GW community going down?

Is it just me, or has the maturity of the community online suddenly dropped recently? If I just pick up a crystal or scepter (quest item) and I'm not a warrior, I'm flooded with messages like:

"GIVE ME THE ------G CRYSTAL NOW YOU NOOB "
"DROP THE -----G SCEPTER YOU ---"
"THATS IT, IM NOT HEALING YOUR ---"

Excuse me if I haven't been playing this game since the beta. In fact, god forbid anyone to actually try this game if you haven't been playing since the BETA. If you actually didn't play this game until the retail version came out, well you are evidentally a NOOB, since everyone's got XXX,XXX experience on their character.

I usually try to avoid stereotyping, but I don't think I'm wrong when I guess that most of these immature people are made up of teenagers who don't have anything to do when school's out. Now, I don't think that the majority of teenagers are immature, but I do think that the ones who are immature are teenagers.

Here's a thought: try talking to them in a POLITE manner, instead of cursing and threatening people when they do something wrong. Really, do you expect people to be scared of you because you're not going to cast MENDING on them?

BTW, no, I don't want to join a guild.

It happens in every online game every year from mid-May to early-June there is an influx of immaturity in all online games.

I have had Guilds of my own to manage on several servers... I have canned more Guilds because of this type of behavior than for any other reason. I happen to know for a fact that GW has a target market of the young man from about 13 to 20 in age. If you look at the Pre-Release artwork on the packaging and female main character in the preview vid you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

Aside from the summertime blues, there is a year-round problem with immaturity. These people who talk and act this way are the same who belittled you on the playground since Kindergarten.

The best way to deal with them is to remember this: Only somebody who has no self-esteem has need of belittling others. Retaliation is the likely result of their actions. Those who lash out in anger are no better because they obviously don't understand what I just said. Aside from the younguns, there are many over-weight middle aged men who behave no better.

i just ignore them all together when they act like this and go about my marry way like i dont even see or hear it..

Im a long time socom player for Ps2 and hear these little kids that sound like there 8 to 12 cussing like there adults and its a shame that we have allowed our youth to come to this.

The more you acknowledge them the more you fuel there undeveloped minds to be smart ásses

I prefer to just say "Ooppss! I just salvaged that. You want the iron ingot?"

Nice

that immature attitude is the same reason i stopped playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live. I love the game. and for a while i would only play with my clanmates, then it reached a point where we heard the N-bomb being dropped so much that i just decided to ditch the game altogether.

luckily, i managed to build a guild (hehe) that is very fun to play with and lacks the immature idiots that grace nearly every online game.

shame, but it happens.

Meh...get used to hearing shit you dont like and get over it. And to the original poster, i'm sure most of the people blew up on you like that because they're so used to newbs grabbing quest items and running off with em. It's happened to me so many times...just drop the item and get on with the mission with out getting the urge to post about it.

I think the easiest way to get rid of these types of people is to leave them to it, ignore them when they shout at you and then go find another Party that has good manners and are fun to play with.

There is a high IQ rating out there and there isn't much we can do about that.

So don't give up as there are lots of nice people out there. Just remember, you don't have to live with them, be in there guild or be friends with them. They have to live with themselves for the rest of there lives.

Oh, and if you wonder what IQ stands for, it's Idiot Quota.

Yes, but shouting at people with obscenities is not the way to go about teaching people how to play the game.

Have you ever seen the Chefs on TV or in Restaurants. What is the one common thing they all do. They Fu**ing Swear at there staff. Where did they learn this technique? From the Chefs in the Restaurants where they learned there skills.

So, if you keep swearing at people, then others think that is what is necessary to play this game, and they follow suit. Be nice to people and it will be noticed just as much and make it a nicer gaming experience for everyone.

Well realize that in the instances mentioned by the original poster, those quest items when held can tie the holder to mobs drawn to that object...thereby possibly putting a weaker (in terms of armour) player in serious harms way.
Those people who berrated him for picking the item up may have been there before and know the drill..........which means.........THEY BEHAVED LIKE A NOOB BY NOT MAKING SURE ALL PARTY MEMBERS WERE UP TO SPEED BEFORE STARTING OUT!!!

It's hilarious to see the noob-sayers act like this when they did nothing to prevent it. This is no different than getting into a pug to do FoW or UW and not making sure everyone knows to NOT talk to the ghosts and to not pull before all are ready/regen'd etc. I hope the end result of you picking up the item was the total annihilation of the party (not for your death but theirs).....reverse griefing....NICE!!

Totally agree with that.

I always make sure people know what they are doing before going into hard missions. There are a few new players along the way, and explaining to them is beneficial to all, and they normally thank you for the advice and the fact that they got through the mission with you after one attempt, whereby they had tried 10 times before with people who didn't explain anything.

Just to point out here, you seem to tie those type of actions and immaturity with the *Beta* players.

Funny thing is, in the betas we didn't have to deal much with this, not in game or on the forums.

Unik

I have to agree... I have been going back quite regularly to presearing to help fellow clan mates that just bought the game and are now in our guild. Why you ask? because there seems to be so manyy asses in the game anymore... that think they are gods gift to Guildwars... When they are simply nothing more then blowbags with a lev 20 character. Besides the point. I hope they will make it so some of these idiots that treat new people so poorly will no drive them away from the game.

I love it when groups do this to me, and its so obvious that my level 20 is carrying there low level asses through the level. I just map out and leave them to it

I soon get Whispers of. "You ****ing *** you made us lose the mission!" blah blah blah

to which I reply "Watch your manners next time son"

When morons start acting like this I just play dumb. All I do is type '?'

They either assume I cant speak english, which is fun cause they really lay the insults down then, or they just stop.

Unfortunately there is no good way to get a mature pick up group, you just have to put up with them and get through it. The rewarding part is when you get to click 'Leave' after its over, and add them to your uncountable ignore list.

It's now summer, and there's a lot of young students joining the game due to not having school - not that you could tell they attend by most of their spelling - this is why its dropped. Now, I'm not saying all students act this way, but the overwhelming majority of those types of players just happen to be younger.

Hmm... I my start doing this. "? No hablo engleis." If that draws any fire, racism or otherwise, you have a nice little screenshot to give to the GMs

Immature players is why I prefer to party by myself or just with my husband and brother. Frankly, the way I see it, it's a game....I play it in my spare time to relax and I don't need children or anyone else screaming obscenities at me and calling me a noob.

Here's a thought, those who call everyone else noobs must be noobs themselves and I avoid them at all costs. Takes one to know one, right?

But yeah it is expected during the summer to have more teens playing.

I am so anti-social with this group of people, when I'm in town I turn off local chat and trade chat so I don't have to deal with whinners and idiots. Even if I'm trying to sell something I have the trade screen turned off. If whoever wants whatever I'm selling bad enough they will pm me. I tell them to in my post during trade.

I just don't have time to read through all the garbage and party with people who are going to slow me down by whinning about one thing or another.

That's a shame. If I wasn't in a great guild, there is no way on earth I would play this game. I never play with PUGs (I happily do SOC runs with henchies if everyone else is tied up), but with 30-40 very decent people in a guild, this game is so much fun and to all intents and purpose, those trash-talking brats really do not exist for me, as I have local/emote chat turned permanently off at the outposts (and in PvP).

I guess I play this game in a bubble but I wouldn't play it any other way.

I'll have to admit that I have lost my patience a few times.. I dont swair though, but sometimes you have to use capital letters and spam, because some people dont appear to be taking notice of the team chat. though the chat does seem to blend into the background too well. I often miss instructions

But yea, immaturity comes from all ages.. it cant be helped.. well, you can help it by avoiding it by being in a guild... but thats not always possible.

Just gotta accept it.

Just wanted to interject something here. Just because one isn't a warrior, it doesn't mean that it's noobtastic to be holding the scepter.

I play an elementalist primary and insist that I hold the scepter in those particular missions that involve it. Why? Because of the +53 armour I get from Armour of Earth, and the burst, fast recharge AoEs I pack with me.

Couple that with things like Symbiosis, Healing Seed, Balt's Spirit, what have you. And I'm running around with more than 1200 health and 110 armour (using the 1 plat armour crafted by the guy outside of Sanctum Cay). Monster love is exactly what my frail elementalist wants and needs.

So yes, pay no attention to noob-screamers. They truly are the ones without the faintest clue.

Guild Wars is a fun game.

The problem here is that it's too one-dimensional. There's plenty of strategy involved, and it can definitely be fulfilling for mature players, but at the end of the day all you do in GW is fight. There's no real crafting system, there's no player merchant system, and there's no direct-character benefits for going to/participating in social areas.

Maybe the fact that there's no monthly fee contributes a little bit, but all in all, the lack of a social structure in game is what's leading the hordes of idiots to act the way they do.

It's hack and slash.....log in, find a pug, do a mission, while killing everything in sight.

It's not like....go to the town monk for healing, stop by the local tavern for buff's, head off to the player merchant areas to buy rare crafting materials/items.

Not sure, if I'm effectively communicating my point here, but it's about the fact that the game is so one-dimensional that brat-kiddies don't have to worry about consequences for their social shortcomings.

Yeah. It's a real problem. I got the game _two weeks_ after release, so I'm a complete stinking lvl 20 noob. I avoid grouping because of this - I've not finished the game yet, so I've not completed the missions ten times already, and so I get abuse for not knowing where to go or what to do. If the ****ers would just tell me what I'm supposed to do I'd do it, but they're too leet to type and I'll be damned if I'll go on ventrilo with them.

I've done OK with mostly henchmen up to the ascension quests, but the ascension quests are pretty much impossible with henchmen unless you're at least partly a monk.
I've now abandoned my lvl 20 and started up a new character (which is a monk secondary - I've learned my lesson) and have got two friends to buy the game and team with me, and we're making good, non-abusive, progress. Although fairly slow progress, as we all have lives, and I have to take care not to spoil the game for them, as I've already done all quests & missions up to ascension.

IMO: Bring your real-life friends, or be a monk and take henchies.

Numa,

If ever you wanna quest together with my four buddies, send me a whisper (Ziggy Greenbud).....sounds like we have a lot in common. We play every night from about 10 p.m. until 1:00 a.m. Easatern Standard Time. (GMT - 5). And I'd be happy to reserve part of my Teamspeak server if you wanna use it.

Regards and good luck,

Ziggy.

I agree... its a very annonymous game really.

characters and capes dont really stand out much from each other either, so a Guild member isnt worried about bringing his clan into dis-repute let alone himself.

I still say though that you should look at the reason why people get frustrated as opposed to disciplining them for their lack of self control.

If the leader of any given group was given more ability to lead... ie, only he can draw on the map.. or only he can pick up quest items (but then hand them to a nominated holder)...

The game oozes strategic possability... but there is no effective way of co-ordinating that... if there was a built in voice chat system (across instances only) or a way to issue group members with specific instructions without having to read and type all the damn time.

when I lead a group in the underworld or fissure... I type in capitals and repeat several times and make sure everyone understands... I know I probably sound like a dick head and that I am patronising people.. but that is the only way to make sure everyone understands.... even then people take it upon themselves to ignore instruction causing the death of the entire party.. so yea, I feel like shouting and swairing, ... if only there wasa better way to lead a team

The Snowman

Maybe I'm still a noob myself, but at my current level (13), I see all loot drops to be assigned to (player name). So whats the problem? The way I see it, if it has my name on it, I get the drop fair and square. I don't care if it better suits another class type or not. I can turn said item into cash for me by selling, unless of course it's a quest item, but I thought anyone that had the quest in their log got credit(reward) for completing the quest. Am I wrong? Also, what I said about getting the drops in my name, I'm not usually cruel enough to keep the items I don't need, but when sissy's start their babbling about "give me the f--king thing", they can't expect much from me.

p.s. use henchmen instead of real players if your irritated with real people, thats what I'm doing, and those henchies...dont say much at all LOL!

Yes, there are a lot of immature players out there. I like to think who you are in real life comes out through your character. We have cheats, thieves and crooks. Just like we have honest, hard-playing, generous individuals.

I am finding that more and more though I like partying with immature players. They add a suicidal element to the game that I find interesting. Only at my leisure though. If I am trying to get a guild member through a mission, they drive me insane. It makes the game more challenging when you don't work as a team, and you have a team of 4,6,8 leaders. I do not know how it is possible that a mission like RiverSide is harder near impossible when you have partied with the some of the most LeeT players in the game (according to them).

A question I always like to ask is, "Alright, all of you have done this before right?". For some reason this gets a better response than "Tell me if you havent done this mission." Don't ask me why but the first question will get a response from everyone more than the second one. Then I will do my best to explain the objective of the mission.

For awhile though I was near sighted and thought that everyone was my same progression through the game. I thought since I have done this mission everyone has, and that n00b should know better than pick up the scepter. I have since then realized that I am wrong, and I take time to explain things.

If someone insists on holding the scepter or other item, I like to make sure and tell them, that when ever we approach any monsters they are all going to attack them, and nobody else, until they die and drop the scepter. If you are an elem running with armor of earth or any other class that wants to be using a buff, let everyone know what is going on. Let them know that you are not just another crazy player that is going to take the item and run off and bury yourself in a dog pile of undead.

The reference he is making to the scepter is a quest item in later missions. Not something that you pick up and put in your inventory, but instead replaces your weapons and you carry it. It is not loot assigned to anybody. It is often a more sound strategy for a warrior to carry the item because monsters attack only the person carrying the item.

Suddenly dropped? The maturity level has been around the level of a 13 year old solo child with behavioural problems with millionaire parents in a toystore since release.

BTW look into "the birds of a feather LFG thread" in this forum for good quality players and write their IGN's down! This way you can find good players who are respectful and team players.

This makes me think, also has anyone else noticed an increase in the amount of people that find it hillarious to draw genatalia on the map for absolutely no reason? It also does my head in when your trying to explain to a party how to do something and someone takes a disliking to it, so rather than actually say anything they write '**** you' and such on the map to keep their anonymity. If they have a problem they should voice it and not hide behind the fact that you cant tell whos drawing, of course you can usual tell from their general behaviour anyway :P