My suggestion: Dont give the reward for the bonus quest until the real mission has been completed!
Please change mission bonus levels!
Pandora's box
Now more and more players have done most missions it becomes harder and harder to find a decent party to do those missions. Many players only want to do the bonus quest in the missions. This leads to situations where its very hard to find a party for the real mission and even than, when the mission starts there are players who go straightly to the bonus quest and leave when it appears that others want to beat the real mission only. Or leave after completing the bonus level.
My suggestion: Dont give the reward for the bonus quest until the real mission has been completed!
My suggestion: Dont give the reward for the bonus quest until the real mission has been completed!
EinValentine
This is an excellent idea.
DavenXion
I like it, I'm seeing the same thing of people spamming for Bonus only, which is so-so because they're upfront about it even if they are annoying.
The worst is what you say, lvl 20's willing to "help out" on a mission since they need the bonus. Then leave you stranded with maybe 3-4 people to try and finish.
The worst is what you say, lvl 20's willing to "help out" on a mission since they need the bonus. Then leave you stranded with maybe 3-4 people to try and finish.
drowningfish999
My only problem with this is what if you want to do a quick run through a mission with henchmen, or with an entire group that decides they want to do bonus only. Why make them have to go through the whole thing as well?
salja Wachi
STOP TRYING TO NER EVERYTHINNG!!!!!!
wtf is wrong with you guys?
get a good group we all went through the same things.
it amazes me how when something gets a little difficult all i hear is whawhahwahwah please change it or "this sucks, i cannot do it make it easier"
get a good group and do it. if you ahve to try it again and agin take henchies or get in a guild.
stop trying to nerf the entire game cause it is difficult in some spots. sheesh i am tired of raeding whining crap
wtf is wrong with you guys?
get a good group we all went through the same things.
it amazes me how when something gets a little difficult all i hear is whawhahwahwah please change it or "this sucks, i cannot do it make it easier"
get a good group and do it. if you ahve to try it again and agin take henchies or get in a guild.
stop trying to nerf the entire game cause it is difficult in some spots. sheesh i am tired of raeding whining crap
Yamat
Salja, chill dude.
Pandora's suggestions is actually a good one, and wouldn't affect anyone. The people screaming for a group to do the bonus only would not be put out in any way by this change... just means in the first instance they scream "LFG for mission and bonus" instead of coming back.
Where's the harm in that?
Pandora's suggestions is actually a good one, and wouldn't affect anyone. The people screaming for a group to do the bonus only would not be put out in any way by this change... just means in the first instance they scream "LFG for mission and bonus" instead of coming back.
Where's the harm in that?
Shin Lail
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
STOP TRYING TO NER EVERYTHINNG!!!!!!
wtf is wrong with you guys? get a good group we all went through the same things. it amazes me how when something gets a little difficult all i hear is whawhahwahwah please change it or "this sucks, i cannot do it make it easier" get a good group and do it. if you ahve to try it again and agin take henchies or get in a guild. stop trying to nerf the entire game cause it is difficult in some spots. sheesh i am tired of raeding whining crap |
Dazzler
I don't know how you can say it "wouldn't affect anyone." "Where's the harm in that?" Well, the harm is as salja stated, that the ppl that have done the mission already just want the bonus without griding through the whole mission again.
The problem is for a number of missions, the bonus + mission in the same run is generally not possible or EXTREMELY difficult. Requiring the mission to be completed before the bonus is rewarded becomes impractical at this point.
It is easy enough to find people that want to do the mission. Just advertise you are doing the mission and make it clear before starting the mission--that way if ppl want to do the bonus only they will leave. Sure, every now and then you will get a jerk that lies and says they will do the mission. Just deal with it. There will always be jerks no matter what.
The problem is for a number of missions, the bonus + mission in the same run is generally not possible or EXTREMELY difficult. Requiring the mission to be completed before the bonus is rewarded becomes impractical at this point.
It is easy enough to find people that want to do the mission. Just advertise you are doing the mission and make it clear before starting the mission--that way if ppl want to do the bonus only they will leave. Sure, every now and then you will get a jerk that lies and says they will do the mission. Just deal with it. There will always be jerks no matter what.
Yamat
^^ are you some kind of idiot? If you join a group that does both mission and bonus, you only go through once, not twice. Grind? What grind?
Name one mission where you can't do the main misison and bonus in one run?
Name one mission where you can't do the main misison and bonus in one run?
chalt2
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Now more and more players have done most missions it becomes harder and harder to find a decent party to do those missions. Many players only want to do the bonus quest in the missions. This leads to situations where its very hard to find a party for the real mission and even than, when the mission starts there are players who go straightly to the bonus quest and leave when it appears that others want to beat the real mission only. Or leave after completing the bonus level.
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Draconias
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Name one mission where you can't do the main misison and bonus in one run?
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To do the Bonus on the Iron Mines, you must defeat 20+ Mursaat. However, to get Infused, you must first miss the bonus-- and you can't go back. The only way you can possibly beat the Bonus is to do a majority of the Mission first (infusion runs), then fight your way through hordes of Mursaat to the Bonus. The minimum number of runs you must do for this level is 2, even though you can do the Mission after the Bonus.
To do the Bonus on the Ice Caves, you must defeat 3 Jades and 3 Mursaat Elementalists, minimum. You can't get infused until the next Mission. It is physically impossible to beat the Bonus on the Ice Caves with 6 uninfused people with Mursaat smacking your people for 100 dmg a second, 24 hp degen, and 160 dmg from Chain Lightnings, all while Jades tank you and do Spectral Agony as well. The only way to beat this is to complete the mission, do the next mission, then come back and do this mission again-- so the minimum number of runs required is 2, even though you can do the mission as well on the 2nd run.
Night
I agree the bonus should not be awarded until after the mission run is completed with.
It encourages folks to do them both instead of speeding through a mission just to get ahead then come back later which I will admit I do (although I won't or haven't left a group high and dry if I was only seeking the bonus). it will also keep folks from grabbing the bonus and jetting on their way, leaving the group in a hole.
I also realize I am going catch a whole lot of grief with this but I think the same thing should apply to capture signets on a mission but with a slight change, if the group dies, the person capping the skill, will get to keep the skill. but if they leave before the mission is completed or the whole group dies, they lose the skill capped. I can't count how many times lately, I have been in a group where someone merely joined to get the skill (didn't say that was their only reason either) and ditching the group as soon as they capped it.
It encourages folks to do them both instead of speeding through a mission just to get ahead then come back later which I will admit I do (although I won't or haven't left a group high and dry if I was only seeking the bonus). it will also keep folks from grabbing the bonus and jetting on their way, leaving the group in a hole.
I also realize I am going catch a whole lot of grief with this but I think the same thing should apply to capture signets on a mission but with a slight change, if the group dies, the person capping the skill, will get to keep the skill. but if they leave before the mission is completed or the whole group dies, they lose the skill capped. I can't count how many times lately, I have been in a group where someone merely joined to get the skill (didn't say that was their only reason either) and ditching the group as soon as they capped it.
Syno
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Iron Mines of Moladune, Ice Caves of Sorrow
The only way to beat this is to complete the mission, do the next mission, then come back and do this mission again-- so the minimum number of runs required is 2, even though you can do the mission as well on the 2nd run. |
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Dazzler
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But it can all be completed in one run on the second try. So this idea would still work. It's not a bad idea. So many people DO find a good group, only to have that good group disband after the bonus is completed. It's not whining, it's a valid gripe.
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What you do not seem to be able to understand is that for many people, doing the whole mission again is not fun. They want to just go back and do the bonus. This does not need to be changed. Just advertise what you are wanting to do before starting the mission.
If you do make this change, then you must make it in BOTH directions: ie you do not get credit for completing the mission until you also complete the bonus. Otherwise you will get a bunch of people that need to do the bonus and other people that just want to complete the mission. So if the change is made as you want, then once the mission starts, the n00bs will pass up the bonus because they are just intersted in the mission to further the story. The people that came for the bonus will be screwed.
So really to make it work the way you intend, both bonus and mission must be done. At which point, why call it a bonus? Just make it one more required task in the mission and be done with it. See where this is leading?
The system as it currently exists works just fine.
I don't seem to have any of these problems with ppl dropping that you are having. The PUG's I get into sort out the different motivations for joining the group and reach a consensus before we start the mission.
Creston
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Now more and more players have done most missions it becomes harder and harder to find a decent party to do those missions. Many players only want to do the bonus quest in the missions. This leads to situations where its very hard to find a party for the real mission and even than, when the mission starts there are players who go straightly to the bonus quest and leave when it appears that others want to beat the real mission only. Or leave after completing the bonus level.
My suggestion: Dont give the reward for the bonus quest until the real mission has been completed! |
They are designed to be done either together OR independently. Make sure to make clear beforehand that you're forming a party for the MISSION, and not for the bonus. If some dweeb then still goes off for the bonus, have him do it himself.
All this simply goes back to the game needing a far better quest / group creation method rather than everyone yapping LFG MISSION!!!!!1!1
Creston
Creston
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^^ are you some kind of idiot? If you join a group that does both mission and bonus, you only go through once, not twice. Grind? What grind?
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Sanctum Cay. Please make a video of you playing this mission, doing the bonus first (taking the ghost to his grave) and then how you tackle the 878 white mantle standing at the dock, with the vizier, where you need to go. If you last for 15 seconds against them, I'll even give you 5 plat. There are probably at least five threads here with screenshots of dead parties after being raped by all the white mantle.
It is nigh IMPOSSIBLE to do the bonus on this mission and still have a chance at completing the mission itself. So in this scenario, doing the bonus would become impossible.
In short, don't call anyone an idiot when you obviously don't have a frigging clue what you're talking about.
Creston
Eclair
What they should do is that if there's any member of the party who has NOT done the main mission, then you'd have to finish the main mission first before the mission bonus is rewarded.
So people who only go back to do the bonus will not be affected. However, if somebody wants to take advantage of a new group, they wouldn't be able to.
So people who only go back to do the bonus will not be affected. However, if somebody wants to take advantage of a new group, they wouldn't be able to.
Dazzler
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What they should do is that if there's any member of the party who has NOT done the main mission, then you'd have to finish the main mission first before the mission bonus is rewarded.
So people who only go back to do the bonus will not be affected. However, if somebody wants to take advantage of a new group, they wouldn't be able to. |
Shadow_Avenger
It is a very good suggestion and 1 I hope they implement.
The basis is that you have to finish the mission if you want the bonus, you cannot get bonus then ditch group which does happen.
It means that you have to complete both primary and secondary objectives and on completion of the primary, if you have done secondary you will be awarded bonus xp / reward.
Obviously if you are not bothered about the secondary / bonus you can still just do the main / primary.
It will not add any more grind than what players do anyway. You can get picky about this and post xxx, and yyy and this is *****, but how many times have you run missions? How many times did you do the old fussion runs, etc etc in the grand scheme of things it is not something major. It just means you will have to put in that extra 1/2 a mile.
If a mission and bonus are tooo hard to complete in one go, I am sure there will be lots of post about it by lots of different players and A.net will then amend / rebalance the mission in question as simple as that.
The basis is that you have to finish the mission if you want the bonus, you cannot get bonus then ditch group which does happen.
It means that you have to complete both primary and secondary objectives and on completion of the primary, if you have done secondary you will be awarded bonus xp / reward.
Obviously if you are not bothered about the secondary / bonus you can still just do the main / primary.
It will not add any more grind than what players do anyway. You can get picky about this and post xxx, and yyy and this is *****, but how many times have you run missions? How many times did you do the old fussion runs, etc etc in the grand scheme of things it is not something major. It just means you will have to put in that extra 1/2 a mile.
If a mission and bonus are tooo hard to complete in one go, I am sure there will be lots of post about it by lots of different players and A.net will then amend / rebalance the mission in question as simple as that.
Pandora's box
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I just want to make sure I'm getting what you're saying, in order to get the "bonus" you MUST do the mission FIRST then move onto the Bonus in the SAME session right, so you HAVE to do BOTH at the same time. Because if its any other way then it's just the same as it is now. I have completed all of the regular missions up to the desert and now I go back and pick up the bonuses. I either use henchies to do this or Guildmates, IF I join up with another group I'll help with what ever they need in exchange for helping me get what I need.
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What I'm suggesting is:
Do the mission AND the bonus quest at the same time, just like its done now by many players. Only you dont get the reward for the bonus quest at once, but you will be able to claim it after completing the whole mission.
I realize that some bonus quests are too hard to be done before having done the mission. But that's the meaning of these quests: The greedy ones who want it all at once will have a very hard mission. The way its been done now, doing the mission first, and later come back much stronger for the bonus, is in fact a way to cheat the bonus levels. Given that and the fact how hard it often is to get a party for the real mission, I think its a fair price to pay that when you go back later for the bonus you will have to do the whole mission again.
Nessa
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What they should do is that if there's any member of the party who has NOT done the main mission, then you'd have to finish the main mission first before the mission bonus is rewarded.
So people who only go back to do the bonus will not be affected. However, if somebody wants to take advantage of a new group, they wouldn't be able to. |
i really don't see the problem with the current system i think it's just bad experiences.. there have been many missions and quests in this game that were near impossible for me.. and i kept gttin screwed... but i have then finished said mission with a good group and regained hope... lol...
i know that sometimes i don't have time to do both.. so when i first do a mission to open my map cause i have nothing left to do....i make sure the group i'm in is ONLY doin mission.. then later when i want the xp and double sword(map freak need it all done and open
) i make sure the group i'm in is only doing the BONUS....really any change would hurt more than it would help...
life isn't fair sometimes you get screwed.. it happens....
Yamat
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Sanctum Cay.
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Creston
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What I'm suggesting is:
Do the mission AND the bonus quest at the same time, just like its done now by many players. Only you dont get the reward for the bonus quest at once, but you will be able to claim it after completing the whole mission. I realize that some bonus quests are too hard to be done before having done the mission. But that's the meaning of these quests: The greedy ones who want it all at once will have a very hard mission. The way its been done now, doing the mission first, and later come back much stronger for the bonus, is in fact a way to cheat the bonus levels. Given that and the fact how hard it often is to get a party for the real mission, I think its a fair price to pay that when you go back later for the bonus you will have to do the whole mission again. |
It has nothing to do with whether or not the bonus is "too hard" if you have done or have not done the mission.
In certain missions, most noticeably Sanctum Cay, going FOR the bonus means you simply CANNOT complete the mission. So in your scenario, it means NOBODY WOULD EVER get the Sanctum Cay bonus again, because they CANNOT complete the mission after doing the bonus.
So your idea would also require a revamp of certain missions, which means Anet has to test them again to make sure they still work and don't leave players bugged, etc.
All of this is time MUCH better spent on a better grouping system.
Creston
Creston
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Was a piece of cake... the white mantle there are pathetic. A few wards against melee and our PUG cleaned up.
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Btw, they have several disenchanters with them.
Creston
ZigZag Rollmeister
Looks to me like this thread was started by someone who, one night forgot to try :
a.) changing districts
b.) remembering that for every guy who is only doing the bonus, there's another lvl 20 helping his buddie's alt get through the missions
c.) developing a friends list
a.) changing districts
b.) remembering that for every guy who is only doing the bonus, there's another lvl 20 helping his buddie's alt get through the missions
c.) developing a friends list
Shadow_Avenger
I have to say, that the guy who started the thread is right, and depending on which server you are playing on, which mission you are on and the time of day, changing districts doesn't always work as there are no other districts to change to.
I have done
and this is irrelevent to the original post.
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I have a friends list, but what the original poster stated still rings true.
Now pull you head out of the sand and realise that the game plays different for different people and on different servers. What was posted was correct and I have been in groups on the bonus hunt which have often resulted in pain, I have done all missions finished game , done most bonus etc, but his point still stands.
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Now pull you head out of the sand and realise that the game plays different for different people and on different servers. What was posted was correct and I have been in groups on the bonus hunt which have often resulted in pain, I have done all missions finished game , done most bonus etc, but his point still stands.
ZigZag Rollmeister
This isn't about burying one's head in the sand.
Have I seen people looking to do bonus only? Of course.
Has it made it difficult to form groups for missions? Absolutely not. Maybe it has something to do with the time of day I normally play. But nevertheless, I've rarely had a hard time forming groups, and when I have, I've simply switched to a busier district and got my group. If you have a good, reliable friends list, then you can always ask your friends to join along if they're interested. And when you spam to fill up your group, be clear about the intentions of the group. It's simple.
And as eloquently stated on multiple occasions by Creston...This game needs a better grouping interface/system in order to account for all the mentally-challenged people who can't figure out how to get groups.
Have I seen people looking to do bonus only? Of course.
Has it made it difficult to form groups for missions? Absolutely not. Maybe it has something to do with the time of day I normally play. But nevertheless, I've rarely had a hard time forming groups, and when I have, I've simply switched to a busier district and got my group. If you have a good, reliable friends list, then you can always ask your friends to join along if they're interested. And when you spam to fill up your group, be clear about the intentions of the group. It's simple.
And as eloquently stated on multiple occasions by Creston...This game needs a better grouping interface/system in order to account for all the mentally-challenged people who can't figure out how to get groups.
silvertemplar
I think people should go have a look at the concept of a "bonus" mission. Heres a few suggestions:
1. Bonus should not hold the same rewards as the primary mission [in fact it should hold less rewards]. Not only will this make the bonus TRULY secondary, but people will not be doing the mission JUST for the bonus.[I rather have people complain about not finding a group for the bonus than not finding one for the main mission]
2. The primary mission should have its rewards split up instead. If the bonus is so vital, then embed it into the primary mission. Instead give me 200xp on various waypoints with total mission reward of 2000xp.
3. As Last resort make multiple missions available at the outposts. Primary Mission, and multiple secondary missions. Drop the bonus out of missions completely, make it available as seperate optional missions which are UNLOCKED based on what you did in the primary mission......
1. Bonus should not hold the same rewards as the primary mission [in fact it should hold less rewards]. Not only will this make the bonus TRULY secondary, but people will not be doing the mission JUST for the bonus.[I rather have people complain about not finding a group for the bonus than not finding one for the main mission]
2. The primary mission should have its rewards split up instead. If the bonus is so vital, then embed it into the primary mission. Instead give me 200xp on various waypoints with total mission reward of 2000xp.
3. As Last resort make multiple missions available at the outposts. Primary Mission, and multiple secondary missions. Drop the bonus out of missions completely, make it available as seperate optional missions which are UNLOCKED based on what you did in the primary mission......
Eclair
To add on to my original idea, (which was to make it so that if any member in the group has not done the main mission, the bonus reward is awarded when the main mission finishes. However, if everyone has already down the main mission, then the bonus awards as usual) add an icon next to everyone's name in the party that shows if the person has done the mission or not.
Basically, no sword for incomplete mission, 1 sword for completed mission, and 2 swords for completed mission and bonus.
This way, people who are looking for bonus only would be able to find groups just like they were before, and people looking to do the mission only or mission + bonus would be able to do so too. However, people trying to take advantage of one or the other would be unable to do so.
Basically, no sword for incomplete mission, 1 sword for completed mission, and 2 swords for completed mission and bonus.
This way, people who are looking for bonus only would be able to find groups just like they were before, and people looking to do the mission only or mission + bonus would be able to do so too. However, people trying to take advantage of one or the other would be unable to do so.
Eclair
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I think people should go have a look at the concept of a "bonus" mission. Heres a few suggestions:
1. Bonus should not hold the same rewards as the primary mission [in fact it should hold less rewards]. Not only will this make the bonus TRULY secondary, but people will not be doing the mission JUST for the bonus.[I rather have people complain about not finding a group for the bonus than not finding one for the main mission] |
Shin Lail
The problem I'm having is like the other night. We start a group we all need mission and bonus so we agree to do both. We find two other people that say they need both as well. We start the mission do the bonus and guess what the monk and the other guy drop immediately after bonus.
So ya the current system works if the people looking for bonus only actually say they need bonus only. But they are to lazy to wait for a bonus only group and join any group they can. Once we are in the mission the question comes up "bonus?"
So ya the current system works if the people looking for bonus only actually say they need bonus only. But they are to lazy to wait for a bonus only group and join any group they can. Once we are in the mission the question comes up "bonus?"
nechronius
I've run into bad groups like that. Spent 1.5 hours on the Riverside Province with a "mission and bonus" group (I'd already done the mission), only to be cheated at the last minute by someone who was only looking to do the mission. They had the staff, so they took off running.
On the second run-through the remaining people were nice enough to come back with me to Riverside just to help me do the bonus. One guy in our party needed the mission, but we made sure that we did the bonus first BEFORE even thinking about the mission.
If I ever meet those two no good numbnuts in person, I have a punch waiting for them.
On the second run-through the remaining people were nice enough to come back with me to Riverside just to help me do the bonus. One guy in our party needed the mission, but we made sure that we did the bonus first BEFORE even thinking about the mission.
If I ever meet those two no good numbnuts in person, I have a punch waiting for them.
Dazzler
The problem is your suggestion is not fixing the problem. It is just shifting it around so that it does not affect you currently (as you are tying to do the missions), but will bite you in the ass later when you have done the mission but want to do the bonus.
Now you will find people that only care about the mission, but will lie and say they want to do the bonus too only to shaft you once the mission starts.
Instead of making suggestions that don't solve the problem, try to think about the real problem and post solutions to that instead.
The real problem is there is no efficient way to form pugs other than stand around spamming the General channel.
What we need is some sort of bulletin board system in each town (that spans all the districts).
You walk into town, pull up the bulletin board, click "Add Me" and tick off the quests/missions you are interested in that are in the area. The game adds you to a "list" with your profession and level and maybe some comment you write about yourself.
Anyway trying to form a pug can pull up this list and filter based on quest/mission/profession/level and possibly keyword search the comment. Presto you immediately get a list of everyone in all the districts that have the same goal as you and have the skills your pug is still needing.
That would go a long way towards resolving the complaint the original poster had.
True, this system is still susceptible to people lying, but there will be less incentive for lying as it is easier to form a group with people that share your goal.
Now you will find people that only care about the mission, but will lie and say they want to do the bonus too only to shaft you once the mission starts.
Instead of making suggestions that don't solve the problem, try to think about the real problem and post solutions to that instead.
The real problem is there is no efficient way to form pugs other than stand around spamming the General channel.
What we need is some sort of bulletin board system in each town (that spans all the districts).
You walk into town, pull up the bulletin board, click "Add Me" and tick off the quests/missions you are interested in that are in the area. The game adds you to a "list" with your profession and level and maybe some comment you write about yourself.
Anyway trying to form a pug can pull up this list and filter based on quest/mission/profession/level and possibly keyword search the comment. Presto you immediately get a list of everyone in all the districts that have the same goal as you and have the skills your pug is still needing.
That would go a long way towards resolving the complaint the original poster had.
True, this system is still susceptible to people lying, but there will be less incentive for lying as it is easier to form a group with people that share your goal.
chalt2
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What I'm suggesting is:
Do the mission AND the bonus quest at the same time, just like its done now by many players. Only you dont get the reward for the bonus quest at once, but you will be able to claim it after completing the whole mission. |
If you need help with any of the missions or bonuses and you find me in-game give me a shout and I'll help if I'm not busy.
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I realize that some bonus quests are too hard to be done before having done the mission. But that's the meaning of these quests: The greedy ones who want it all at once will have a very hard mission. The way its been done now, doing the mission first, and later come back much stronger for the bonus, is in fact a way to cheat the bonus levels. Given that and the fact how hard it often is to get a party for the real mission, I think its a fair price to pay that when you go back later for the bonus you will have to do the whole mission again.
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KaPe
"To do the Bonus on the Iron Mines, you must defeat 20+ Mursaat. However, to get Infused, you must first miss the bonus-- and you can't go back."
What? I just did it *again* yesterday. I did mission earlier, but rest of my party didn't - we went to infuse armor then went back to finish the bonus. Where exactly is point of no return in this mission?
What? I just did it *again* yesterday. I did mission earlier, but rest of my party didn't - we went to infuse armor then went back to finish the bonus. Where exactly is point of no return in this mission?
Shadow_Avenger
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Originally Posted by Dazzler
The problem is your suggestion is not fixing the problem. It is just shifting it around so that it does not affect you currently (as you are tying to do the missions), but will bite you in the ass later when you have done the mission but want to do the bonus.
Now you will find people that only care about the mission, but will lie and say they want to do the bonus too only to shaft you once the mission starts. Instead of making suggestions that don't solve the problem, try to think about the real problem and post solutions to that instead. The real problem is there is no efficient way to form pugs other than stand around spamming the General channel. What we need is some sort of bulletin board system in each town (that spans all the districts). You walk into town, pull up the bulletin board, click "Add Me" and tick off the quests/missions you are interested in that are in the area. The game adds you to a "list" with your profession and level and maybe some comment you write about yourself. Anyway trying to form a pug can pull up this list and filter based on quest/mission/profession/level and possibly keyword search the comment. Presto you immediately get a list of everyone in all the districts that have the same goal as you and have the skills your pug is still needing. That would go a long way towards resolving the complaint the original poster had. True, this system is still susceptible to people lying, but there will be less incentive for lying as it is easier to form a group with people that share your goal. |
The original suggestion is a vaild one. It would make you actually have to do the whole missions again in full, big deal, they are not that huge, less than an 1 hour, except for the last 3. For the majority of mission, if not all with a good group, you can do both main and bonus in one go as they are now.
Nice ideas silvertemplar, not to sure how your second point would work in game though.
Dazzler
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
Take some of your own medicine, Your suggestion would not solve anything, as the players who leave the groups are the 'lairs', so you would have exactly the same, only with an extra option to pick them.
The original suggestion is a vaild one. It would make you actually have to do the whole missions again in full, big deal, they are not that huge, less than an 1 hour, except for the last 3. For the majority of mission, if not all with a good group, you can do both main and bonus in one go as they are now. |
Lying is a symptom. Inability to find a pug is the problem. If you make a simple mechanism to form pugs then you have now made decreased the difficulty gap between lying and forming pugs. It will never get rid of all liars, but it will decrease the number of instances this happens, making everyone happier than before and without shifting the problem to a different subset of the population (the bonus-only ppl)
What you are wanting merely shifts the problem and does not actually reduce it one iota.
Creston
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Originally Posted by ZigZag Rollmeister
And as eloquently stated on multiple occasions by Creston...This game needs a better grouping interface/system in order to account for all the mentally-challenged people who can't figure out how to get groups.
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Thank you
I put it into words here :
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=24907
Creston
Raiddinn Beatdropper
Leave it as is.
I want to be able to get henchmen and redo old bonuses without having to redo old whole missions.
*Sometimes* I also want to be able to get a group of people who hasnt done a bonus, and then do the bonus, and get the exp for everybody right there, and then have a consensual everyone restart without me and get an extra and redo but this time do the main...
Tsunamii Starshine
I want to be able to get henchmen and redo old bonuses without having to redo old whole missions.
*Sometimes* I also want to be able to get a group of people who hasnt done a bonus, and then do the bonus, and get the exp for everybody right there, and then have a consensual everyone restart without me and get an extra and redo but this time do the main...
Tsunamii Starshine
nechronius
Yep. There is nothing wrong with the game's mission/bonus mechanic and it absolutely does not need a change. What needs the change is how parties are formed. 100% agree.