Especially in pvp.
Ok lets do this out
IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp?
its like fighting your damn clone. the team that wins is the team with the better strat/monk
Im not talking about uber weapons like 45-60 but ATLEAST a chance for a player who plays alot to work his way to refine/buy/find a weapon that has a little higher stats than others
OMG HE HAS A 20-25 SWORD and i only have 18-24 I R DOOMED........
or HE HAS A SUP VIGOR AND HAS 40 MORE HEALTH THAN ME.
wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy......
Ok lets realize that no higher stats EQUAL BORING
internopsp
EternalTempest
It's about skills, strategy and how you use em.
Similar equipment puts you on the same platform as everyone else.
It's how you fight, what skill combo's you use how well it works against other types, how quick are you to adapt.
If you have two jobs you have about 150 skills and can only choose 8 covering 8 diffrent types of magic / abilities.
Similar equipment puts you on the same platform as everyone else.
It's how you fight, what skill combo's you use how well it works against other types, how quick are you to adapt.
If you have two jobs you have about 150 skills and can only choose 8 covering 8 diffrent types of magic / abilities.
Castanza
i am going to assume that you haven't played much pvp
The design of this game is such that armor and weapons are not meant to matter much in pvp, instead it is how well you use your 8 skills, this is where the game sets it self apart from many other mmorpgs in that you have to know how to work well with a team, know what skills they are using and build your skills so that they work well with the rest of your team.
The focus is on skill use and when both players are equal in weapons and armour then you will find out who is better at using their skills, which is the whole point of the game
A-net said from the begging that this game is not desinged to JUST bennifit those who play forever. They do this by making all the armor comparable to each other.
The design of this game is such that armor and weapons are not meant to matter much in pvp, instead it is how well you use your 8 skills, this is where the game sets it self apart from many other mmorpgs in that you have to know how to work well with a team, know what skills they are using and build your skills so that they work well with the rest of your team.
The focus is on skill use and when both players are equal in weapons and armour then you will find out who is better at using their skills, which is the whole point of the game
A-net said from the begging that this game is not desinged to JUST bennifit those who play forever. They do this by making all the armor comparable to each other.
Dreamsmith
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IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp?
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Do you think you could beat Gary Kasparov in a game of chess? You both start with equal pieces, that means you're just as good as he is, right?
EternalTempest
If you look at just my Elementalist skills areas I can chose from Fire, Cold, Earth, Air. (ignore my sub job completely)
If I will be a fire mage, I can do great Area of Effect spells but my weakness is being rushed or take to long to cast spells, but if say if someone else makes you hard to move out of the way watch out.
If I am an air mage I have very nice direct damage fast casting spells that can drop you quick. Mind you be out of magic overall and if your friends rush me, etc.
If I am an earth mage
I have access to great protection spells for me or large area around me that nulls damage, I may have one or two offensive spells.
If I am a cold mage, good blend of damage / status afflicting spells.
This is just small example of all the things I could be regardless of my armor / weapon.
Now do I take Fire and mix it with another type to have both, do just one or mix it with one of the 4 area's of differences from my sub (from 5 diffrent subs to choose from) offer.
If I will be a fire mage, I can do great Area of Effect spells but my weakness is being rushed or take to long to cast spells, but if say if someone else makes you hard to move out of the way watch out.
If I am an air mage I have very nice direct damage fast casting spells that can drop you quick. Mind you be out of magic overall and if your friends rush me, etc.
If I am an earth mage
I have access to great protection spells for me or large area around me that nulls damage, I may have one or two offensive spells.If I am a cold mage, good blend of damage / status afflicting spells.
This is just small example of all the things I could be regardless of my armor / weapon.
Now do I take Fire and mix it with another type to have both, do just one or mix it with one of the 4 area's of differences from my sub (from 5 diffrent subs to choose from) offer.
derrtyboy69
umm, first off, who is Gary Kasparov? obviously a chess player, but how bout something more practical: If you were the same weight and height and equipment as alex rodrigez, would you be as good as him? HELL NO (yankees suck) this game was, and is, the first game that you dont have to spend 800 hours farming for a great item. Because then, a guild of people that do this for ever would dominate the HoH, and the balance would be lost. People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get the best equipment, mostly because it looks good. this is stupid (not that i dont it). But you can simply make a PvP character with perfect equipment, except they dont have constant dmg weapons
deathwearer
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Do you think you could beat Gary Kasparov in a game of chess? You both start with equal pieces, that means you're just as good as he is, right?
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ok.... LOL
theclam
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the team that wins is the team with the better strat/monk
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nechronius
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If you were the same weight and height and equipment as alex rodrigez, would you be as good as him?
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Spike
when will people realise pvp IS BOREING and no challange. this is why pvpers complain all the time it gave them something to do. (just in case people don't get this its called SARCASM 
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Aidan Gawain
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wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy......
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If you have good strategy and reflexes, this is a big plus for you. If all you have is a lot of time on your hands with which to grind for the ub3r gear, this is a big minus.
Dumachum
PvP is kind of boring. GW has been out for like 2 months and we have all of about half a dozen different model builds out there. There's the Air spikers, the minion horders, the enchantment stacking smite bitches, the condition spammers, and the spirit spammers. After that you have all the dead warrior based builds that no one uses anymore since beta.
This isn't really strategy or skill after you get to a certain threshold. Human limitations sees to that. It's my rock smashes your scissors and once we kick your ass out of HoH you'll come back in 15 minutes later (exploiting the quick jump bug) with your "paper build" and kick us out. And the cycle loops to infinity.
This isn't really strategy or skill after you get to a certain threshold. Human limitations sees to that. It's my rock smashes your scissors and once we kick your ass out of HoH you'll come back in 15 minutes later (exploiting the quick jump bug) with your "paper build" and kick us out. And the cycle loops to infinity.
ComMan
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Who is alex rodrigez?
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Making better stuff doesn't equal more challenge. That just means that only people who have spent 500 hours to get the best stuff and play the PvP...against people with equal stuff who also spent 500 hours getting it.
internopsp
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PvP is kind of boring. GW has been out for like 2 months and we have all of about half a dozen different model builds out there. There's the Air spikers, the minion horders, the enchantment stacking smite bitches, the condition spammers, and the spirit spammers. After that you have all the dead warrior based builds that no one uses anymore since beta.
This isn't really strategy or skill after you get to a certain threshold. Human limitations sees to that. It's my rock smashes your scissors and once we kick your ass out of HoH you'll come back in 15 minutes later (exploiting the quick jump bug) with your "paper build" and kick us out. And the cycle loops to infinity. |
Tellani Artini
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quick jump bug?
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DarrenJasper
This thread is a motherlode of misinformation
goku19123
Hmmm....equal playing field...I believe then the challenge is beating other people with something that some people call "skill," instead of "time spent."
Eos
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Especially in pvp.
Ok lets do this out IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp? OMG HE HAS A 20-25 SWORD and i only have 18-24 I R DOOMED........ or HE HAS A SUP VIGOR AND HAS 40 MORE HEALTH THAN ME. wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy...... |
ManadartheHealer
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This thread is a motherlode of misinformation
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DrSLUGFly
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the team that wins is the team with the better strat (strategy) / monk (player skill)
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crazy diamond
OMG!! Don't tell me I'm actualy expected to think and improvise in this game?!
King of Fools
now, now, i seriously think the original poster is after my crown. lol. but since i am boss mob you can only get it over my cold dead body!
Born
Lets see, take any first person shooter game (basically PVP): Everyone IS equal other than the guy who just picked up the BFG or Redeemer.
Then look at Guild Wars PVP: Each person can have two classes with hundreds of skills to pick from and I would bet very few have the same weapons. Add in there is several types of armors to use.
All I see is alot of choices and no one is equal, anyone who actually played GW long enuff already knows and pointed it out here.
Then look at Guild Wars PVP: Each person can have two classes with hundreds of skills to pick from and I would bet very few have the same weapons. Add in there is several types of armors to use.
All I see is alot of choices and no one is equal, anyone who actually played GW long enuff already knows and pointed it out here.
Weezer_Blue
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Especially in pvp.
Ok lets do this out IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp? its like fighting your damn clone. the team that wins is the team with the better strat/monk Im not talking about uber weapons like 45-60 but ATLEAST a chance for a player who plays alot to work his way to refine/buy/find a weapon that has a little higher stats than others OMG HE HAS A 20-25 SWORD and i only have 18-24 I R DOOMED........ or HE HAS A SUP VIGOR AND HAS 40 MORE HEALTH THAN ME. wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy...... |
You sir, are a fool. You obviously want an uneven playing field so that you're sorry ass can get an advantage for hours played rather than your team strategy.
I've said all I need to. You're a dumbass, go play a game that will allow you to "p\/\/n n00ߧ" based on your level which happens to be higher than your social security code simply because you've played a thousand times longer. I think i'll stick to FPS games, and hopefully, if this patch works, Guild Wars, which are based on something called "skill". (I'm not saying I have a lot of skill, but at least I don't rely on arbitrary tasks to give me an advantage).
edit: lol. didn't realize someone else started their post with "you, sir". hehehe...
BigTru
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Especially in pvp.
Ok lets do this out IF everyone has the same armor (not the same looking armor but all the stats are within 5 points of each other) same stat weapons and same stat runes that how the hell is that a challenge in pvp? its like fighting your damn clone. the team that wins is the team with the better strat/monk Im not talking about uber weapons like 45-60 but ATLEAST a chance for a player who plays alot to work his way to refine/buy/find a weapon that has a little higher stats than others OMG HE HAS A 20-25 SWORD and i only have 18-24 I R DOOMED........ or HE HAS A SUP VIGOR AND HAS 40 MORE HEALTH THAN ME. wtf. If the game is suppose to be TOTALLY equal than whats the point in playing? You will be just as good as the next guy...... |
You have never played PvP, have you?
shady_knife
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Do you think you could beat Gary Kasparov in a game of chess? You both start with equal pieces, that means you're just as good as he is, right? |
Dreamsmith > you
Calimar
Guys... alt-f4 is the windows short key for closing window. If anyone was so fool to try it, "quick jump bug"... blah - good joke though
internopsp you the nail on the head. In GW, two characters with the same professions will by all likelyness be just the same in potential, the objects are common enough that you get to have the best without having to spend much time gaming.
You know what? I LOVE it. Means I don't have to spend 20 hours a day playing just to keep up with a 16 years old that has nothing to do. I'll spend my 2 hours a day and then thrash him because we're equal and it just takes skill and strategy. Or get thrashed, because he's faster, more skilled, better than I am. And you know what? I can't blame money, A.net, the game, unluck in drops, gameplay time, or whatever. I can blame only myself. SO cool!!
Just like in chess.
Oh, BTW, Kasparov is world chess champion and rated over 2600, I believe only Alekhin would've been rated more in Elo.
Calimar
internopsp you the nail on the head. In GW, two characters with the same professions will by all likelyness be just the same in potential, the objects are common enough that you get to have the best without having to spend much time gaming.
You know what? I LOVE it. Means I don't have to spend 20 hours a day playing just to keep up with a 16 years old that has nothing to do. I'll spend my 2 hours a day and then thrash him because we're equal and it just takes skill and strategy. Or get thrashed, because he's faster, more skilled, better than I am. And you know what? I can't blame money, A.net, the game, unluck in drops, gameplay time, or whatever. I can blame only myself. SO cool!!
Just like in chess.
Oh, BTW, Kasparov is world chess champion and rated over 2600, I believe only Alekhin would've been rated more in Elo.
Calimar
internopsp
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You have never played PvP, have you?
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FrogDevourer
Stop trolling please.