I am hoping that ANet will ignore the constant calls for a UAS button. Many a guild has worked hard to unlock skills for their membership. It would be a slap in the face to just "give away" these skills. Any competent individual could unlock 90% of his skill base with a month's playing (not grinding). Leave it be. There are far more pressing issues.
1. bring back farming
2. keep adjusting the drop rate until the majority are happy.
3. fix the story. get rid of the George Lucas mentallity.
4. create a weapon upgrade vendor.
5. equalize the pvp/tombs/guild hall system so that teams w/closer
records fight each other.
Say NO to UAS
JasonJLore
Draven Mauler
Great Suggestions.
I whole-heartedly aggree with these suggestions. Nothing should be given away freely. The one thing I do not aggree with is the statement about grinding.
That must mean that you are doing all the quests outside of those needed to get ascended and lvl20 armor in two weeks...
First of all, I may unlock runes, skills, and weapon upgrades by doing this, but its BORING! A lot of quests require you to group with Human Henchmen Morons. What's more is the fact that if your not lucky enough to get the right drops, the quests reward you with worthless items. Not to say that the experience isnt very good in some of the aforementioned quests, but common! How many quests reward you with some off-hand item or primary weapon that sux so bad you wouldn't be caught dead trying to hawk it in public???
I whole-heartedly aggree with these suggestions. Nothing should be given away freely. The one thing I do not aggree with is the statement about grinding.
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First of all, I may unlock runes, skills, and weapon upgrades by doing this, but its BORING! A lot of quests require you to group with Human Henchmen Morons. What's more is the fact that if your not lucky enough to get the right drops, the quests reward you with worthless items. Not to say that the experience isnt very good in some of the aforementioned quests, but common! How many quests reward you with some off-hand item or primary weapon that sux so bad you wouldn't be caught dead trying to hawk it in public???
Epinephrine
So what, you had fun didn't you? You got the skills before everyone else, you enjoyed it. UAS with all items unlocked as well is the only fair way to have a competitive game - anything else is delusional.
I don't mid it being conditional on beating the game, but once you've beaten the game, unlock everything for PvP. Then again, that will affect ANet's replay value - you need grind to keep people playing... so you open PvE only arenas as well. Those who want to play with their "earned" stuff play there, PvP is played in the other arena. No conflicts, those who want to only play vs other PvE players play PvE arena, those interested in true competitive PvP with no advantages playing the PvP only area, after finishing the game.
I don't mid it being conditional on beating the game, but once you've beaten the game, unlock everything for PvP. Then again, that will affect ANet's replay value - you need grind to keep people playing... so you open PvE only arenas as well. Those who want to play with their "earned" stuff play there, PvP is played in the other arena. No conflicts, those who want to only play vs other PvE players play PvE arena, those interested in true competitive PvP with no advantages playing the PvP only area, after finishing the game.
Dreamsmith
I propose a moratorium on UAS discussions until we see the new PvP unlocking system in the new update. Not much point in debating the current system if it's about to be superseded, and we can't debate the new system without either (a) violating an NDA or (b) talking out our behinds.
Besides, this thread sounds more like troll bait than anything. Don't we have enough UAS threads? How about we only use the "New Thread" button to create new topics, and use existing threads to continue existing debates?
Besides, this thread sounds more like troll bait than anything. Don't we have enough UAS threads? How about we only use the "New Thread" button to create new topics, and use existing threads to continue existing debates?
EternalTempest
UAS? - If you mean against the new point system for the PvP to unlock stuff I have to disagree with you.
I do agree that within a month you can get most of your elites without grinding but having to go through the game multiple times to get the diffrent jobs.
I personally only do PvE myself (not in to PvP). I think this will also help a lot of the Pvp players who are very anti-social on PvE and on a rush to blaze through also improving the PvE environment a bit too.
I do agree that within a month you can get most of your elites without grinding but having to go through the game multiple times to get the diffrent jobs.
I personally only do PvE myself (not in to PvP). I think this will also help a lot of the Pvp players who are very anti-social on PvE and on a rush to blaze through also improving the PvE environment a bit too.
dbgtboy
what is UAS?
Draven Mauler
UAS...? yeah. Trolling Flame-Bater! lol
I cant believe I got sucked in again.
I cant believe I got sucked in again.
Red Locust
lol @ "bring back farming". Not only does it screw the economy and cause inflation, but it's mind numbingly boring to do the same thing over and over for hours. No thanks.
DarrenJasper
I could just start a thread titled "Say NO to Grind" and the universal energies would be balanced.
Makkert
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UAS: unlock all skills button
UAR: unlock all runes button
C2K
Sounds like Anet's next update says no to UAS, but gives PvPer's a chance to earn their runes and skills. So far, it sounds good.
Spike
Even better idea just remove PVP from guild wars and 99% of the moaners would vanish 
Nad
Or remove the PvE and 100% of you talentless cows will vanish.
Dumachum
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lol @ "bring back farming". Not only does it screw the economy and cause inflation, but it's mind numbingly boring to do the same thing over and over for hours. No thanks.
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Nothing frigging drops anymore, EVER, unless you are in Underworld and that's rare to get in because Korea is hold favor from 8am to 8pm EST.
The only thing fetching ass amounts of platinum now are Storm/Eternal bows that have skyrocketed up over 80-150k.
Guild Wars does not have an ecconomy.
JasonJLore
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Teklord
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Even better idea just remove PVP from guild wars and 99% of the moaners would vanish
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Or remove the PvE and 100% of you talentless cows will vanish.
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Guild Wars was not designed to be just PvP *OR* PvE. It was designed as both, and designed very well. The only people who disagree are the people that enjoy playing on ONE type of game (whether PvP or PvE).
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LoneDust
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Many a guild has worked hard to unlock skills for their membership. It would be a slap in the face to just "give away" these skills.
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Icarium
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I propose a moratorium on UAS discussions until we see the new PvP unlocking system in the new update. Not much point in debating the current system if it's about to be superseded, and we can't debate the new system without either (a) violating an NDA or (b) talking out our behinds.
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I agree, with the new anoucment of this being dealt with one way or another . . .how did this become a topic ??
Zexion
Well. I must agree, the rune traders and farm nerfing messed up the economy!
Big time!
_Zexion
Big time!
_Zexion
stumpy
UAS and UAR are useless terms guys (you dont actually need a magical little button ... thats called the create PVP player) ... also like to note pvpers and pve players can fight in same battle, no need to seperate them ... the focus of alot of us pvp'ers that do go through the game is to customize our character not to look like your flavor. Some of us like to take pride in our character. :-P
better stated that if you create a pvp player ... you should have access to all skills automatically. You dont need to but the player should be limited to the pvp aspects ... ie ... go ahead have runes and skills ... thats pvp ... custom armor and weapons and items should be left to pve. So those who do want to have the pretty 15K waste of money can. Or the godly gold artifact or collector items. If you have UAS ... they should just lvl 20 plain droknars armor sets with level 20 equivalent weapons / offhand item.
If I start hearing pvp whiners ask for a UAA (unlock all armor), UAW (unlock all weapons), UAI (unlock all items), magical button because if you dont want to go through the game then you should be limited to the pvp aspects, leave the custom armor for people who build there characters from birth.
Thats a balance!
better stated that if you create a pvp player ... you should have access to all skills automatically. You dont need to but the player should be limited to the pvp aspects ... ie ... go ahead have runes and skills ... thats pvp ... custom armor and weapons and items should be left to pve. So those who do want to have the pretty 15K waste of money can. Or the godly gold artifact or collector items. If you have UAS ... they should just lvl 20 plain droknars armor sets with level 20 equivalent weapons / offhand item.
If I start hearing pvp whiners ask for a UAA (unlock all armor), UAW (unlock all weapons), UAI (unlock all items), magical button because if you dont want to go through the game then you should be limited to the pvp aspects, leave the custom armor for people who build there characters from birth.
Thats a balance!
Mayar third Keeper
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Nad
Yea I just wanted to say that I probably unlocked more skills/upgrades/runes that most of you, and I still want UA(x) because I don't want to spend anymore time getting the rest. But that was before they released info on this new PvP unlock system, this system should shut both sides up.
Firestreak
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And the ecconomy isn't completely screwed up as it is? I've gotten maybe 2 golds the last 2 weeks and 1 of them didn't even have stats on it when Id'd. 9 out of 10 runes at the trader can be bought for 120gp with only 3 or 4 costing a few plat and sup vigor and absorb the only ones costing over 50p. I just destroyed a shitload of runes this morning because I had no use for them. Minors, majors and even a superior one cause they were all worth squat.
Nothing frigging drops anymore, EVER, unless you are in Underworld and that's rare to get in because Korea is hold favor from 8am to 8pm EST. The only thing fetching ass amounts of platinum now are Storm/Eternal bows that have skyrocketed up over 80-150k. Guild Wars does not have an ecconomy. |
Yeah the Rune Trader destroyed everything. It wouldn't be so bad if the sellback price wasnt 25 gold. I'd personally be happy with the standard 'Half What It Sells For,' because few people actually want to buy minor and major runes now anyway. The game has no economy anymore because in order for something to have an economy there needs to be a steady flow of money. Unfortunately, all of everyones money now go to the respective vendors within each town. It would be cool if they had the shops like they do in RYL, where you create a shop that can hold x items, and people just come up to you and click browse and can buy stuff without your consent so long as they pay the price listed for the item.
Nad
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Yeah the Rune Trader destroyed everything. It wouldn't be so bad if the sellback price wasnt 25 gold. I'd personally be happy with the standard 'Half What It Sells For,' because few people actually want to buy minor and major runes now anyway. The game has no economy anymore because in order for something to have an economy there needs to be a steady flow of money. Unfortunately, all of everyones money now go to the respective vendors within each town. It would be cool if they had the shops like they do in RYL, where you create a shop that can hold x items, and people just come up to you and click browse and can buy stuff without your consent so long as they pay the price listed for the item.
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Ancalagon06
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lol @ "bring back farming". Not only does it screw the economy and cause inflation, but it's mind numbingly boring to do the same thing over and over for hours. No thanks.
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If they gave us back farming, the price of absorption would go back down to $2,000 or less.
Born
The "pvp only" was added in the end of the beta so people could get an idea what Guilds Wars pvp was really about in the shortest possible time (about two days worth of playing every month).
Theres plenty of time to build the "perfect kill everyone pvp class" but the game is balanced pretty good at the moment, you may never find the perfect build even if you was able to use every skill/rune in the game.
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My personal thoughts on this :
"Pvp only" shouldnt be a shortcut to having everything the game has to offer without any real effort.
Theres plenty of time to build the "perfect kill everyone pvp class" but the game is balanced pretty good at the moment, you may never find the perfect build even if you was able to use every skill/rune in the game.
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My personal thoughts on this :
"Pvp only" shouldnt be a shortcut to having everything the game has to offer without any real effort.
Nad
W/O any real effort? Go win HoH or join a top 20 guild then say that jackass.
Sovetskeey
Nad the troll! You'll never get my money! I don't need to use your damn bridge anyways!
RTSFirebat
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JasonJLore
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Loviatar
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If they gave us back farming, the price of absorption would go back down to $2,000 or less.
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so farmers that were flooding the market didnt seem to lower the price any
funny how with the farming nerfed and having a rune trader the price has dropped in spite of the farming nerf
PieXags
Yes but back before they nerfed farming we didn't have the rune trader.
=HT=Ingram
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Even better idea just remove PVP from guild wars and 99% of the moaners would vanish
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PieXags
...ok, I need to say this.
That 80% is WAY off. ...way off. The majority of the people playing this game enjoy a little of both I'd have to say...at least that's how it is in my guild, and...with nearly everyone else I've spoken to in-game. Why would 80% of the people buy the game if they only wanted to play half of it?
That 80% is WAY off. ...way off. The majority of the people playing this game enjoy a little of both I'd have to say...at least that's how it is in my guild, and...with nearly everyone else I've spoken to in-game. Why would 80% of the people buy the game if they only wanted to play half of it?
=HT=Ingram
ok that could be... but I can say this... when I go to the ring of fire missions I rarely see many people there, but I see Tons of people in Tomb... why? PvP of course. and I never have a problem getting a guild match which means there is a large majority just sitting waiting for a opponent to come along to play... I would love to see a true breakdown of pvp matches. wait for the summer tournament to begin. that will show the popularity of PvP... or it should . If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected... But I can't believe that people will want to play the PvE portion against mindless NPCs when there are people to kill in the game that actually fight back with some skill...
Once you kill your first player character its almost a shame to go back to NPCs... the satisfaction is not the same...
so that being said, I'm willing to believe that its more like 50 or 60% is PvE Only and anywhere from 30 ro 40% is PvP primarily... with a small mix that is both... still... it would be a significant number of players to loose if PvP was taken from the game entirely..
Once you kill your first player character its almost a shame to go back to NPCs... the satisfaction is not the same...
so that being said, I'm willing to believe that its more like 50 or 60% is PvE Only and anywhere from 30 ro 40% is PvP primarily... with a small mix that is both... still... it would be a significant number of players to loose if PvP was taken from the game entirely..
Loviatar
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...Why would 80% of the people buy the game if they only wanted to play half of it?
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i bought it for half the game.......the RPG nine tenths of the game and i am happy to give the pvp players their small corner as well
Snipe Kan
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lol @ "bring back farming". Not only does it screw the economy and cause inflation, but it's mind numbingly boring to do the same thing over and over for hours. No thanks.
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actually Red Locust i hope uve farmed before so you can say its boring.. really Farming is quite fun with the excitement of finding a gold armor.. after a few hours of searching is quite a good feeling for 1.