Is it that bad to be a low lvl character?

I've been playing a while now, and I still don't have every aspect of the game licked. So I ask questions. I have one character in the lava place bottom left of the map, and one I'm building for farming (tired of being broke). Yes I paid someone to do the Droknar's Forge run for my mo/w, and once I got there bought my new armor, obviously, and then grabbed henchies and walked my happy butt to Ice Caves of Sorrow and did it's mission so I could get to Iron Mines of Moladune. Once there I went to Copper Hammer Mines, still trucking along with the henchies, and then moved on to The Granite Citadel. Once there, I had asked this guy who was letting monks know that there was 2 spots left, and that he was heading out, I had sent him a whisper asking him, "Is the monk guy in Mineral Springs usually in a certain spot or area you might be able to point me to?" and then he answered "You a monk?" which I replied with "Yes, I'm a lvl 13 monk, I'm wanting to head out there with henchies to get my Shield of Judgment spell." Well, he then cut off all convo. Never replied again.

Ok, I understand why ppl don't like low lvl char. getting ran to Droknar’s Forge, but I've done it the long way with my main. I did the work at lvl 13 to get my spell, which I would like to say was easy as heck. I dunno why, but I had a much harder time with my N/Mo (after ascension).

But that's just it. Why is there an over abundant amount of jerks developing in this game? So many internet tough guys. Are they nerds that get beat up in school a lot so they act all tough on the net cause of anonymity protection? Well, that's just my gripe. I'm sure it'll get flamed, but I thought I'd just ask/express my opinion.

Be safe and good hunting everyone!

I don't really agree with what you did and I personally wouldn't have grouped you, but I would have told you where to go.

That just about sums up the user base of most internet message boards...

I hate to say it, Thalious, but there are preconceptions out there regarding low-level characters in high-level areas. That your guild just paid your way and you rode others' coattails, and that you may just not know how to play the game effectively as a result and might make a terrible team member.

How should this guy know that you already have ascended characters?

I personally have more prejudice against a lvl 20 in an easy area, than I do against a lvl 10 in a hard area. But I will not (yet--but I am not very far in the game) reject anyone from a team based on level alone, nor will I rudely cut off conversation with no explanation.

No no bro. I think you got me wrong, I only paid to get there (Droknar's Forge), the rest I did solo with henchies... well guess that's not solo. Wasn't grouped with anyone. So I did all the work on my own, no help from "real people". Just the fact ppl are rude and assume the negative all the time is what bugs me. I didn't ask him to group, just where. I meam I knew the area, just not if he popped up on top or bottom know what I mean?

i could care less if they are a low in high area or high in a low area. As long as they have fun. I had a lvl 13 monk for the thunderhead mission, he was a good healer so he did his job, all u can ask for. if he did not do good then yes, he would have been flamed. I and some other had to res him a few times but not like i thought we would.

On a funny note....I was using a mesmer at a lvl 10 area, nobody wanted me so i had my lvl 20 guild mate join me. We all know how hard it is to find monks when u form a group so for fun i put "starting group, lvl 20 warrior already in!" I was hit up with like 8 ppl instantly ... all monks while everyone else was like PLEASE!!! JUST ONE MONK PLEASE!!!!!!

I recall owning people in droknars with level 14 illusion magic and illusionary weapon at level 15. No, it's not necessary, and no one'll want you in their party. And one other thing -you have to finish ascension to do the missions in the southern shiverpeaks.

people have all the reason in the world to not want to roll with a low lvl player in a high level mission/quest/arena battle. I dont have all the time in the world to play so im not going to waste any in parties that appear they wont do good. Sure some low level player may be smart and all and can actually make contributions without being a liability but i rather not take a chance and waste time trying. It has nothing to do with thinking you are "so cool" because you're a lvl20 and the other guy is a lvl15.

Game developers could have removed this shortcut for low level players but they didn't.

You should follow the story, never go from Beacon's Perch, that's just a stupid idea. I don't think it's really strange they don't invite you. I mean, a lvl 13 is simply way to low for those parts, they're almost useless when they're not highly skilled actually So I totally agree with the guy not inviting you.

That, but if you're a me/wa and you desperately need illusionary weaponry, you're allowed. I absolve you.

I would never invite a lvl13 Monk in a high level area. You have, what, 75 attribute points? That's enough to get 8 Healing/8 Divine Favor. You'll also have more than 100 fewer points of health than a lvl20 Monk. Even if you were tremendously skilled, you'd still only have just over half the healing power of a lvl20 Monk. I wouldn't want you in my party when I could have a better Monk. Still, if there wasn't anyone to take your spot, I'd let you in.

If you hang out in Elona Reach for 5 minutes, you will see this: People who are anal about having a group of all level 20's. Frankly, if you're 18+, you shouldn't have that many problems. Sure, your attributes might not be where you want them to be, but it's a minor difference that can be overlooked. I'd rather have an intelligent party of level 18's than a "im l33ter than j00" party of level 20's, especially for any of the Ascension stuff.

hehe that's just it, I wasn't asking for an invite. I was doing it with henchies. My grief is ppl even stop talking to you when they find out you're a low lvl in a high place.

and I agree.. ppl should follow the story first. once you put your time in you can skip however you please... which is what I did. I did the story with my first char. now I'm working on a farmer so I can make money and get a guild hall finally... (wife won't stop bugging me about one)

I dont care if people want to go that route, With my second char I just went through doing all the missions to get to ascension to get to lvl 20 quickly. In Sanctum cay at lvl 16 it was nearly impossible to find a group.

But I dont like taking low level people in the later areas of the game for the simple fact of their low number of attribute points.

Don't be too quick to judge, who knows? He might have 2 sup monk runes

I bought 2 recently for my monk, and while he is darned weak HP wise now, his healing really rocks the boat!

Truth is, most people don't like seeing people of low levels in those later areas of the game.
They either feel jealous that you got there so much faster than them, or they think that because you've been rushed there you won't know how to play the game properly, or you're more interested in getting high level stuff to give you an advantage in the low level arenas than actually playing the game.
It's not necessarily true, but that's what people tend to think.

Even with droknor armor on, a low lvl character is still more a liability than help. You have fewer hp, and do less damage. Now you may have mature playing style, but your contribution is still less than a high lvl character. I have tried to allow low lvl chars into my group, but result is almost universally the same: when things get tough, low lvl chars die first and put out of action. So it is still preferable for you to find someplace to level up or buying one of those scrolls to increase your xps.

I actually went to fissure with two level 18's, one warrio and one monk. After a couple quests they were both level 20 =P

mineral spring is very hard place IMO, harder than Dreadnought's Drift. If you try to do it @ lvl 13 with henches... You are in for a long night. He probably thought you were a newbie and ignored you since your lvl 13. Personally, I wouldnt group with low lvl ppl in high lvl area because 99% time they are too weak to be of any use.

I would not have grouped you because I probably wouldn't have the faith that you could pull your weight as part of a team. I do realize that being low level or high level is completely seperate from being a contributor and a parasite. I wouldn't have grouped with you, but I certainly would have answered your questions and not been rude.

Perhaps, as has been said, there is the immediate connotation that you're free-riding.

On my last character (Me/Mo) I finished the game with lvl 15. And I don't really think I was a liability to any team I was in. I never had more than 15% death penalty, and in most missions I had none. When I started at Droknar's I was lvl 11, from there on continued with henchies only, until Thunderhead Keep and to all outposts in the Southern Shiverpeaks. Thunderhead Keep was the first mission I did with other players, and from then on I always found a team that wasn't prejudiced to not take a 'low-lvl'. Although there were the inevitable "kick blabla, he's only lvl 15" when someone new joined the team. Luckily, no one ever kicked me, and some openly said they would rather kick the new lvl 20 than me. And I doubt they would have said something like that, if I were just some dead log they had to carry with them.

That said, before I started my last character I finished the game with 3 other chars - the more or less usual way, ascending at lvl 19, 17 and 16. I know almost all of the missions extremely well, and in most parts it's really tactics, much more than sheer power, that get's you through the tricky parts. This makes a low-lvl character more viable to those that didn't finish the game already (and there are still lots of them), and if I were low-lvl, I would have a look-out for groups that need some direction

with 2 sup monk runes, he would have like 100 hp. Dead 1 shot against avicaras and avicaras always aim for the weakest in sight

not a bad idea but not a good one either. Being a low character would mean that you either constantly died from being rushed upon by huge group of monsters. Or you have to team up with high level character to make it through missions or quests.
Also if a low level person make it to a guild with high level character than its up to the guildmates to make that character ready for pvp and help him/her out with tough quests or missions.

In short... low level character is not a good thing in GW since later on in the game where your in Underworld or ring of fire, you need to be high level with good equipments to survive there.

Lol. I think It's funny seeing low levels at higher parts of the game. The Only reason I "rush" (I walk from asclon to yak, mission to coast, bettletun, bergean, ages, fishmeans and mission from kay onwards) is so i can get to the forge armour sooner and grab the skills I want to have some fun with. I've only done this with one of my characters (I can't see doing the desert first time at lvl 14!) and I don't see the harm in it. It's a bit of a nice variation on the usualy way to do the game. i like that the option is there.
However I wouldn't group with a lvl 14 at thunderheap or further in. These missions are ahrd and you need every advantage you could get. 18+ sure but 14? No thanks.

The best low level character is my lvl 8 monk. He tanks FoW and UW all the time without dieing. He has only 10 health. HE IS INVINCIBLE.

I only run him with friends and guildes but he still is the best tank that I know of. I have 12 in Protection (Superior rune and the head piece and 8 points) and 11 in Healing (8 points and a Superior Rune). All I have to do is cast Protective spirit and mending on me. I take 1 damage per hit but heal faster than I can be hurt. All I have to do is cast mending about every 50 seconds. I replaced the tank for my guilds runes into both FoW and UW with this dude. We play with 2 other monks both with a maxed spellbreaker to stop my enchants from being stripped away also.

Now on topic. I would have told you were to go but wouldn't have grouped with you unless you were a friend or a guilde.

dude doing the droks run is just dumb

in areas after droks I will not party with a non ascended character. They are usually all noobs and overwork the healers.

Plus, you realize that you are missing 30 attribute points?
30 att makes a hell of a lot of difference.

I have nothing against people running (well, being run) to Droknar's, but I do object to people then expecting other people to compensate for them having done so. The person you were speaking to was under no obligation to group with you. He sees a lvl 13 char asking to join on a capture trip, he's going to assume you're a freeloader. It doesn't matter whether you are or not, there's no reason for him to take the risk. You are as likely to be a liability as an asset, so I don't see why he should waste any time on you.

You seem concerned that there are jerks in this game, and you're probably right. Unfortunately this means people already have avoiding jerks to worry about before they would even consider taking on a low level char. Chances are every pug will have somebody you would rather have done without. Picking someone of such greatly lower level is just setting yourself up to lose.

Ok, just stopping talking is a little abrupt, but he didn't start mouthing off at you or making accusations, he just made a decision to not play with you - one he is perfectly within his rights to do. If you want to be treated equally, then go put the work in and level up. It's not hard, especially with 60 AL armour.

Actually, I've little against low level character. I've grouped with a lvl 16 Guildmate in UW. Don't ask me to risk ruining my playing time for somebody I know nothing about though.

The OP stated that he didn't want to join the group he just wanted to know what the boss monsters location was in mineral springs.

Most people ran to droknars simply want the armor and a few elite caps to ease the journey through ascension.

Ya, that's all i did it for, to get the armor. I think everyone still misunderstands my post. I'm only aggravated about the guy not talking to me because I was low lvl. I didn't want to group with anyone. I was planning on doing it with henchies. And when I did it with henchies, I got my elite power on my first run. I had to take out a few boss baddies but still got it. I dunno why it was easier this time then with my last character. Thank you guys for all your replies. appreciate them

I don't mind people running their low level characters to Droknars for skills and equipment as long as they don't go there to beg. If you made enough money to pay for a run, you can certainly do it again.

Most folks who run have already beat the game several times over and just want to speed up the process the third and fourth time over. If you're new to the game and run your character to Droknars, you deserve all the scorn you get.

Unfortunately, I have the opposite problem. I was level 10 in Pre-Searing and everyone was accusing me of using hacks to get to such a high level.

That is funny, because it is so easy to make it to 10 in presearing! I think I left at lvl 9 or 10 on each character.