Ur idea of best PVP primary and secondary classes.
hawaiiguy14
Well for the past 2 weeks ive been changing my PVP char over and over again cuz im jus not satisfied. I can't get the right primary and secondary to go together to form a great PVP char. Can anyone give me some ideas for a really good pvp character? Ty.
ICURADik
R/Mes Mo/mes W/mes... seeing a trend?
theclam
It would help if you would tell us what role you want to play. A mesmer is very different than a monk, for example. What would you rather be? Damage, anti-caster, anti-melee, healing, support, or something else?
Squallox
In my opinion there is no best and worst. Every build has its advantages in a given situation. Just need someone with half a brain playing that build.
ComMan
Play a pure Monk. Please...there need to be more of them.
funbun
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Originally Posted by ComMan
Play a pure Monk. Please...there need to be more of them.
Go start one. Everyone wants a monk but no one wants to play one. I got tired of not having enough Mesmers so I started a Mesmer.
Go start one. Everyone wants a monk but no one wants to play one. I got tired of not having enough Mesmers so I started a Mesmer.
Winterclaw
I'm playing a mesmer that heals so there, everyone is happy. :P
βlitzkrieg
:lol:
I play a shutdown mesmer, but if you want to play a monk, play one. Healing preferrably, though protection are ok.
Good luck
I play a shutdown mesmer, but if you want to play a monk, play one. Healing preferrably, though protection are ok.
Good luck
Thom
This is like walking into a bar and asking the bartender what you should do with your life. Be a doctor or a lawyer, there is good money there...
To the point, if you haven't spent some time on a pure monk start now; you can always drop it. Play a mesmer(or ranger) and focus simply on shutting down your opponent. Try an elementalist (air) or a hammer/earth knockdown ranger if you really want to do damage. Don't try to be creative, but look at what your opponents are running and go with that. Also look at what people are complaining about (w/mo and rangers in Pugs) and avoid them since groups are having issues with them at the moment.
If things aren't going well, don't try to reinvent the wheel. Use some of the posted builds that work and watch what people are doing and react.
To the point, if you haven't spent some time on a pure monk start now; you can always drop it. Play a mesmer(or ranger) and focus simply on shutting down your opponent. Try an elementalist (air) or a hammer/earth knockdown ranger if you really want to do damage. Don't try to be creative, but look at what your opponents are running and go with that. Also look at what people are complaining about (w/mo and rangers in Pugs) and avoid them since groups are having issues with them at the moment.
If things aren't going well, don't try to reinvent the wheel. Use some of the posted builds that work and watch what people are doing and react.
Morganas
Trying to make a square wheel that works as well as a round one is half the fun. Make your own builds, usually skill synergy is very obvious if you're looking for it.
And who has issues with rangers in PUGs? Even the new ones seem to be able to pick up the class quickly.
And who has issues with rangers in PUGs? Even the new ones seem to be able to pick up the class quickly.
younggun87
Yes, there is a growing number of secondary mesmers.
I started a Blood/Curses Necro with secondary Mesmer.
I concentrated on backfiring at warriors who aim for soft targets. -> Deadly towards high hitting warriors.
I started a Blood/Curses Necro with secondary Mesmer.
I concentrated on backfiring at warriors who aim for soft targets. -> Deadly towards high hitting warriors.
Myodato
Well, we all know there is no 'best', but the ones I would call best are;
Primary - Monk, because (almost) every team needs at least one.
Secondary - Mesmer, because it's the best class for focusing and enhancing the abilities of any pure-style primary.
Of course, this doesn't mean that Mo/Me is the 'best' class
Primary - Monk, because (almost) every team needs at least one.
Secondary - Mesmer, because it's the best class for focusing and enhancing the abilities of any pure-style primary.
Of course, this doesn't mean that Mo/Me is the 'best' class
Shamblemonkee
Backfire on a warrior? :-s que?
Don't you mean Empathy?
Don't you mean Empathy?
Squallox
Maybe its a W/E 
funbun
Elmo: Earth Magic and Protection Prayers make them the best tank in the game.
Enigmatics
Guy probably means empathy... As pvp goes, pvp premade builds suck monkey. If you're planning on using one, find a better build -then you may have more success. Tons of builds in this board, my favorite so far would be the cookie cutter air ele build. Providing you manage your energy, you can kill a monk in 8 seconds with warrior help.
scott silverblade
there is absolutely no best and worst. Every character has a counter, and every build is beatable. That is the great thing about this game. As for some of the suggestions above... R/Me : (. W/Me : ( - not great mixes. Mesmer is a great profession because of its diversity. I dont like it with ranger at all, and not as a secondary for warrior. Illusionary weaponry characters are great, but you would go mesmer primary, not secondary. Basically you will never find just 1 character that dominates (thankfully). It is all about the build and trends. Bet you were one of those guys who had a warrior monk 2 months ago, and an air ele last month. Now you're working on a ranger. Most people follow the trends in this manner. If you wanna spend some good quality time in the HoH, set the trend, dont follow. The good ole Hammer/Earth warrior is always a great pick however. Those guys can do some good solid damage along with various interupts. If you just like being asked to join any old team then be a monk. Everybody needs a monk. But basically, there is no real best or worst. It all depends on what you need in a build.
Enigmatics
Yeah secondary mesmer ruins the point of illusionary weaponry -damage.
ComMan
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Originally Posted by funbun
Go start one. Everyone wants a monk but no one wants to play one. I got tired of not having enough Mesmers so I started a Mesmer.
I've got a monk, thank you very much.
Morganas
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Originally Posted by Enigmatics
Yeah secondary mesmer ruins the point of illusionary weaponry -damage.
Can you name a single reason why it would be better to go mes/r intsead of r/mes for an illusionary weapons build? What could possibly outweigh the awesome ranger armor and access to expertise stances? (fast casting is pointless for IW)
Can you name a single reason why it would be better to go mes/r intsead of r/mes for an illusionary weapons build? What could possibly outweigh the awesome ranger armor and access to expertise stances? (fast casting is pointless for IW)
Enigmatics
K, warrior/mesmer: casts illusionary weap once. Hacks away, runs out of the enchantment -can't do damage without higher level swordsmanship AND strength, which is a waste since illusionary weaponry renders armor penetration useless. Even if you have an enchantment mod, you can't recast illusionary weapon with ease due to warriors' low energy. Mesmer/warriors can debuff/weaken enemies before they charge in, casting phantom pain+shatter delusions for a quick deep wound, then conjure phantasm, a few wastrel's worries, and attacking with gusto. The only useful skills for warrior that illusionary weaponists use is: flurry, disrupting chop/blow. As for fast casting, you can at least tap their energy faster.
ICURADik
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Originally Posted by scott silverblade
R/Me : (. W/Me : ( - not great mixes. Mesmer is a great profession because of its diversity. I dont like it with ranger at all, and not as a secondary for warrior. Illusionary weaponry characters are great, but you would go mesmer primary, not secondary. Basically you will never find just 1 character that dominates (thankfully). It is all about the build and trends. Bet you were one of those guys who had a warrior monk 2 months ago, and an air ele last month. Now you're working on a ranger. Most people follow the trends in this manner.
I assume you were refering to me... Quotes are a useful tool.
There are many, many things a warrior can do with Mes secondary besides using illusionary weaponry. It is much more useful than something like monk.
As for Ranger/Mes... I'm suprised you've never heard of echo. Echo+Debil is 80 energy drained from your target in 20 seconds.
Skills Like Blackout, Echo, Mind Wrack, Hex Breaker, Drain Enchantment, Energy Drain, Energy Tap, Ether Feast, Spirit Shackles, Arcane Mimicry, and many more are all extremely useful and extremely cheap spells.
There are many, many things a warrior can do with Mes secondary besides using illusionary weaponry. It is much more useful than something like monk.
As for Ranger/Mes... I'm suprised you've never heard of echo. Echo+Debil is 80 energy drained from your target in 20 seconds.
Skills Like Blackout, Echo, Mind Wrack, Hex Breaker, Drain Enchantment, Energy Drain, Energy Tap, Ether Feast, Spirit Shackles, Arcane Mimicry, and many more are all extremely useful and extremely cheap spells.
Morganas
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Originally Posted by Enigmatics
K, warrior/mesmer: casts illusionary weap once. Hacks away, runs out of the enchantment -can't do damage without higher level swordsmanship AND strength, which is a waste since illusionary weaponry renders armor penetration useless. Even if you have an enchantment mod, you can't recast illusionary weapon with ease due to warriors' low energy. Mesmer/warriors can debuff/weaken enemies before they charge in, casting phantom pain+shatter enchmantment, then conjure phantasm, a few wastrel's worries, and attacking with gusto. The only useful skills for warrior that illusionary weaponists use is: flurry, disrupting chop/blow. As for fast casting, you can at least tap their energy faster.
I only mentioned ranger/mes, who don't have mana problems and have plenty of good support abilities to function effectively without weapon (though you don't need anything else if you have echo and buffer enchants). Once again, any reason one should take mes primary over ranger primary? I've tried both, and the mes primary will get nuked into oblivion by the other teams eles, and you have to blow your mana trying to survive against warriors with distortion. Ranger stances are much better.
TheBigStunna
ranger/mesmer, this class goes together like spegetti and lambchops
Enigmatics
Mmm... I'm not sure, I know you'd do more damage with a mesmer/warrior, due do 50% more damage with flurry. thats drastic, you'll be doing 300 damage instead of 200 damage in the same amount of time. As for stances, the only one I need is distortion.
Morganas
Flurry is a stance, you cannot use it and distortion at the same time. And my point about distortion is that it negates the entire advantage of going mesmer primary, more energy, not to mention the fact that if you're mesmer primary your bound to be a primary target, heck, I have a hard enough time in the backlines with both distortion and illusion of haste to keep me alive. I've never had such problems with a ranger primary, even the illusionary weapon ones.
Given, a mes/warrior would deal more damage. If there's something I'm missing to survive, I'd like to know, as I've always wanted to be a frontline mes primary who can survive. It'd be a great decoy.
Given, a mes/warrior would deal more damage. If there's something I'm missing to survive, I'd like to know, as I've always wanted to be a frontline mes primary who can survive. It'd be a great decoy.
iNTEL8o8
war/ele. i made one with earth magic and i buffed myself up and it was straight up awsome.
funbun
Yeah that may be the best tank in the game. Ele/Mo maybe just as good or better. Earth magic and Protection prayers.