So this is what it has come to? Pathetic.

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Crimson Eyes
Frost Gate Guardian
#1
everyone knows that the rivals of europe, america and korea all hav a lot to say about one another but today i heard a comment from an american team which i thought was disgusting and that the person shud have his IP banned and his product code become void.

i wish i had of taken a screen shot of proof or atleast remembered the name, but i vaguley remember the guilds name was 'I *sumthing* I' and it will come to me once i see that guilds name again.

it was a europe team (my team) vs an american guild team.
everyone knows b4 a pvp battle in underworld or wherever the teams taunt each other etc.

but then this comment was put out by one of the opposing party members;

"hope some of your family died is WW2 :P"

so this sorta thing is OK? this is acceptable?
Rayea
Rayea
Wilds Pathfinder
#2
to the person saying it, totally acceptable, ether cause they are joking (yup, prety sick sence of humour then) or because they see it as the Ahem,normal part of their PvP routine.

to the rest of us, those who have lost friends and relitives in WW2 or any war or conflict, and anyone else with even a shred of concienc or deciensy..no, slap him silly and make him eat broccoly is to good

(sorry about my spelling, but you get my meaning i hope....)
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Vwoss
Frost Gate Guardian
#3
Did you win?
Itbegins
Itbegins
Frost Gate Guardian
#4
lol for this guy to say this he has to be like 14 years old just now learning about WW2 in history dont pay attention to any flame from the opposing team i dont think wishing death upon ones family once is punishable. if he cursed or did it repeadtly(harass), or talked about your ethnictiy then yes he could get banned but seriously dont let a little kid with no pubic hair upset you.
Spooky
Spooky
Bokusatsu Tenshi
#5
Well... that's a pretty crass thing for someone to say, and i'm sorry you had the misfortune of running into people who think that kind of thing is somehow funny, or even acceptable.

I don't know if the 'book is closed' on the WaW issue, but I know it is one that has been brought up many, many times.. and may still be an issue under observation.. but I can't help but to feel that we would all be better off if we could segregate ourselves out based on in-game factions, not real world domains.
Rayea
Rayea
Wilds Pathfinder
#6
<agrees with spooky>
yeah, i prefer fictional countries
or how about time-zone....that would put them off those types of comments, how cn you make a great insult out of the fact that your so many hours behind or befor your opponents server?
JoDiamonds
JoDiamonds
Wilds Pathfinder
#7
That's obviously not cool, and really could only have been said by someone who is either pretty unbalanced, or has never lost anyone they've loved.

Competition is one thing, but trying to actually cause emotional pain to other players just isn't.
ManadartheHealer
ManadartheHealer
Desert Nomad
#8
This person was obviously a child, because any educated, decent person wouldn't say any such thing. They obviously do not know the horrors of war.
Kha
Kha
Sins FTW!
#9
One reason I don't do PvP anymore. I got tired of all the racist comments being thrown around. It's bad enough I hear plenty just doing missions (I've even had teammates leave because of it). It happens in many online games, but I don't think the WaW system is helping the situation. People tend to make competition an excuse to be assholes.

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Originally Posted by Spooky
I don't know if the 'book is closed' on the WaW issue, but I know it is one that has been brought up many, many times.. and may still be an issue under observation.. but I can't help but to feel that we would all be better off if we could segregate ourselves out based on in-game factions, not real world domains.
I couldn't agree more. I still think the best way to make the WaW system work is to have the "worlds" be based on game races and not real life. Have it be humans VS. charr VS. dwarves or something. I know it's not something they can do now since you can only be humans, but it would make sense if they ever introduce other races.

Companies should promote positive interaction between countries and different people, not segregate them. WaW wasn't well thought out IMHO.
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Drakron
Krytan Explorer
#10
WaW is a failed concept, I made a extensive post about its effect on PvE maps.

From what I seen WoW was trying to mimic some of the aspects of DaoC expect that DaoC realms were not directly connected to real world regions.

What ArenaNet did was simply asking for trouble, people like their neck of the woods and after millenia of infighting of human fractions were are like that, even without real world names in the servers it would be issues with WaW implementation ... humans simply are like that.

Thing is WaW have no choice of positive evolution because its already implemented, they cannot just remake the severs and create a entire new system ... only choice is either remove it or reduce its impact on the gameworld were it on itself is poinless.

If in tombs the sever region was not displayed it would reduce the insults, also if favor was not connected to the gods showing up people would have less of a chance to think "damn those koreans","damn those europeans" or "damn those americans" since they have less of a reason to be pissed off because they cannot adventure in Tombs or Fissure.
Andy_M
Andy_M
Wilds Pathfinder
#11
I agree completely, it's a failed concept. Don't think it's going to go anywhere though, if anything they are increasing the effect on PvE so as to have certain missions unlockable only when that area (wont bother to call it faction) has favour.

Oh, and to the original poster, whoever said that to you has got to be a kid.
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Aernok
Academy Page
#12
When I played WoW someone got suspended 3 days for calling someone else gay.

Since ArenaNet thus far has been ten times better at everything than Blizzard I would say they'd give the guy at least a warning if you had taken a screenshot and sent it in to them.

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(j) In Guild Wars, characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called 'Chat Messages.' With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated 'spamming,' or 'flooding' of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character’s ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.
This is what's written in the EULA related to this. I'm sure NC would "determine" this to be inappropriate.

Edit:
Also the Rules of Conduct.

Specifically:
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You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.
Ensign
Ensign
Just Plain Fluffy
#13
Try turning off local chat. Makes the game much more pleasant.

Peace,
-CxE
JoDiamonds
JoDiamonds
Wilds Pathfinder
#14
It's still possible to back up from the whole "three realms" deal. Sure, they probably are going to need to keep servers in separate locations, but the in-game tie-ins don't have to be nearly as strong as they are. The whole Fissure of Woe and different realms fighting for control could be taken out easily and replaced with something else.

People in Europe would still be mostly stuck playing with other Europeans, like it is now (being mindful that international districts do exist), but it wouldn't have to be A Big Deal.
Sledge
Sledge
Academy Page
#15
Comments like what you got is a great reason to make WaW battle chat team only. Like in World of Warcraft and Dark Age of Camelot how opposing factions can't chat to each other.

Make it so WaW teams can only talk to each other, or only hear themselves in general chat.

Comments like that are truly from the mind of an ignorant person with no sense of taste or tact. A person who may not know better(we can hope can't we), or some immature ass who feels that if they can't win they need to insult a person instead of accepting thier own shortcomings(a sore loser) or a really bad winner.

If removing the WaW system as it is fixes it then good. If they can fix it and leave the system mostly intact even better.
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Tigris Of Gaul
Wilds Pathfinder
#16
Everywhere except LA it's only guild and team chat. In LA, trade channel's active. I might occasionally turn on Local in Tombs or something, but that's when I'm prepared for the worst.
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Crimson Eyes
Frost Gate Guardian
#17
Yes for the record we beat them.
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Eonwe
Jungle Guide
#18
I agree that it isn't something nice to say, but please don't come post it on the forums. There are enough bad topics on guru as it is.
Sekkira
Sekkira
Forge Runner
#19
I really don't think that will solve anything getting Arenanet to change the WaW system. I mean seriously, these people are assholes and always have been before GW. And it wasn't games that made them that way either. It's the predjudice they've been brought up with. You could blame society, but parents shouldn't let their children be brought up by society. You could blame the parents, but ultimately, these people have a mind of their own. They DO know the difference between right and wrong.

Do we arrest the parents when a child becomes a killer later in life or a theif? If they abused the kid, yes they should be arrested, but only because of their abuse. And even so, the child also can think for themselves. If your parents abused you as a kid, it doesn't give you any right to go out and steal from or kill people or be generally rascist. (well actually I think anyone has every right to be rascist, due to free speech, however taking action about it is an entirely different thing). There is no excuse for these types of actions. It's unfortunate the child wasn't brought up in a healthy environment, but it doesn't decrease the severity of their crime.

People also have to learn to take it in stride as well. Everyone has their own opinion and the right to vocally express that opinion. I would have no problem if someone told me they hated my girlfriend or my father or mother or brother, that is purely their opinion. I have no problem if someone truely hoped part of your family was killed in whatever situation. It is their opinion, they are completely entitled to speak it and hold it. Whatever the freedoms they have, I wont deny the fact of their bad personality. But I don't have any more right to take action against it then they do to take action against me.

The problems with WaW goes a lot deeper then Europe Vs. Korea Vs. America. It's nice to have some real healthy competition going. Some people cannot grasp the concept of healthy competition, but you'll have people like that in all aspects of the world, you'll meet them sooner or later. Removing it wont stop people from insulting Koreans or Germans or French or Americans, etc. It will just put it in a different place and setting.

However, I do agree something needs to be done about the PvE maps being linked to favor, which can and DOES ruin a large amount of the game for people on the European server who just aren't at the level of competition Korea and America are. The game rewards skill, I can see that from the favor thing, but unfortunately it also punishes the unskilled which we really don't want happening. Do I have any ideas on how this can be solved fairly? No. I'll leave that to an inspired person.
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Cibi
Pre-Searing Cadet
#20
easy to say, hard to do: ignore anyone who makes a stupid comment like that

And yes, its probably best to keep it to yourself or simply notify the devs or someone and see what they can do or will be doing in the future to address your concerns.