Was ANYBODY fooled by Vizier Khilbron?

nechronius

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Southern Cali

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29 Jun 2005 at 19:01 - 1
Seriously, when people complete Abaddon's Mouth and Vizier Khilbron's "betrayal" is revealed, was even a single person fooled into thinking that this sinister necro guy with white-blue eyes was anything other than a bad guy?

And frankly I don't think it's too much of a stretch to believe that he was the lich. As soon as I met that creepy bastard I said "yup. he's the lich."

The white mantle were a bit tougher to peg as being good or bad, but the lich... errr.. Khilbron, geez.

One guy who I was partied with and met Khilbron for the first Time said "yup, he's satan himself. gotta be a bad guy."

Auntie I

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29 Jun 2005 at 19:04 - 2
Actually I thought something similar the first time I saw him in the Sanctum Cay mission. Traitor from the White Mantle, likes the undead..... Highly suspicious!

Elena

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29 Jun 2005 at 19:06 - 3
lol yea when i saw him i though ok.. evil guy! :P

Shadow Aster

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29 Jun 2005 at 19:26 - 4
What are you talking about!? A nicer guy I have NEVER met. We hung out the whole trip to the Amnoon Oasis. We had a blast... shuffleboard, the climbing wall, drinking Pina Coladas on the Lido deck, and man can he play blackjack! I think the onboard casino was the most fun of all!

Zexion

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29 Jun 2005 at 19:26 - 5
Actually, first time the shought struck me was after Gates of Kryta.
Pretty obvious.
Especially if you've read the lore manual.
Scepter of Orr.
A man that "accidentally" blows up Orr.
Well, I was only 100% sure when I saw the Vizier anyways.

_Zexion

super dooper

super dooper

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29 Jun 2005 at 21:05 - 6
when I first saw him and hadn't read the manuscript I didn't think he was a bad guy, but when I found out that the advisor to the King of Orr or whatever was the one who blew up the place, I immediately knew it was him.

Black Forsaken

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SL

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29 Jun 2005 at 21:09 - 7
I thought it was pretty obvious. I mean in GW everyone who looks bad is bad and everyone who looks good is good. Vizier looks bad....no question. He looks like the evil guy from Aladdin.

pinoy474

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29 Jun 2005 at 21:14 - 8
yeah i thought it was kinda lame that it was pretty obvious Khilbron was the lich . . . the lich in the game said he would get it soon. And Khilbron did get it soon enough. I hope the next expansion would make the "boss baddie" unexpected. I really hate it when it's obvious.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

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29 Jun 2005 at 21:15 - 9
Lol! He does.

I was not surprised by him. Hablion surprised me. He seemed like a strong warrior in the cutscene, until he ran away from the undead in the swamp to be slain by the undead behind us.

I think the seer's people will come kill us all in the next chapter. They were merely waiting for the mursaat's defeat to move in on us themselves.

Bueno Star

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29 Jun 2005 at 21:17 - 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Forsaken
He looks like the evil guy from Aladdin. THATS why he looks familiar!!!!!!!!!
lmao. ive been trying to "place" him this whole time!

thanks.

Calnaion Blackhawk

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29 Jun 2005 at 21:21 - 11
i was fooled lol but shh

Dreamsmith

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29 Jun 2005 at 23:38 - 12
Yeah, my first thought during Sanctum Cay, when he calls up a bunch of undead to aide you was, "Err, our new ally commands the undead. Kryta has been suffering from a plague of undead. The undead really wanted the Scepter of Orr. Now we've just handed this guy the Scepter of Orr. Why do I feel uneasy about this?" lol

Mana Garmr

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30 Jun 2005 at 11:27 - 13
Yeah, it was a little werid alright. I remember the first time I finished the Riverside mission and saw the cut-scene where Saidra and Evennia tell you about their plan for the sceptre. I was just sitting there thinking "Ok, there's no way this is going to turn out well. He's gotta AT LEAST be in league with that lich guy."

Then I saw him in Sanctum Cay and couldn't believe I had no choice but to hand over the sceptre. I know my character hadn't seen the lich and so didn't have much reason to be suspicious but it was still annoying.

Raiddinn Beatdropper

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30 Jun 2005 at 12:04 - 14
When I got to the cut scene the first time I had the scepter in my possession, and after it I was like, why didnt I have the option to keep this or not? I dont want to give it to this dude....

Then immediately after that I was like... I err, disagree philosophically with allying with the undead...

Tsunamii Starshine

Ristaron

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Canada, eh?

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30 Jun 2005 at 15:12 - 15
I didn't care if he was a lich or not so long as he got me away from the White Mantle.
I'm still stuck on the goddamn Thunderhead Keep mission! Every single time my party's healers are incapable of keeping Ironhammer alive AND making sure the whole party doesn't die.
I have come to the very observant conclusion that King Jalis Ironhammer and Prince Rurik are counterparts. Both charge into battle trusting everybody else to protect them because they're royalty, both talk too much, and both are sadly supposed to live throughout the mission. *glare*
I liked Jalis in the NORTHERN Shiverpeaks, he was just a cool-talking Maffia dwarf who stayed in his fortress and didn't bother me aside from talking too much. Now I'm ready to kill him myself.



Oh, and I knew Khilbron was evil. I mean, he talks the same way the Lich did, was obsessed with the undead while he was supposed to be advisor to the King of Orr - a nation which protected the HOLY CITY of Arah, and he wanted the Sceptre of Orr, which we had recently stolen from a lich who was extremely like him.
2+2=4?

zemelett

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30 Jun 2005 at 15:29 - 16
You know when you write a story everyone cant be traitors. First the white mantle and then Khilbron, just plain unthoughtfull.

The Destroyer

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30 Jun 2005 at 17:44 - 17
Anyone stop to think the white mantle and mursatt are actually the good guys? Think about it they are trying the entire time to prevent the Lich from his goals and keep the doors of Komalie closed. Once the doors are opened the Lich can send his titan army in to destroy the world. So the people we have been fighting throuhg the last half of the game are the "good guys" The Lich totally used us all.

Sagius Truthbarron

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30 Jun 2005 at 18:55 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Destroyer
Anyone stop to think the white mantle and mursatt are actually the good guys? Think about it they are trying the entire time to prevent the Lich from his goals and keep the doors of Komalie closed. Once the doors are opened the Lich can send his titan army in to destroy the world. So the people we have been fighting throuhg the last half of the game are the "good guys" The Lich totally used us all. Exactly, but I think the attempt of killing all of those people just to make little "Seal Guards" was pretty stupid. They only had like 60 health

The undead Mesmer

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30 Jun 2005 at 20:37 - 19
yeah the vizier isnt bad he let me make friends with his little undead a smoke phantom ooh lord he has a great sence o humour

Sir Maddox

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30 Jun 2005 at 20:44 - 20
Well I don't think anybody will be now, considering the glaring spoilage in the title of this thread.

Aka

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01 Jul 2005 at 00:11 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamsmith
Yeah, my first thought during Sanctum Cay, when he calls up a bunch of undead to aide you was, "Err, our new ally commands the undead. Kryta has been suffering from a plague of undead. The undead really wanted the Scepter of Orr. Now we've just handed this guy the Scepter of Orr. Why do I feel uneasy about this?" lol My thoughts exactly. And the bit about how he destroyed that other continent.

But i have to hand it to the game for actually having one good bit in it, the fate of Rurik. That did actually catch me by surprise. One good twist is way more that most games pull off.

Disciple

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:06 - 22
To answer your question, no. Now, I have a question for you. Don't you think that this should have a big label saying "SPOILERS?"

dansamy

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01 Jul 2005 at 04:25 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ristaron
I didn't care if he was a lich or not so long as he got me away from the White Mantle.
I'm still stuck on the goddamn Thunderhead Keep mission! Every single time my party's healers are incapable of keeping Ironhammer alive AND making sure the whole party doesn't die.
I have come to the very observant conclusion that King Jalis Ironhammer and Prince Rurik are counterparts. Both charge into battle trusting everybody else to protect them because they're royalty, both talk too much, and both are sadly supposed to live throughout the mission. *glare*
I liked Jalis in the NORTHERN Shiverpeaks, he was just a cool-talking Maffia dwarf who stayed in his fortress and didn't bother me aside from talking too much. Now I'm ready to kill him myself.



Oh, and I knew Khilbron was evil. I mean, he talks the same way the Lich did, was obsessed with the undead while he was supposed to be advisor to the King of Orr - a nation which protected the HOLY CITY of Arah, and he wanted the Sceptre of Orr, which we had recently stolen from a lich who was extremely like him.
2+2=4?
It's not up to your party's healers to keep King Ironhammer alive. It's up to your party's tanks and damage dealers to keep the enemies away from the king. It is the monk's job to keep the party healthy enough to fight them off, and a good necro will make sure your high damage casters have enough blue juice to keep going with relatively little time to regenerate. I have done the mission 3x now and been successful every time.

nechronius

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01 Jul 2005 at 05:27 - 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Maddox
Well I don't think anybody will be now, considering the glaring spoilage in the title of this thread. Find me a person who is fooled by Vizier Khilbron and I will show you someone who doesn't know how to operate a computer.

Fooled could have meant anything. The title clearly states what it's about and anybody who clicks on hte thread will know what they're getting into.

This is the spoilers section. Click on a thread and expect to have your wildest answers revealed.

Dreamsmith

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01 Jul 2005 at 12:12 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Disciple
To answer your question, no. Now, I have a question for you. Don't you think that this should have a big label saying "SPOILERS?"
Notice the sticky at the top of this forum titled, "What happens when you leave the refridgerator open? SPOILAGE"

No thread in this forum needs to be specifically labeled as such, since all threads in this forum are expected to contain spoilers. "Tyrian Explorers' League" is one big spoiler zone. If the sticky isn't enough, it's also in the forum description:
Quote:
Share the details in the historical record for the ellucidation of all. Quest, Mission, and Exploration Discussion. Warning: Here be spoilers. If you don't want spoilers, you shouldn't be in here.

thaumaturge

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Mo/Me

01 Jul 2005 at 12:42 - 26
Well I was led to believe that he was bad by another player, kinda spoiled it

Kashrlyyk

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01 Jul 2005 at 13:40 - 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Forsaken
I thought it was pretty obvious. I mean in GW everyone who looks bad is bad and everyone who looks good is good. Vizier looks bad....no question. He looks like the evil guy from Aladdin. That is the reason I wouldn´t have been surprised if I didn´t read it here!

I was surprised that he actually didn´t betrayed me in Sanctum Cay!

The title shouldn´t have a spoiler since you can see it, when browsing the forums, deciding where you want to go to read!

RMThompson

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01 Jul 2005 at 13:59 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bueno Star
THATS why he looks familiar!!!!!!!!!
lmao. ive been trying to "place" him this whole time!

thanks.
Actually,

Vizier Kihlbron is the dead version of Craig Kilborn, the ousted host of the Late Late Show. He came back from the future after he died and somehow ended up in Sanctum Cay...

Why do you think you hear that "Play that Funky Music White Boy" whenever he is in a cutscene...

DUH!

Hell Marauder

Krytan Explorer

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02 Jul 2005 at 20:06 - 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Aster
What are you talking about!? A nicer guy I have NEVER met. We hung out the whole trip to the Amnoon Oasis. We had a blast... shuffleboard, the climbing wall, drinking Pina Coladas on the Lido deck, and man can he play blackjack! I think the onboard casino was the most fun of all! Lol, I second that. Without his being our friend, we wouldn't have chance to go to places we never went (desert/fire island), kill creatures whom we never met. He is our tour guide in a way. With him gone, our tour ends and no more new towns to visit. Oh, how I miss him....

tomcruisejr

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03 Jul 2005 at 02:55 - 30
he is still the most powerful mage/necromancer in all of tyria.

/kneel Vizier Khilbron

~by a secondary necro

i didnt think bout him as being bad or good during the course of the preascension missions. i just wanna get pass the mantles and go to the higher maps

:P

Lord SuperVillain

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21 Jul 2005 at 20:58 - 31
It was obvious... they left so many hints, like that king in ascalon, he hates the white mantal because they "evil". That vizier summons undead (how obvious). I think everyone knew white mantle were evil anyway, just look at them lol.

Digitalblast

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22 Jul 2005 at 02:28 - 32
I had the septor when we were suppose to give it to Khilbron, im like "nuh uh" to my party members, he wants it too bad and he looks evil. I ran away from my party with sprint cause all my party wanted me to give it to him way too eagerly as well. I said they were all evil and in cahoots with Khilbron.

After i sprinted i found a nice secluded area and dropped it in the ocean! not even Khilbron himself would be able to get it. How do you like that, GAME OVER mutha fooker! I win, ha!

It was then I new my party members were all evil as well. Cause they started cursing the hell outta me and quitting, probably trying to find another sucker that will give it to them.

ha!

Sanity

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22 Jul 2005 at 02:51 - 33
If it's a spoiler why don't you just put like an "alert" icon?

Speedy

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22 Jul 2005 at 03:43 - 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digitalblast
I had the septor when we were suppose to give it to Khilbron, im like "nuh uh" to my party members, he wants it too bad and he looks evil. I ran away from my party with sprint cause all my party wanted me to give it to him way too eagerly as well. I said they were all evil and in cahoots with Khilbron.

After i sprinted i found a nice secluded area and dropped it in the ocean! not even Khilbron himself would be able to get it. How do you like that, GAME OVER mutha fooker! I win, ha!

It was then I new my party members were all evil as well. Cause they started cursing the hell outta me and quitting, probably trying to find another sucker that will give it to them.

ha! ROFL! Haha this post made my day.

@Lord SuperVillain: Actually the white mantle/mursaat were good guys, not evil people with bad intentions. :P Although they did murder tons of innocent people..

Digitalblast

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22 Jul 2005 at 15:00 - 35
thanks, ill be here all week.

d4nowar

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Mo/

22 Jul 2005 at 20:00 - 36
It tricked me...

I beat Sanctum Cay about 30 times over the betas, and I got used to seeing him help me onto the boat every time.

I was a little suspicious when Khilbron and the the dwarf (forgot the name...) walked away from the portal after Thunderhead Keep, then IMMEDIATELY switched to Khilbron and Undead Rurik walking into it. I guess it kind of gave it away for me there.

Jeramyu

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22 Jul 2005 at 23:37 - 37
Well, at the end of Thunderhead Keep, you listen to Vizier Khilbron talk for a while, then it cuts to the Lich walking into the portal. The only problem is it's incredibly obvious THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME VOICE.

kirkmping

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24 Jul 2005 at 03:38 - 38
wow i never noticed... I guess im the fool that the surprise was supposed to appeal to

Crispie

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26 Jul 2005 at 16:50 - 39
I was shocked. Maybe its because I dont run sound usually, so I didnt hear him? Or whatever, but I was very fooled.

jdwoody

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Austin

26 Jul 2005 at 17:17 - 40
I wasn't fooled but after we found out his plan I did map back to Lion's Arch to tell the people there I was sorry, but I accidentally sent some titans to Lion's Arch to kill them all. Noone laughed...