A petition inspired by a post here.

http://www.petitiononline.com/arenaptn/petition.html

Please read it, then sign it if you agree, and if you've witnessed the things stated. Again, this is not a flame but merely a suggestion to Arena.net

Am I able to sign -against- this petition?

Who's who doing what??

Considering you've only been a part of this community for a month, probably about the same time you purchased guildwars, it would be a pretty blind sited "sign against", And no, you can't.

Just who is allowed to vote then?

This isn't a poll, perhaps you're not fimiliar with the way how petitions work, you either sign them, or you don't.

Feline,

Don't worry about it. StandardAI is just not a happy camper and so he's after someone's job. I doubt he'll get much support outside of a few pvp people that feel all neglected and downtrodden by ANet. This was tried late last month or early this month and shut down in sort order. Gaile and the rest of ANet know that the majority of people are quite pleased with her peformance.

I believe that StandardAI would like no other opinions voiced but those that support this "petition", but he's just got to deal with the fact that life just doesn't work that way.

You understand of course that this thread will most likely be removed.

I'm aware a majority of the people like her. This petition is for the people who've been around the block, and can see through the fog. The bottom line is having one person in charge of reporting threads/recruiting alpha/PR is a big mistake.

In response to a post in this thread, you can now petition against the aforementioned petition at the following URL:

http://www.petitiononline.com/antiprfa/petition.html

rofl online petitions. gl being taken seriously.

It doesn't really work like that you see, Either you have seen the true side of gaile, or you've seen the cute little side of her that she gets payed for, and you all hug her and tell her how wonderful she is. You can call it all lies, but something isn't a lie just because you havn't seen it.

watch someone make "a petition against the petition that was against the petition that standardAI made".

So even though you realize the vast majority won't agree with you, you start a petition which in essence may only work if a significant part of the community signs it, and in all likelyhood will be ignored regardless?

That's hopeful.

This is inappropriate, as the other attempt was and it should be removed immediately.

This is a PERSONAL ATTACK on a person who, in my opinion has done nothing wrong to deserve this. What exactly has suddently gotten you so uptight after a peaceful time?

This is outrageous in my opinion, and nothing more than an attack and means to cause an unnecessary uproar.

"This is an attack on a person with no grounds other than their disharmony, this is an outrage." Just because you havn't seen everything stated in my petition doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. A lot of us have seen it, and those who have are the ones who are signing my petition. We've been talking about how gaile doesn't do her job correctly well prior to release for a long time on IRC, now it's just being brought to the forums.

In the interest of fairness maybe someone should start a petition calling for a permanent ban of the petitioners.

/sign

I have had some disagreements with the way Gaile has handled some things and i'm probably one of the people this thread is intended for. I was one of those people who was trying to get into the Alpha test (tried and failed for over a YEAR) and finally got sick of the whole process after I became aware that it was entirely a matter of who you knew and how much butt you were willing to kiss.

However, I think Gaile is doing her job quite well. The problem is you don't quite understand exactly what her job is. Her job is to be the pleasant smiling face of Anet and always put the best possible face on things. (even to the point of being slightly misleading) She does that quite well and deserves a raise. Her job isn't to be somebody's personal conduit to the developers. The dev's can use a web browser too you know. Gaile probably has nothing to do with what does and does not change in the game.

As to people having their concerns heard, Anet has been doing a very good job of it thus far. It takes time to make major changes and they can only do so many things at once. I'm not so much defending as asking folks to be realistic. I would say it would be fair to say people's concerns haven't been heard if there hadn't been an update fixing and changing things almost every week since release. Get over it. You're concerns will be heard and adressed if Anet things they are valid. If they aren't then you're up a creek. Things just take time.

As to starting a petition, what possible effect do you think it would have? For every one person who know's what they're talking about, there are 10 who didn't discover the game until a month ago and are signing it just to sign it. So, since the results won't really be valid, the only thing it may accomplish is to draw attention to the issue.... and to you.

Or rather, more fair, a permanant ban on anymore threads attempting to cause someone to lose their job. Arena.Net feels Gaile is adequate, who are we to complain? Some of our community isn't intelligent enough, or old enough to understand some of the workings of how she does her job, and how is it that you yourself seem to know who Gaile really is? That, is an assumption, and I restate, this is a personal attack, by no means is it creatively trying to help the community. Part of that petition states that she should be fired, and it is taken in such a distasteful way that this seems inappropriate and does NOT belong here, regardless what you think you know about Gaile, we all see her the same way you do, on these forums, in game, but never, in real life.

True or not, this is not the place to attempt this, yet again.

Oh, I see, were all blind and you see the truth hey?

get over youself, and stop thinking this game is all about you

StandardAI must not understand how things work in a company. Let's see, come Monday, Gaile's boss will say, "Well Gaile, I am afraid we are going to have to let you go because six teenagers are upset you didn't let them become alpha testers. As you know, that is strictly against company policy and we have to let you go."

Either that, or he has one heck of a subtle sense of humour

-The Mamluk

Let's leave further personal attacks out of this thread, no matter who is right or wrong. People have their reasons. Disagree, disrespect, but stay mature and sensible about it.

Truthfully though you have to be aware that StandardAI has been around and following the game (and been part of the forum community) a helluva lot longer than you. (most likely)

He does know what he's talking about in one or two respects.

Hmmm, Do you think they're going to fire her when the only threads she reports/prints are the ones that are of you guys praising her? Telling her how great she is? Do you think she reports the threads that people post where they tell her she isn't doing her job the right way? I don't think so. Having one person in charge of this is a bad idea, and this should not be how the system is.

Mind you I've only been playing myself since March, and have never seen Gaile be anything but positive unless she was attacked by the likes of you in a flamefest.

But like any reasonable person I can use the much vaunted search function on GWG and a few other sites and look over every post she has ever made. I still don't know what your beef is after doing that.

You and yours seem to have in your mind that it is Gaile's job to go to the design team, programmers and management.. and basically jump up and down on their desks until they do what YOU want.. in YOUR dictated timeframe. Since she apparently hasn't done this you feel all put out and let down and wnt to blame it all on Gaile.

But given the fact that the dev team has in fact heard of your concerns and are addressing them THEIR way, someone obviously got the word to them. I would hazard a guess that Gaile pretty much has done what they pay her to do. Whether that job is what you think it's supposed to be is no one's problem but yours and the people that think like you.

Besides, ANet and NCsoft have more than just Gaile and Alex perusing the boards every day I'm sure. Did we forget Alex? Or did Gaile somehow sneak into Alex's office and gag him and take away his keyboard so that he couldn't possibly relay any concerns of your to the devs.

Could it just possibly be that the devs don't share the same priorities as you do?

Another thing to consider is that from the threads I've been reading the past few months, a LOT of them were not written to be constructive beyond "Gimme UA Everything NOW NOW NOW"

But let's just try to demonize Gaile because things aren't going the way we want and since she's not a hardcore PvP player she has no business doing PR for ANet. Get a grip why don't you all. Grow up... the world doesn't revolve around you and your demands. If you want to see change, be constructive and offer suggestions that are within the context of the Devs idea of what the game should be.

But you aren't the one to say how it -should- be AI, this has nothing to do with how she does her job, this is more personal than that. Merely because you do not like the way she has handled things, you attempt to get her booted from her job, which can impact her REAL life. If someone was attempting to get you fired from your job, and you needed it, for one reason or another, bills, expenses of living, etc. Wouldn't you find it more offensive and personal than merely the fact that you disagree with how she is doing her job?

Perhaps this is how she was TOLD to do her job, people may do things in work that they are told to do but disagree with, because it is their job, and so they can continue to have a job, period.

If this were to merely suggest a few more representatives then fine, but as it is stated, you mean to have her fired, or demoted and more people put into her place.

EDIT: Much better put than my posts Corwin, thats why you're the brains...

Right on Corwin Andros!

I was just looking at the two petitions as they stand so far.

the thread starting petition has 9 signiatures, of which 5 people have stated they quit Guildwars.

if they truly have quit playing guildwars, then why are they worried if she hangs around? DUH

so that means there are 4 people who have signed it that still play the game.

the petition against the petition has 7 signiatures.

4 players vs 7 players. not looking good for you

you gotta realise that on the extremely small chance that Anet event looks at these petitions, who are they going to worry about most, people who have quit playing, or people who are still playing?

I have no idea on any of the background of Gaile, or what has and hasn't happened, but to be the face of a community of literally 10's of thousands of people, how good a job do you really think she is doing, or is it just a few people she has upset??

Do you know anything about PR?

What I would like to know is why exactly are those who have quit Guild Wars, for good or otherwise, still doing around these forums? If they have lost that much interest in the game to stop playing, does this not mean then that they would, by rights, have lost interest in anything Guild Wars? Or rather, is it only temporary until they see things have changed in their favor? Rather interesting to think about.

be an adult, and walk away. Don't whine and pound your fist about unfair treatment... Because nobody cares, sport.... You have 10 signatures at the time of this post... you have no logic behind your "claims" and little ground to move with... The fact is, ArenaNet hired "Gaile" to do a job, and until they are dissatisfied with her performance she will not be removed. You don't get a say. Period. End of list.

Move on.

In memory of what they believe once was, and they return after each update to see if the game fits their "needs". In the meantime they like to let everyone else know how they feel, for some odd reason they can't grasp the concept that Gaile and Alex have read these threads and ArenaNet is already working of a solution.

I think this is a cruel way to try and change the game, would you appreciate it if someone told you that you were terrible at your job? Work for many people is essentially their life, now isn't that like saying, You suck at life?

--Ginko

AI

pure and simple you dont understand her job description

Community Relations Manager

her job is to present what the company is doing and planning to do as well as swat rumors and give as many answers to questions as she can


community relations not messenger to the devs for you

considering how many people wanted those alpha tester positions are you supprised that most didnt get it?

wow Gaile must have influence there

she personally kept you and your friends from the alpha

she personally told them how to make pvp to spite you

and after years of development she doesnt turn GW into your personal vision of the perfect game

you and the petitioner are on a personal vendeta against Gaile which shows quite a bit about you as a person

Quite true Lovi. How a person replies in response to certain actions shows very well a persons true nature or feeling at times, now how they react to other peoples reactions, and how they persue a point also shows a great deal of true character of a person, merely a bit of insight here, and common sense for that matter. Though, at times, maturity and intelligence can be hidden behind the simplest stupidity of a person, there are those times when it is perfectly crystal clear as to how a person truly is...

Now with some purely important work to take care of for real life, I'm leaving this 'discussion' as it stands... checking in later though...

Done Arguing, Believe what you want. If you believe the petition is right, vote for it. If you don't, good for you.

This may come as a shock to some, but guild wars is NOT real life......seriously....... its a game if you dont like it dont play it.

Fack, I can't believe this thread has had any development at all. This whole petition is a joke and obviously was made as nothing more than a childish stab. It would be like me making about stadard AI, claiming he licks nuts and I am cooler than him.

Gaile for the win!

I just wanted to get a post in before the inevitable lock

As with the last thread, I'm of no particular opinion.

I don't know Gaile, and I can't say I've seen enough of what she does to say she's doing an astounding job, or even decent. By the same token, I can't say otherwise. And I won't pretend I know enough to make such a judgement.

However, despite that, I can comment on the thread and petition alone still:

Simply because there's a name involved that you have a face to attribute it to, people automatically construe it as a personal attack. However, is Gaile her job? No. The petition is ideally directed solely towards her actions in her job as a professional. Professional misconduct is a real issue that should be addressed.

Personal misconduct, such as if a person in a professional position, say, cybered with somebody and you found that out and posted it on the board, then that'd be a personal attack.

Things a person does while in the role of a professional are perfectly fair game. If a moderator closed threads repeatedly for no reason (As unlikely as that is) other than that he/she disliked certain people, and totally ignored attempts to PM them, and the admins failed to recognize that such behaviour was going on, would you say it would be inappropriate to similarly point out instances of that behaviour to the public?

Yes, it is a private forum and they can in actuality do whatever they want, but they don't for a good number of reasons. To practice sound ethical judgement, to be an open and reputable, and so on.

Yes, they can leave, they can quit the game, etc. But that's really just giving up. Bringing about change for the good of others is a noble cause. Not just for a forum, or for a game, but in life as well. Although, with how many people that react with, "If you don't like it, leave the country" when people respond negatively to some government policies, I wouldn't expect most people to accept the above, unless it's them in the position of take it or leave it.

Idealogy aside, the petition is largely fluff. If that were page 1 of many to come explaining things in detail and citing actual examples of such behaviour, I'd actually consider making a decision based on the information present. What it is in reality is just heresy.

If you want to be taken seriously, start writing, start explaining, and get more people to do so as well. Most importantly, keep it professional. Proper spelling and grammar are perks, but what I really mean is to spell things out fully, and to write it in an informational tone. If you write things in such a way that they feel personal, then people will take it personally.

And of course, the above is all just my opinion, and I'm sure other people see it in a different light.