Greed and People and the Economy

today i was in lions arch spamming WTB Gold Sword With Max Dmg Mods and a person named Princess Pain spams WTS TRADE/SELL GODLY MAX DMG GOLD CRYSTALINE SWORD 8 REQ +13 IN STANCE ALONG WITH 4 OTHER GOLD SWORDS.

i go take a look she has some good swords 2 of which were permanent +15 dmg spatha/longswords with the -5 regen i go to offer 100 plat + some of my gold axes and some gold bows with perfect mods sundering/enchant the bit.

the person goes nah no way someone offered me 500 plat each for those 2 swords but i cant sell them because i have no room for items all my characters have 100 plat and my vault has 1000 plat (putting her/him/it @ 1.4 million + godly items that it demanded 500+ plat for each)

so i go to the person how is EBAY treating you the person reiterates with "ebay? the only thing i sell there are "names some general item"

i then reiterated with then why do u want to sell those weapons for such a high price if you cant even contain any of the money

the person has a blank response then says something about trading for other stuff which was complete bs because this person Princess Pain is a gold dealer for one of the prominent websites along with being an item dealer i think each sword was about 40-50 bucks dont quote me but im sure if you visit a prominent site you will find them there just look for godly spathas/longs/forked and yes the Crystaline and also THE Max gold fell with +15 while above 50 with 30 pommel and 10-10 hilt.

but ya this economy is pissing me off and i wish we had a platinum/gold sweep i can care less if i lose all my cash boo hoo but atleast it would be a fresh start in the economy it sucks so bad with noobs thinking they can get 100+ plat for just a stupid 30 fortitude upgrade when there are other idiots selling them for 25-60+ plat alone it just goes to show people are greedy and idiots i hate the economy so much but i still like the game

later after my argument with Princess Pain some other guy was selling a max gold gladius with +14 while above 15% and +25 foritude + icy hilt the guy wanted an offer so i put 100 plat on it and he instantly jumps on it the greed that these people have is so immense and disgusting

im done ranting

-dissatisfied window shopper

kind of like real life huh?

nah not really atleast in real life if you were getting scammed and you had an ounce of intelligence to realize that you could do something about it.....all you can do here is take a screen shot and /report oh well

You know why people think the economy is so screwed up? Because they arent willing to use godly items from collectors.

Btw, a +30 health pommel can go for well over 130k.

A gold sweep would just buy time, everything would return to the way it was eventually. Anet just needs to tinker with the economy, via updates, until it fixes itself. Such a large economy as GW is dynamic and has quickly reflected the fixes Anet has put in so far.

Really, this will never change. As in real life, there will always be the very expensive, expensive, reasonable, and cheap.

So you want to farm like a madman to get gold to get 500k sowrds to have +1% to pwn monsters ? What do you like feeling big or something ? when you create a PvP char you get those free. Use your 500k to buy unided runes and pay people to run you through missions to unlock skills. Seriously.

What's wrong with getting another +1% I personally am not too concerned. But ppl have different goals in game. May be they want to look cool in that FoW suit they just got. Some like to get high fames to do cool emotes and go tombing. Others like to GvG and enjoy having their guild ranked in the top.

Shrugs. I don't see the need to tell ppl what they should and shouldn't do.

Alot of people think if you use collecters items your not cool. The reason is oh thats collecters but it doesnt make you look good like this sword but even though yours is better stats mine makes me look cool. Most my gear is collecter item stuff.

wiping the gold would change nothing, except to the people who dont have much, what would really help is BANNING anyone who sells on ebay!, which shouldnt be a big problem, seeing as how its against the rules and all.

I just only use what I find myself or can get from NPC traders. I very occassionally trade for a color dye I want, and once traded for a very cheap sword early in the game, but I mostly ignore the trading stuff altogether.

I just don't care about having the Uber Sword of Viagra or 100 platinum. Pretend power and money isn't all that exciting to me. I don't think how I play the game is better (I probably die a lot more than most of you, lol), but at least the economy has little effect on me.

--Nokomis

Greed? 'Tis called a good business my friend.

aside from the bots selling on ebay, the best way to handle this was mentioned in one of the auction threads. Have all saleable items searchable by icon and price, so you can see all of the same or similar icons next to each other. The people who charge less will sell sooner, the people who charge more will have to lower their prices to make anything.

I sell all my stuff at about 50% value cuz I sell to a middleman in bulk. I don't make as much, but I also get rid of it all at once without arsing around with WTS WTS WTS.

The economy only really effects you if you let it. As other people have said, you can just use collector's items and never have to sell or trade at all. That's one of the good things about the game - There is absolutely no necessity for buying or selling, it's totally optional. If you would rather pay 100k for something, then you can. If you don't want to, then just don't. Get it yourself.

If you wiped gold items should also be wiped. Why? Because people would just sell that 200K storm bow to me for 70K. I would wait a week and sell it for 200K inflation and the economic problems would be right back.

Why would the person sell that 200K item for 70K, you ask. Because it would be about twice as much money as any body else had. This wipe would only serve to make thoughs of us who play the market crushingly rich.

I can go from a post-seering character in ascalon with no items and 1K gold to having 15K gold on that character in about 3 and a half hours of play. I can reach 100K (or more) in about 15 hours of play on that character. If I used my character that has reached Lions Arch I could make even more money. I would make 100K in the first 8 hours, then as no one has the money to buy sigils the PvPers will sell them to the sigil trader. When they reach about 15K I would just buy all that I could go make more money and repeat until I had like 20 sigils. Wait 2 weeks for people to have money again and sigils to reach 60K again. Undercut the market by selling at 50K each. I would have just made 500K. Within that 2 weeks (about 24 hours of real game play time) I would have become a millionare again and messed it up for the people who gain gold slower.

In conclusion you would only make the average player and the farmers poor for any length of time. The good PvPers would make the money on sigils and become rich again while buying the items they wanted cheaper, as there is now less gold in the economy. The people like me who can play the market well would become wealthy again in short order (time before becoming rich depends on your skill at playing the market) and spend gold on all those items that we could outbid everyone else for. We wait 2 weeks till the market is back and make even more money.

ya that is true with the gold wiping...and for the collector stuff i use it for my necro blood/curse/death items they are really very good and i consider the collector caster items more "godly" than 90% of the garbage people try and its ultra cheap cant go wrong with 20/20

Quoted for emphasis.

I always find it funny when people go on about looking good in a game.

I was on a mission the other day, and someone commented on my Vest doesn't go with the rest of my outfit.

I'm running a female Ele/Mo at the moment, and the Top i got was from a collector, because of the higher protection it provided. I wear Fire Protection armor(Pyromancer or something) and the top was a plain Ele Top.

I kind of like it, as it makes me look different.

Personally though, I couldn't really care less what I looked like as long as I had the protection and was able to get through the mobs a lot easier.

It was kind of funny, but we got through the mission, all intact, and as I knew what I was doing for both Mission and Bonus, I don't see how a top really makes that much difference.

With regards to weapons and uber items, I go with what I can and try out different combos to see how I get on.

I'm not rich in the game, but I have a lot of fun playing when I do play. I just don't spend hours on end playing as I have a life outside gaming that takes control of what I do.

Re collector stuff... I do not like to use thier focii. Most collector focii have a -1 or something to energy regen. I do not like that.

Now collector armor is a diff story. I will use that but it can be a pain to get. Go collect a bunch of dino dung then take it back to the collector...get the armband armor...save up more dino dung...find another armor collector...get the foot armor...save up more dino dung...find another armor collector...get the chest armor...save up more dino dung...find another armor collector...get the leggings armor...save up more dino dung...find another armor collector...get the tattoo/helmet/whatever armor...wash, rinse, repeat.

LoL, no kidding, the difference between a max sword w/ 15% on enchant and the same sword w/ gold text = 100k+++

People are so stupid not to realize that, I'm selling them a sword that is basically godlike(+15% on stance, great for battle rage) and save them the hassle of getting the damn sword themselves and they're like OMG THATS A COLLECTORS!! = worthless. I mean I was like WTF? isn't stats the most important when dealing dmg and winning?!

Then they go, its all for looks :| Anyway, needless to say I'm using that collectors and damn it pwns, while they're w/ their +14% swords costing them 100k+++ Its not as much as the economy is messed as people who play this game hardcore dont seem to have much common sense.

I have an ascalon long bow w/ perfect stats(15% over 50%hp) and this guy wouldn't pay for 1k for it(its a hell to get this thing) but he's willing to pay for the same stat bow w/ gold text 100k++, I'm like 0_o needless to say, I'm using mostly godly collectors on my char(cept my hammer build) I have the best possible equipment minus the cost, people still dont realize that ^^

Amen. I don't use collectors at all but I just buy the cheap stuff off of people. I paid 2k for my Chaos Axe and 1k for the weapon upgrades. I'm happy with it, I enjoy playing the game and I'm not going to sit there and spend hours on end farming just so I can feign wealth. I get no satisfaction from becoming rich in a game.

resetting the economy would not do anything to address the core issue of why things have gotten like this in the first place. hence all resetting it would do would change things for 1 or 2 weeks at max, and then it would go right back to how it is now

best solution is for merchants to sell all items. obviously some priced a lot more expensively than others.

or they can increase drop rates by about 100 billion fold. and make it so henchmen never get drops

or make it so botting doesnt work and people with 1000plat accounts have their accounts looked at to see where the money goes...and how much of it goes to said location.......................................... ...../ban

except even with that, it doesn't do much good

because if botters can make more money with botting before being banned than what they have to shell out for the price of a new game, then they will keep botting forever. hence banning them has no effect on getting them to stop botting

Well, that makes you an instant candidate for my ignore list, but lets read on shall we? People like you are exactly why I keep TRADE turned off.

Curses! she out-733ted you! Well, capitalism at its finest, you'll attempt to buy her crap cheap so you can rape someone else with it...all well and good.

Don't you HATE when a sucker turns out to not be a sucker?

ALERT! phat lewts denied!

SO to summarize, she had better wares and wouldn't give them to you at the price you demanded, therefore, she's a botter, scammer, exploiter and loot *****?
Hardly, young podling - you have much to learn.

Now you throw insult on injury. You don't care about a platinum/gold sweep? ROFLMAO - Fine, give me your sword for FREE then.
Uh huh...right.

Thus, you join the legion of people who beleive if they don't get what they want whenever they want it, the game is hosed, screwed, unbalanced, ruined, etc. etc.

There are words to describe you, but I'll save that for the others to do.

lol wow dude mean much but its cool wouldnt want to talk to you regardless anyway the ass holes will always show themselves first

There are some rather important items that aren't available from the collectors - 15% while health above swords and axes, and 20/20 healing staves for starters. I'd like to get myself that collector Longbow, but hell if I know how I'm going to pharm the shells for it.

The real pain is the upgrades. While some of the good ones are pretty common, there are some key upgrades (+5 strings, 20% enchanting parts) that are virtually impossible to find. There aren't exactly viable alternatives to those, either.

Still, looking pretty good all things considered. With the rune trader, there are only a couple things left that need to be cleaned up before grinding gold will truly be a luxury.

Peace,
-CxE

Chaos Axes drop like crazy in Fissure of Woe. Seriously. I sold three of them yesterday for 300 gold each because I needed the inventory space and I can't say I felt like trying to drain money out of someone who has never been to FoW before.

Collector items actually really rock. I just wish the collector would actually show all the stats on an item. Like, theres a collector (in the desert I think?) who gives a max damage long bow with +10% damage with health above 50%. People try to sell bows like that for a decent amount.

TD, You just made my ignore list and I never even met you. What an ego you must have, and totally unjustified from my reckoning. I've seen several like you reading these forums. People like you make me keep my local chat off in game, play with henchmen, and use the items that drop for myself. Oddly I still have gold max damage weapons and other items and runes, and didn't pay people like you a cent.

But you're much more elite than anyone else, in your own mind. Find some humility or just be one of the trash talking, chest thumping junior high school playground types that abound.

edited to better reflect the target of my disdain

Hmmm, I tend to have 5k on me max, maybe I better start farming - no wait ! I'll just give up work, that'll give me loads of time to get money and monitor the markets...

i know of the brute sowrd i think its outside dunes of despair its +15% while enchanted and well that ascalon bow that is at the mineral springs like before u fight the infusion monster thing its +15% while above 50% those arent bad to use i know i've used the brute sword and its pretty good

Isn't naming names against the board rules?

wow... derision, condescension, malice and vitriol... all in one post. There are words to describe you too.

And frankly, that's like the third or so harsh reply I've read where you totally go off on the poster. However accurate or eloquent you're points may be, there's no need for such mean spirited responses. Everyone has a right to express their opinion without getting flamed for it. I'm surprised that the moderators just let this stuff go without doing anything at all. Guess the following is just lip service around here...

As I said many times before, with an upgrade trader, in theory, the economy will be perfect. However, people who complain about the economy are seldom complaining about upgrades. Ironically, they whine about the prices of GOLD weapons with high damage mods. Only when people can stop being so superficial and take a stand, saying " I will use this appalling and disgusting looking collector's item because it is every bit as good as a gold one" can the economy be sufficient. Honestly, if you are not able to get the gold, you can fallback on collectors items. It is nothing but sheer vanity which is currently driving the economy. I agree with the topic creator that people are too greedy, but the ones who are truly being greedy are the buyers even moreso than the sellers.

vitriol....wow that is the first time i have EVER seen that word used /tiphat
lol i have NEVER found a use for that word but nice../nice

Just to make sure we all understand Van: (and supporters)

You were 'spamming" the city zone you were in trying to sell your uberleet weapons.
A competitior began offering MORE uberleet equipment for sale.
You attempted to buy it off her so you could hold the monopoly on today's leet-market.
She said no thanks.
So you pitch a fit, accuse her of underhanded practices, and of course the game is totally hosed and unbalanced because she refused your lousy offer and made you mad?

Yes, PLEASE add me to your ignore list! I'll pay you to do it. ROFLMAO.

Your pal,
Tal

Actually, he was spamming WTB messages. There's a difference between WTB and WTS...