threatened to leave and even tried to find out who didn't skip...I mean how childish can he get? While doing the bonus part, everyone died except me and him...

Another mission(Gates of Kryta), this mad female warrior kept telling everyone to pick up all items and drop them if they didn't want them so she could have them. Obviously she never considered, some ppl did not pick them up because they had no space in their inventory. Eventually, the mission ended in failure because Hablion died. Someone went into the swamp too early...and she scolded everyone....what a bitch!!! I gave up and did it with henchies...after all this was my 6th character...and last profession.
Now imagin both of those players on the same team. Maybe they will learn to be better members of the community or they will get along with eachother and start teamng up so the rest of us don't have to deal with them.

Madjik

Madjik

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
If you read my second post I said allow no more than ten of the votes to be from people in the same guild or from people on eachothers friends list.

My guild has a policy that whenever anyone in the guild finds an @$$hole player we post their IGN on our website and we all add them to our ingore list.
I do indeed see that now, where I did not before.

I still however, stand by the rest of my statement. There are far better ways to deal with such people, exiling them to thier own area solves nothing and makes them feel unwanted.

Some of before mentioned idiots are mearly newbs, people who will eventually have enough knowledge to play the game effectively and maybe even come up with a combination of skills you never would have thought of. Todays idiot could be tomarrows top PvP contender....you just dont know.

My suggestion remains the same. If you find an idiot, simply put them on your ignore list and avoid them.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madjik
I do indeed see that now, where I did not before.

I still however, stand by the rest of my statement. There are far better ways to deal with such people, exiling them to thier own area solves nothing and makes them feel unwanted.

Some of before mentioned idiots are mearly newbs, people who will eventually have enough knowledge to play the game effectively and maybe even come up with a combination of skills you never would have thought of. Todays idiot could be tomarrows top PvP contender....you just dont know.

My suggestion remains the same. If you find an idiot, simply put them on your ignore list and avoid them.
I agree with your idea wholehartedly and I differenchiate between newbs and the accesended @$$holes who are on Thunderhead Keep and don't no what the aggro circle is.

Maybe make it so that people can only be sent to the @$$hole district after they have passed LA on atleast 1 character.

Jwh6913

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Death Infernal Evil

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the idea is horrible from all sides. deal with it. in the real world we can't send *ssholes to a different district. Deal with them and move on.

Also, Give up on this, anet isn't gonna implement this. Try to think of it from the Dev's viewpoint. unecessary punishment isn't fun. let Anet take care of the punishment and focus on your own fun.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwh6913
the idea is horrible from all sides. deal with it. in the real world we can't send *ssholes to a different district. Deal with them and move on.

Also, Give up on this, anet isn't gonna implement this. Try to think of it from the Dev's viewpoint. unecessary punishment isn't fun. let Anet take care of the punishment and focus on your own fun.
I never said that you could do this to people in the real world. I paid my $50 just like all the others to play this game and have an enjoyable experiance, but these @$$holes are taking away from that enjoyment and the enjoyment of others. So put all the people who do this together and see what happenes. If it didn't work ANet could always go back to the way it is now with no problems.

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

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Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
I agree with your idea wholehartedly and I differenchiate between newbs and the accesended @$$holes who are on Thunderhead Keep and don't no what the aggro circle is.

Maybe make it so that people can only be sent to the @$$hole district after they have passed LA on atleast 1 character.
So, being uninformed, even at a late stage, makes you an asshole?

This is a perfect example of why this system wouldn't work. I could care less if people quit out of my group - why should they stay if they're not having fun? - but some people seem to treat it like the eighth deadly sin. Because opinions on everything differ so radically, you would probably end up getting banished to limbo for someone else's pet peeve.

Jwh6913

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Death Infernal Evil

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one thing I would do if your idea were implented on the forums- I'd send you to the *sshole forums just cuz I want to. Get it?

stupidity is universal, and intelligence is finite. get used to that idea.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
So, being uninformed, even at a late stage, makes you an asshole?

This is a perfect example of why this system wouldn't work. I could care less if people quit out of my group - why should they stay if they're not having fun? - but some people seem to treat it like the eighth deadly sin. Because opinions on everything differ so radically, you would probably end up getting banished to limbo for someone else's pet peeve.
Probabily true and quitting realy only annoys me when they do it right after a skill capture or right before that one point were you really need everybody.

And I never said that being uniformed made you an asshole. Imagine it like this in the real world.

A 5 year old takes a toy out of a store. What happens when hes caught? Hes told not to do it again and nothing reallt happens, but you have a 16 year old walk out of the store with a toy and he is charged with shoplifting even if he never knew that this was wrong.

Yes you might get some honest to god people caught but be realalistic how hard would it be for you to convince 50 people that you are an @$$hole and deserve to be sent to this district if you were just an uniformed person who made an honest mistake.

aja

aja

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Old Guard

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hurray for the ignore list

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

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Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
Probabily true and quitting realy only annoys me when they do it right after a skill capture or right before that one point were you really need everybody.

And I never said that being uniformed made you an asshole. Imagine it like this in the real world.

A 5 year old takes a toy out of a store. What happens when hes caught? Hes told not to do it again and nothing reallt happens, but you have a 16 year old walk out of the store with a toy and he is charged with shoplifting even if he never knew that this was wrong.

Yes you might get some honest to god people caught but be realalistic how hard would it be for you to convince 50 people that you are an @$$hole and deserve to be sent to this district if you were just an uniformed person who made an honest mistake.
When you said "the accesended @$$holes who are on Thunderhead Keep and don't no what the aggro circle is" I made that connection. Was I wrong to?

And honestly it depends on the people, which was my original point. Chances are, no matter what kind of player you are, someone, somewhere, is going to take an issue with it. Even if it's only one person in 100, how many people are there in GW? Thousands, which means that whoever you may be, whatever your behavior may be like, there are at least 50 people out there right now who would black-mark you in a rage and feel right about it afterwards (to say nothing of those who would do it wrongly and knowingly, of which there are probably more).

My point is, who gets to decide what constitutes "asshole" behavior? You mentioned earlier that "these @$$holes are taking away from that enjoyment and the enjoyment of others" but that's only your opinion. Like I said, I could care less about people quitting from groups while you take issue. Which one of us is right, when you consider that quitters and non-quitters have both paid $50 to play this game in the non-asshole districts? Unless they make it a rule that you have to stay with a group after you join no matter what kind of dumbasses you ended up with, neither of us.

So as much as you'd like to just throw in a big cure-all solution to the problem of unsavory individuals in the community and eat the losses when it comes to innocents falling victim, I'm telling you to curb that impulse. Social problems don't go away that easy, which explains why so many exist in the world today. When you become a victim of your own flavor of asshole behavior, just grit your teeth and bear it like the rest of us. The sooner you learn to put up with it, the better off you'll be.

Jwh6913

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Death Infernal Evil

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Amen Darren jasper!

just give it up tippy.

in addeum to his post, your behavior on this topic tends to make me think you are one yourself. there's infinite diversity in infinite combinations. some people may be absolute geniuses at playing as a elementalist, but suck at playing a monk, etc, etc just bear it and just play. You could always quit and play a Fps- I -think- Hexen is the name of it, It is or used to be a swords/sorcery fps way back in early 90's

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
When you said "the accesended @$$holes who are on Thunderhead Keep and don't no what the aggro circle is" I made that connection. Was I wrong to?

And honestly it depends on the people, which was my original point. Chances are, no matter what kind of player you are, someone, somewhere, is going to take an issue with it. Even if it's only one person in 100, how many people are there in GW? Thousands, which means that whoever you may be, whatever your behavior may be like, there are at least 50 people out there right now who would black-mark you in a rage and feel right about it afterwards (to say nothing of those who would do it wrongly and knowingly, of which there are probably more).

My point is, who gets to decide what constitutes "asshole" behavior? You mentioned earlier that "these @$$holes are taking away from that enjoyment and the enjoyment of others" but that's only your opinion. Like I said, I could care less about people quitting from groups while you take issue. Which one of us is right, when you consider that quitters and non-quitters have both paid $50 to play this game in the non-asshole districts? Unless they make it a rule that you have to stay with a group after you join no matter what kind of dumbasses you ended up with, neither of us.

So as much as you'd like to just throw in a big cure-all solution to the problem of unsavory individuals in the community and eat the losses when it comes to innocents falling victim, I'm telling you to curb that impulse. Social problems don't go away that easy, which explains why so many exist in the world today. When you become a victim of your own flavor of asshole behavior, just grit your teeth and bear it like the rest of us. The sooner you learn to put up with it, the better off you'll be.
I know all of that and this probably isn't a good idea I mearly put it out here to see what kind of responce I would get and if anyone would offer a more reasonable alternative.

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

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Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
I know all of that and this probably isn't a good idea I mearly put it out here to see what kind of responce I would get and if anyone would offer a more reasonable alternative.
Well you're not to blame for wanting to fix it. I just personally don't think punishing people is the right way to go in this case. It might work from a parent to a toddler, but the kind of kiddie we're usually dealing with is past the easily-corrected phase, thinks he knows everything, and definitely isn't going to yield to anyone who isn't his daddy, let alone on the internet.

My suggestion for an alternative has already come up in other threads, but why not replace quitters with a henchman doppelganger? Not a perfect solution, but maybe enough of a band-aid to let the group push through to the end.

βlitzkrieg

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Join Date: Mar 2005

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Crazy is right... apart from this neevr working, just because they appear assholes to you doesn't make them assholes allround...

King of Fools

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

south korea

Angels of Anarchy

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generally speaking, putting a-holes together will just make them worse a-holes. i much prefer a system where if you report a character for a specific behavior, and someone else also reports them then that character is locked out of game for 1 hour. this goes up by 1 hour for each time that character gets reported by a NEW different account.

at some point, the player will either be perma-banned or he will have learned to play nicely with others.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

I agree and I disagree. Nothing bugs me more than waiting 15 minutes for the monk to join, just to play for maybe 10 minutes, and spend another 15 minutes waiting for a new monk because of some @$$hole.

Those people who get really frustrated when playing this need to realize something. This is a freaking game! It's a game, nothing about it has any material worth or value outside in the real world.

I just wish I could do PvP with henchmen because I don't spend long hours studying and doing tests at college, to come home and get a few minutes of playtime because someone had a sudden change of heart.

The only reason I disagree is that it could be exploited. Like the monks you'll see in town you could easily pay someone to vote someone as an @$$hole. There should be a method where you can send your message log to ANet so they can judge with their own minds. I know for one thing the American district players using all kinds of offensive slang at the Koreans every match deserve to be banned.

Nokomis

Nokomis

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Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
Credit for the idea goes to Creston and this quote is from a different thread he posted on.

Now my improvement to this idea. Make the perrson stay in the *sshole district for 1 week then they can come back to the regular districts but they now need 5 less votes to be sent back (25 then 20 the 15...).

The votes have to be by different accounts so you cant have somone get mad and vote 25 times to kick someone to the *sshole district.

If a player manages to get sent to the district 6 times (when it would require 0 votes to be sent back) they are penalized all the gold they have on the account and cant come back for 2 weeks.

After a person has been sent to the district for every week they go after being reales with no votes to send them back they move up to the next vote requirment (20 to 25...).

What do you think about this idea?
I completely understand the impulse behind this idea. Truly. The stupid rudeness in GW can reach epic proportions. But therein lies the problem. Much of the GW community is amazingly awful and any system like the one you describe would be immediately corrupted and used to annoy and harrass innocent players.

--Nokomis

Rieselle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Melbourne, Australia

E/Rt

How about this? Anyone who votes someone as an a@@hole, also gets one vote against themselves? (and no banning or gold penalties, just relegation to the a@@hole zone)

People who like to think of others as a@@holes are usually a@@holes themselves.

And if someone is truly an a@@hole without peer, then I'm sure decent players would be willing to "sacrifice themselves for the good of all" and vote the guy

At the very least, it would make an interesting social experiment

Stev0

Stev0

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I wonder why this thread has'nt been closed within 10 minutes of IT'S start. =\

I then point to here...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=16966

Aaaaagh

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

This wont work. All the actuall @ssholes would just go around giving everyone a negative vote. Cause they are...well...@ssholes.

primal98

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

It would have a reverse affect. Eventually the non-asshole server would be virtually empty and the asshole server would have everyone, seeing as everyone would be punting everyone else.

~prime

Jwh6913

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Death Infernal Evil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by primal98
It would have a reverse affect. Eventually the non-asshole server would be virtually empty and the asshole server would have everyone, seeing as everyone would be punting everyone else.

~prime
How true!

RaK

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Lords of The Dead

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Easily exploited though. A guild with 25 people can knock out any people in Tyria. Then they'll deem themselves as Game Managers and say if you don't give me this, I'll put you into so and so district.

And by the way, this idea is already implanted, it's called American District.

International District if you want to get some peace, though you have to toggle to get from traders.

Creston

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
Credit for the idea goes to Creston and this quote is from a different thread he posted on.

Now my improvement to this idea. Make the perrson stay in the *sshole district for 1 week then they can come back to the regular districts but they now need 5 less votes to be sent back (25 then 20 the 15...).

The votes have to be by different accounts so you cant have somone get mad and vote 25 times to kick someone to the *sshole district.

If a player manages to get sent to the district 6 times (when it would require 0 votes to be sent back) they are penalized all the gold they have on the account and cant come back for 2 weeks.

After a person has been sent to the district for every week they go after being reales with no votes to send them back they move up to the next vote requirment (20 to 25...).

What do you think about this idea?

Woot

Creston

Swarnt Brightstar

Swarnt Brightstar

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Madjik
agreed navaros. I dont belive this "Survivor" technique (voting someone off the island or in this case, to a diffrent district) is capable of solving anything in any way, and will only serve to tear apart the community. Even increasing the number of votes required wouldnt work, since a guild can have up to 100 people. It would only take a quick "Hey, lets throw this guy into the **shole district" from the leader of such a guild on the guild channel to create an exploitable situation.

There are much better ways to deal with idiots, such as putting them on your ignore list or staying away from them all together.

how 'bout just make them leave the district and make it so they cant go in the same district as you and or whisper you

Aidan Gawain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

While it would be nice if you could do this, it wouldn't work practically. Any sort of voting system could be abused in some way. And the abuse wouldn't just come from the bad players themselves. You could people from one region who watch the HoH winner reports and all vote to punish anyone from either of the other two regions who wins in the HoH. You could even have a large guild vote to punish all of the members of their rival guilds. PvP can't survive the ability to vote punishment upon your opponents.

While some solutions ahve been suggested, these all have ways of getting around them. For example, even if you don't count votes by people in the same guild/friends list, then they can always leave the guild/friends list, vote, then come back. If you raise the number of votes needed to punish someone, the abusers could just band together more.

The only way something like this would work is with a "/report [playername]" command that notifies the mods (including a description of the offense), and if someone gets reported enough, the mods moniter him and punish him if they see that the reports are true. This would be the only non-abusable method, but even it wouldn't work due to the amount of time the mods would have to spend on it.

Aidan Gawain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar
how 'bout just make them leave the district and make it so they cant go in the same district as you and or whisper you
Then people would be booting each other from district to district. If you want to be in a separate district from them, leave the district.

Or, they could expand /ignore to not show the ignored player's character on your screen. /ignore should already block whispers, though it's apparently glitched right now (of course, that can easily be fixed).

Talesin Darkbriar

Talesin Darkbriar

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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
Credit for the idea goes to Creston and this quote is from a different thread he posted on.
What do you think about this idea?
I like Crestons ideas normally, but this is a bad one.
Why?
Because although he has the best intentions in mind, this quickly becomes a popularity contest.
And who would be abusing it the most?

Why the very *ssholes it is designed to protect everyone else from!

Nay, the long-term answer is unfortunately also the more intensive one; be resolute and report violators with screenshots, logs, etc. as you come across them. It takes longer aye, but they stay gone once confirmed.

Talesin