Anets policy of sympton curing kills the game! - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

28 Jun 2005 at 20:16 - 1

Today Anet did an extra update 'to correct a map location that has been heavily exploited by those using bots.'. Rather than taking meassures to remove all those bots the game is getting harder and harder for regular players because hordes of monsters should prevent getting bots to their farming location. Instead of curing the sickness its only a battle against symptons

The bad thing about this policy is that regular players are getting more and more frustrated because they have to repeat their pulling tricks more and more just te get a little bit further on the map (Not repetative ehh???). If the only thing Anet can do against bots is to nerf the game but let bots unbanned than they are no better in preventing exploits than Blizzard in D2. And wasn't that one of the BIG promisses? A game without bots?

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

28 Jun 2005 at 20:27 - 2

It's spelled "symptom".

Otherwise, I agree. Good thing I'm pretty much done with the desert, lord only knows it was annoying enough before.

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

28 Jun 2005 at 20:28 - 3

OMFG There are now creatures GUARDING the treasure! The game has just gotten way too hard now...

P.S. Did you miss the already existing thread on this, or wasn't the title sufficiently provacative for trolling in?

Ginko

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

The Illuminati

28 Jun 2005 at 20:30 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

OMFG There are now creatures GUARDING the treasure! The game has just gotten way too hard now...

Well said, but it's still possible to get things from boxes by zoning with a propper Warrior build.

--Ginko

Hebug

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ectos and Shards [EnS]

28 Jun 2005 at 20:30 - 5

I can't believe they think treasure should be guarded. What kind of person would dream up the idea that treasure is valuable and should be protected and earned. I demand that I get my valuable items easily and freely. Damn Anet for ruining such a thing.

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 20:30 - 6

why do people complain when games get difficult???? this game is FAR too easy...I welcome the idea of making it a bit harder.

toastgodsupreme

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

United States

Me/

28 Jun 2005 at 20:31 - 7

Edit: I do find it annoying that they're taking more efforts to change the maps than ban the bots.

stumpy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

Canucklehead BC, Canada

Advanced Necro Undead Society

28 Jun 2005 at 20:34 - 8

I agree ... this game is made to easy but its only the opening chapter. Think about it. If it were made hard ... all the straight pvp players that need to get to droknars would complain even more. I encourage a more challenging pve area ... in the future chapters. More challenge and more liberty (towns you can go town but dont even need, like ice tooth cave ... more open map not follow the yellow brick road to ascention dorthy ... )

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

28 Jun 2005 at 20:34 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Algren Cole

why do people complain when games get difficult???? this game is FAR too easy...I welcome the idea of making it a bit harder.

The thing is, it hasn't really made anything more difficult in that area other than getting free treasure. As for why do people complain, particularly when there's really nothing to complain about, it's because they are sad little people. Aren't there enough real problems to complain about?

Anyone who says adding a few monsters around some wreckage "kills the game" is clearly without anything of merit to say on the subject. Even if they had a point to begin with, when your opponent in a debate starts resorting to utterly ridiculous exaggeration, you've already won. At that point they're making themselves look silly, you hardly even have to argue with them...

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

28 Jun 2005 at 20:48 - 10

Its amazing how people read through collored spectacles and just repeat what they always say over and over again, day in day out

I dont know anything about chests. What I'm saying is that Anet does not help anyone by nerfing the game. They should take away the cause: the bots!

And for the nerfing: Those items have no value. Maybe in gold, but whats the use of having tons of gold? The only thing you can do with it is to buy dandy stuff to look better.

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 20:55 - 11

I love how everyone says "take away the bots"...how would you propose they do this?

stumpy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

Canucklehead BC, Canada

Advanced Necro Undead Society

28 Jun 2005 at 20:59 - 12

i have to agree gold is well ... gold ... it will come and go forever. nerfing is more of a practical joke i think anet uses to sting people who mess with their game (just kidding anet, we all hale to gw

)

*ducks outta way of nerf bat*

as for bots ... well really not too much we can do I believe. Currrently it is still somewhat balanced imo, I still make gold, still get treasure, you can avoid many of the added pests, and I dont even farm anymore, just cap elites.

I know this will seem dim, but I haven't even really noticed to much of a change in the game. Maybe at Mineral Springs area, but thats about it. The desert seemed fairly normal to me and I'm on my 4th character throiugh there.

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 21:01 - 13

No one is getting banned, especially not so you can take misplaced satisfaction from it. Sorry.

Evan The Cursed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 21:03 - 14

Agreed with toast's post. Both parts of it.

Arvydas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Soul Devourers

W/Mo

28 Jun 2005 at 21:09 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Its amazing how people read through collored spectacles and just repeat what they always say over and over again, day in day out

I dont know anything about chests. What I'm saying is that Anet does not help anyone by nerfing the game. They should take away the cause: the bots!

And for the nerfing: Those items have no value. Maybe in gold, but whats the use of having tons of gold? The only thing you can do with it is to buy dandy stuff to look better.

Making tons of gold without sitting in front of the computer and then sell them to people on ebay for real money

as for taking out the bots, it's not an easy job. they can ban the accounts, but they can't write something just to remove them, because bots appear to be real characters in game, as far as i know.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

28 Jun 2005 at 21:29 - 16

They will never be able to get rid of bot programs.

The reason for this is all you have to have a program that simulate key press or mouse movements that windows see as normal input.

Since GW is designed to run minimized, window mode, or full screen it's very easy for 3rd party programs to work on guild wars.

Removing run minimized, windows mode will not work either, FFXI (Pc Version) was designed this way and there are programs out there that allow / trick it to run in a window mode.

They only way to deal with bots is to find a way to id bots in game based on cretiera or somehow effect what there botting after, in this case those treasure chests. If you have an overly aggressive bot detection you get false positives, if too lax, you will miss them.

This case was so blatant to the point it was causing sever lag in that zone from what I was seeing (video and reading) and I will bet they took down the accounts using the bots before adding the monsters for future banning.

They will not be able to stop bots 100% because botting evolves in complexity. There goal will be level design and in game detection.

I have no objection about monster guarding treasure box's, just make it worth it going through all those monsters besides the xp. The sheer amount of changes in this game in this little time shows how devoted they are to this game and I have not doubt something is in the works.

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

28 Jun 2005 at 21:36 - 17

The only thing you need to do to ban bots is to add a picture of a random number before changing a map and ask to enter that number to continue. Its really very easy to ban bots this way...

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 21:40 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

The only thing you need to do to ban bots is to add a picture of a random number before changing a map and ask to enter that number to continue. Its really very easy to ban bots this way...

ya..assuming that the people writing the bots know as little about computers as you do this would work.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 22:13 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Algren Cole

ya..assuming that the people writing the bots know as little about computers as you do this would work.

Assuming bots can read, write, play tennis, and cook tasty meals, you're right, Algren.

Dusk_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

28 Jun 2005 at 22:20 - 20

People can write bots that will read and punch in the random numbers. It's been done before, not with Guild Wars or course, but plenty of other programs.

Besides, let's put it this way:

Option 1: Tick everyone off (people who don't cheat) by making them do some stupid code just to go somewhere.

Option 2: Add enemies next to boxes.

Wow, I wonder which one is the better one...

Blahofstars

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/Mo

28 Jun 2005 at 22:25 - 21

Or they could just eliminate treasure boxes all together. That way, not only will there be NO MORE BOTS farming them, but no one will be complaining about the mobs guarding the treasure as there is no more treasure.

Dusk_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

28 Jun 2005 at 22:31 - 22

Yes indeed, why don't we eliminate Guild Wars altogether so people can't complain about it anymore?

Granamyr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Mo/

28 Jun 2005 at 22:32 - 23

It'd be one thing if ANet implemented all these hindrances and was actually making a dent in the bot population but they're obviously not because we keep seeing these "fixes". The drop rates were nerfed, the drop rates were brought to zero, every group over 3 mobs now has a disenchanter, now they're adding more of these annoyances.

How much of this crap do we have to endure to attempt to solve the bot problem -- an issue that most of the community doesn't even know/care about in the first place? ANet would do well to prioritize which issues they tackle based on fansite feedback because I guarantee bot disruption is not topping the list! Furthermore, they're doing a lousy job at it.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

28 Jun 2005 at 22:35 - 24

Here's a thought, have tresure rewarded when you return from an explore run when you return to the city (like unclaimed items with a mission) and remove the treasure chests but that introduce if I warp / leave group issues / opps Im out of room.

alexmeier175

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Draknor's Forge

Call Of Chtuluh

28 Jun 2005 at 23:20 - 25

well to tell teh truth the botting in that area was blatant .I mean I was standing in seeker's reach and I could litteraly count the stream of bots running bakck and forth..not to mention the lag!!!!!!!!!
Besides adding a few monsters just amkes it more fun

prankster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

La Crescenta, CA

Pwnzors Of Doom

W/E

28 Jun 2005 at 23:33 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

The only thing you need to do to ban bots is to add a picture of a random number before changing a map and ask to enter that number to continue. Its really very easy to ban bots this way...

Actually, a form of this would be a very good solution. Use a system like what ticketmaster does, where the number, word, or whatever is obscured by a bunch of other "static" in the image. This makes it so that a program cannot read it, but people can. Ticketmaster does this to prevent people from "bot -buying" tickets. If it works for them, it will work for GW.

TheMarvin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

28 Jun 2005 at 23:38 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by prankster

Actually, a form of this would be a very good solution. Use a system like what ticketmaster does, where the number, word, or whatever is obscured by a bunch of other "static" in the image. This makes it so that a program cannot read it, but people can. Ticketmaster does this to prevent people from "bot -buying" tickets. If it works for them, it will work for GW.

So if one person is idle, or a griefer, the rest of the group can't leave the map? Not a good idea at -all-.

deathwearer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Canada/Quebec

Silentum Altum

E/Mo

28 Jun 2005 at 23:40 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

P.S. Did you miss the already existing thread on this, or wasn't the title sufficiently provacative for trolling in?

lock it?

we don't need to go over it again =|

prankster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

La Crescenta, CA

Pwnzors Of Doom

W/E

28 Jun 2005 at 23:45 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMarvin

So if one person is idle, or a griefer, the rest of the group can't leave the map? Not a good idea at -all-.

No, not at all. Make it so that only one person needs to enter this code. By doing this, if a bot program is running, it has to have a person enter the code each time, making it time consuming and unprofitable. Bots will be unable to zone, and if there is one person, running 5 bots and themselves in a group for example, they still have to split the profit 6 ways, instead of having 6 individuals. It would be a forced method to have an inteligence interact with the computer.