All the noobs choose warriors?

Well Rangers are meant for pulling. They need to go ahead of the group to pull enemies back to the group. Most groups don't understand this. They see a ranger trying to pull and the rush in after him Dispite the white line he continually draws on the map telling n00bs to stay behind until the enemies come to them.

yes going up there to pull is one thing, staying up there til he is dead is quite another

There are a few things that warriors (tanks) need to know about their healers.

A.) Healers need to recharge between fights - the game is balanced so that monks can't carry much energy and are incapable of spamming out spells. So pay attention when a healer yells "wait." This is one of the most common blunders that kill a party.
B.) The warrior's job is, not only to fight the enemy, but to keep them from swarming the casters and the healers. A lousy warrior will dive as deep into the fray as possible expecting to get support - not realising that his "support" team is busy fighting the foes that he ran past.
C.) Whining "Heal me!" or "Rez me!" is pretty pointless. If a warrior is not being healed or rezzed it's NOT because the healer is unaware - it's usually because they're busy fighting or keeping someone else alive - In fact the healer focuses ONLY on the health bars unless they have to fight or run. A healer has to juggle the health of a whole party and that's pretty tough to do while a tank just has to focus on one person - themselves - that's why few people like to be a healers.
D.) Healing skills, as a rule, do NOT have an infinite range. When a tank splits off from the group to dive into another fight - that often carries them out of healing range. Then the healer is faced with a choice - is it ok to run out and heal/rez the stray tank (momentarily endagering the rest of the party and themselves in the process) or are things too unstable to step away?
E.) The healer is often the slowest member of the party. Why? Because while he's healing people after a fight - the healthy ones are already running off to the next fight. Also a dedicated healer needs to be in a position to see where he can see where most people are - and that's usually from the back somewhere. An irresponsible dedicated healer will stand somewhere in the front in harms way - then is surprised when they end up dead.

When a tank says that the healer is lousy they could be right or wrong - but, they're usually making that call based on sole the fact that they died quickly or didn't get rezzed immediately - and have no idea what the healer was dealing with at the time.

More often than not, it's an ill-informed warrior that screws it up for the group. And the best healer in the world can't compensate for just one irresponsible tank.

People pick warriors because they think they'll be the best class to play. My first class was a necro-mesmer, but then I figured out a nice way to combine the necromancer skills with warrior abilities, and haven't really looked back since.

Warriors think they are immortal because of their high armor, when they really aren't. And they can require a lot less thought in PvE. Admittedly, even I get lost in the C-Space routein, and charge off, but it's an accident on my part. (unless the target caller knows what he's doing, or I trust him, I rarely use T). In PvP, though, they are not easy to play. The skill combos are hard to pull off if the enemy knows what they are doing. And being on fire sort of sucks, though plague sending helps.

Honestly, the class I would have thought would have the most noobs would have been elementalist. Honestly, they are the most simple class around, with very few skill stackings (at least for fire magiks) and lots of raining death and destruction. Perfect for n00bs.

True. So very true.

I agree that the highest percentage of "noobs" in one class is in the warrior class. Although i definantly dont agree that they're all warriors, i thinks it funny when a ranger with the PvP flame slinger build runs right up to me, uses Greater Conflagation and atempts to hurt me when im standing right infront of him with a suit a drakescale and use ward against elements.

People cant seem to figure this out so here goes:

noob or n00b == person who has played for a while but acts newbish and can't seem to learn (These people should be despised)

newb == the new player to the game who makes a mistake and when told learn and don't do it again (They should be given advice and tips)

a lot of times where i've died, i was surrounded and completely unable to move anywhere, which then killed off any chances of retreating. also, a lot of those times, i was one of the only 2 survivors left of the group. all the monks, elementalists, etc... were killed in action. the only ones left were myself and another warrior/[whatever].

What you two survived this just proves that your a bad warrior.

Warrior that survives == bad warrior not doing his job as a tank
Warrior that dies first in a non-stupid group == a good warrior
Warrior on a team that doesn't die and is past accesion == team with a good healer

and how the **** do you expect a warrior to cover everything? there's only so much one warrior can cover. it's only your opinion. to my knowlege, i haven't had any complaints from people who have partied with me.

Choosing a character class in a new game largely depends on previous experiences of other games and impression gained from films. I have played AD&D and various rpg games long before p.c. and online games came along. My entry into that was influenced by films and books and my impression gained from them and to a lesser degree, my personality. I have maintained my liking for the character class (ranger) and have tried to carry that into every new game I try, sometimes it works, sometimes not (baldurs gate, neverwinter nights etc.) The thing about the warrior class is, for new players, especially with no experience of other games, it is the easiest to grasp and play therefore making a natural starting character.

I was just kidding. Sheesh thought the at the end would clue you in.

Forgot about the size of the warrior brain. Sorry I will try to be more considerate in the future.

Unfortunately, as much as noob warriors suck, n00b monks suck just as much. I was doing a mission with a PUG and had another monk in the party with us (including me), during the battle the other monk didn't heal much, casting Healing Breeze on party members whose health bars were barely touched. When I would lose 1/10 of my health, I'd find healing breeze on myself. As a Mo/N I keep Life Siphon handy so that I can take care of myself for that much longer while healing. Why that person was a monk was beyond me, because I held the party together with the healing.

Later on Monks become more needed. I was a Lvl 20 E/Mo and there were two other monks in our party for Thirsty River, we died at the Hydras because our Monks couldn't heal, well the one, because the other was a Smiter. If we had had a decent healer (and decent strategizing) we wouldn't have died so fast. Of course that Monk left after the 2nd death. I hate n00b monks.

n00b monks $uck worse than n00b (insert class here) because in most builds they can have the most pronounced affect on the group.

Something that annoys me about monks is if they don't state they are a smiting monk, as that can ruin a PUG. Either that or a group leader who doesn't ask the monks what type of monk they are. Personally i ask a monk as a soon as they join a group regardless if i'm the group leader or not what style of monk they are.

I hate any W/mo that think they can be a monk.

Amen... Not fair to a warrior player like me to hear such derrogatory comments...

As much as I hate when I (a W/Mo) say "no monk?" and the leader replies "aren't you /Mo?".

I chose warrior because that the same primary class i choose for Diablo 2, i guess i'm used to using warrior so much that i don't even bother to pick another character class. Also i like to be a tank and use melee skills to kill things faster!

You must be right Luggage, it must be the Warrior's fault. There are no skilless people who play the other character types.

So by your logic if I, the Warrior, am not the first one to die in a battle than I am not fulfilling my responsibility to my team?......That is funny.

Your response gives creedence to the original poster's statement. I've seen you post Luggage, your alot smarter than that.

Is there a rule that says the Warrior cannot retreat when a battle goes awry due to poor team planning? If so, then I missed that in the manual.

Yes you can't retreat and make all the baddies come after us casters. Retreat away from us.

To me both warrior and elementalist are newbie classes, as they are easier to play than, say, mesmers or necro. But there's nothing wrong with that. A warrior is like a foot soldier, and in any army, the number of foot soldiers is bound to be much higher than other types of support troops. So let newbies play warriors as long as they do well in them.

i have to give warriors some credit though, i have played all classes on here, monk is totally different game, watching life bars instead of fight, but warrior can suck too, wait til you are in a group with 3 ranger secondaries with pets, it can be a total pain trying to get past all the pets to get to the monsters

I've come across maybe one good warrior, other than mine, although my first character was primarily a nuker, so I didn't pay much attention to what the warriors did. I actually prefer a minion master over a warrior in groups.

Seems to me that most warriors just focus on damage dealing, and as a result they completely miss the tactics line, which can turn a warrior into an uber tank. Bonetti's Defense, Gladiator's Defense, Shield Stance, Defensive Stance, Deflect Arrows...shall I go on?

One time, my W/R was the last one up in my group, and she ended up lasting around a minute against 6 mobs using just shield stance and Bonetti's defense. It can really help you.

no? Ive met a warrior that got rank 2 with just his axe w/r :/

Best thing about Warrior is it's easy to set up escort runs and charge people for it.

As a monk I would never make it.

I think you have it twisted... It's not that only newbs ARE warriors, but newer people tend to choose warriors because they think it will be the simplest, which of course is not the case. But take me for example: You say they rush into war, get themselves killed and curse you out when you don't assist?.. We were on a quest, my entire party was annihilated, except for me, while there were 12 undead left. I single handedly took all of them out. But then again, I have almost a flawless skill setup with few weaknesses.

Don't stereotype warriors. I did not choose warriors because I am a newb looking for simplicity. I chose a warrior because I enjoy close combat, and liked the idea of how warriors arent just run and attack, run and attack, run and attack. I also like the feeling of glory, and the clash of swords.

***Note*** About what shadowdaemon said about the pets...... Yes, I do know the feeling. However I feel it's much worse when a necromancer feels he must summon over a dozen animated horrors (no joke on this!!)

LoL,

Warriors aint the problem. I think that you can look at the overall team for the "noob" calling. It's sterotyping to call a warrior a noobish, overrated character, and it's not cool to always point at the Warrior for the team's doings. Actually, the whole thing on warrior's is that some people just get pissed off because they die, usually when they do not have strong armour, such an elementalist. It's very opinionated, in the topic of a warrior being the one who is the noob.

I mean, come on, you guys all want a Tank? What's a tank? A rusher. What do you do when we rush? You complain. And what do you do when you die, because your stupid enough not to get in the back, or run away, YOU cuss at US. That's your fault. So don't blame us warriors. Blame yourself for your opinionated, hating, stereotyping, selves, not to mention your self-centered ego's. I aint pointin no fingers, but I mean, come on guys, wasting your lives complaining on how you died on a computer game? Man....that's sad.

Yes, I am a warrior. Representin. Peace.

But what if the warrior did wrong? What if the warrior got evryone killed. what if it was the warrior's fault?

Then res them with Unyielding Aura and keep him on a leash.

An elememtalist monk ,with a VERY specific skill set, can tank better than ANY other build except a warrior elemtalist, with a VERY specific skill set.

This elemtalist isn't a very easy build to play though and requires lots of experiance so you should tell people your skills and that you are going to tank etc.

I am a warrior and its not the class it is the player. Warriors they run into battle trying to take on one guy totaly seperating from the group and he becomes blindfolded to the surrounding enemy players and the health bar thinking he can kill the person just on time before healing. I know this because I use to play like this till i found out that I was not helping anyone by doing this. Now I always have to say to the group stick together and I am always usualy the one healing my team members back to life. Its always good to draw one player towards the group to gang up on him. Thats how most of arenas wins happen. After fighting starts I like to single out the weakest player and kill him first because I cannot stand getting poked for -6,-5 damage wile I am fighting a high level player. I know this might seem unfair but I cannot stand that.

Yeah, Earth magic and Protection prayers you should tank better thanm a warrior.

Yes you do but you can only take damage no giving it back. It is quite fun to sit there taking 50 hits, never being healed, by that attarach (the underworld minotars as someone called em). People can't beleive that you are lasting.

Oh, it's very simple.
You see, necros, mesmers and all that stuff is weird, where warrior is easy. It's all about grabing that shiny pointy thing and pointing the pointy edge of it towards bad, ugly and stinky monsters. What could go wrong?

you cant say noobs choose warriors its just new people , i have even seen some past ascension who have no idea what the aggro circle is. I know when i first started i never noticed it but thats probly the reason in most cases

Although you might want to build a balanced team (as I do too), unfortunately the vast majority of players at the higher level only want tanks and healers. I built a ranger, took him all the way through to thunderhead keep, and do you think I can get him past that? No. I have literally tried for hours to get into a group and nobody will take him because "rangers are useless" . All you see is 'looking for tanks or healers'. They will also consider an elementalist but a necro, ranger, or mesmer are considered dead weight by most. What kind of balance is a group with 3 tanks, 3 healers and two "others"? I myself always try and build a good balance in a team. I am just now learning how good it is to have a mesmer on my side. Between a good mesmer and ranger, you can just about shut down all of the spell ability of the other side. Fortunately, my guild is building a well rounded team that will be able to take anyone else in the guild to the end so the less than popular char's. don't need to try and 'beg' their way into a group.

Excatly. But Mesmers and Necros aren't hard. They justy require you to think. The problem comes during the higher level missions when you need all that "wierd stuff" in your group and you can't find any Mesmers or Necros becuase 90% of the players chose warrior. You can't build a decent group above lvl 18 and it's annoying.

True. But the question is: how did they get that far in the game not understanding the basics? It's like someone going to college not knowing how to add and subtract.

This is where the tutorial area fails. People leave Pre-Searing not even know the basics. It's pathetic.

I did that whole mission with no monks or tanks. All warriors, and necros, and me acting as a healer. I started the group just cause some dumb W/Mo said "Have 1 slot left, no rangers allowed" (his group was 5 W/Mo and 1 Mo/W) So I posted "I'm starting a group of the disenfranchised (rangers, necros, and other weird builds) - Whisper class" I got a great team in like 7 miniutes and we beat the mission very easily with one player dropping 2 miniutes in.

My pont, excatly. These wierd builds work because these people have thought about thier character and it's role in the group. They make the best teammates.

It's not that hard. When the ranger runs up to pull, you get in right behind him. Not too close, mind. Your casters are way the hell back, as far as safely possible. The ranger runs past you, you hit the guys chasing him, they change targets to you. Your casters AoE, the monks start healing you, and assuming there are no ettins, throws aegis and other protective spells on you, and it's all gravy.