So this is what it has come to? Pathetic.

everyone knows that the rivals of europe, america and korea all hav a lot to say about one another but today i heard a comment from an american team which i thought was disgusting and that the person shud have his IP banned and his product code become void.

i wish i had of taken a screen shot of proof or atleast remembered the name, but i vaguley remember the guilds name was 'I *sumthing* I' and it will come to me once i see that guilds name again.

it was a europe team (my team) vs an american guild team.
everyone knows b4 a pvp battle in underworld or wherever the teams taunt each other etc.

but then this comment was put out by one of the opposing party members;

"hope some of your family died is WW2 :P"

so this sorta thing is OK? this is acceptable?

to the person saying it, totally acceptable, ether cause they are joking (yup, prety sick sence of humour then) or because they see it as the Ahem,normal part of their PvP routine.

to the rest of us, those who have lost friends and relitives in WW2 or any war or conflict, and anyone else with even a shred of concienc or deciensy..no, slap him silly and make him eat broccoly is to good

(sorry about my spelling, but you get my meaning i hope....)

Did you win?

lol for this guy to say this he has to be like 14 years old just now learning about WW2 in history dont pay attention to any flame from the opposing team i dont think wishing death upon ones family once is punishable. if he cursed or did it repeadtly(harass), or talked about your ethnictiy then yes he could get banned but seriously dont let a little kid with no pubic hair upset you.

Well... that's a pretty crass thing for someone to say, and i'm sorry you had the misfortune of running into people who think that kind of thing is somehow funny, or even acceptable.

I don't know if the 'book is closed' on the WaW issue, but I know it is one that has been brought up many, many times.. and may still be an issue under observation.. but I can't help but to feel that we would all be better off if we could segregate ourselves out based on in-game factions, not real world domains.

<agrees with spooky>
yeah, i prefer fictional countries
or how about time-zone....that would put them off those types of comments, how cn you make a great insult out of the fact that your so many hours behind or befor your opponents server?

That's obviously not cool, and really could only have been said by someone who is either pretty unbalanced, or has never lost anyone they've loved.

Competition is one thing, but trying to actually cause emotional pain to other players just isn't.

This person was obviously a child, because any educated, decent person wouldn't say any such thing. They obviously do not know the horrors of war.

One reason I don't do PvP anymore. I got tired of all the racist comments being thrown around. It's bad enough I hear plenty just doing missions (I've even had teammates leave because of it). It happens in many online games, but I don't think the WaW system is helping the situation. People tend to make competition an excuse to be assholes.

I couldn't agree more. I still think the best way to make the WaW system work is to have the "worlds" be based on game races and not real life. Have it be humans VS. charr VS. dwarves or something. I know it's not something they can do now since you can only be humans, but it would make sense if they ever introduce other races.

Companies should promote positive interaction between countries and different people, not segregate them. WaW wasn't well thought out IMHO.

WaW is a failed concept, I made a extensive post about its effect on PvE maps.

From what I seen WoW was trying to mimic some of the aspects of DaoC expect that DaoC realms were not directly connected to real world regions.

What ArenaNet did was simply asking for trouble, people like their neck of the woods and after millenia of infighting of human fractions were are like that, even without real world names in the servers it would be issues with WaW implementation ... humans simply are like that.

Thing is WaW have no choice of positive evolution because its already implemented, they cannot just remake the severs and create a entire new system ... only choice is either remove it or reduce its impact on the gameworld were it on itself is poinless.

If in tombs the sever region was not displayed it would reduce the insults, also if favor was not connected to the gods showing up people would have less of a chance to think "damn those koreans","damn those europeans" or "damn those americans" since they have less of a reason to be pissed off because they cannot adventure in Tombs or Fissure.

I agree completely, it's a failed concept. Don't think it's going to go anywhere though, if anything they are increasing the effect on PvE so as to have certain missions unlockable only when that area (wont bother to call it faction) has favour.

Oh, and to the original poster, whoever said that to you has got to be a kid.

When I played WoW someone got suspended 3 days for calling someone else gay.

Since ArenaNet thus far has been ten times better at everything than Blizzard I would say they'd give the guy at least a warning if you had taken a screenshot and sent it in to them.

This is what's written in the EULA related to this. I'm sure NC would "determine" this to be inappropriate.

Edit:
Also the Rules of Conduct.

Specifically:

Try turning off local chat. Makes the game much more pleasant.

Peace,
-CxE

It's still possible to back up from the whole "three realms" deal. Sure, they probably are going to need to keep servers in separate locations, but the in-game tie-ins don't have to be nearly as strong as they are. The whole Fissure of Woe and different realms fighting for control could be taken out easily and replaced with something else.

People in Europe would still be mostly stuck playing with other Europeans, like it is now (being mindful that international districts do exist), but it wouldn't have to be A Big Deal.

Comments like what you got is a great reason to make WaW battle chat team only. Like in World of Warcraft and Dark Age of Camelot how opposing factions can't chat to each other.

Make it so WaW teams can only talk to each other, or only hear themselves in general chat.

Comments like that are truly from the mind of an ignorant person with no sense of taste or tact. A person who may not know better(we can hope can't we), or some immature ass who feels that if they can't win they need to insult a person instead of accepting thier own shortcomings(a sore loser) or a really bad winner.

If removing the WaW system as it is fixes it then good. If they can fix it and leave the system mostly intact even better.

Everywhere except LA it's only guild and team chat. In LA, trade channel's active. I might occasionally turn on Local in Tombs or something, but that's when I'm prepared for the worst.

Yes for the record we beat them.

I agree that it isn't something nice to say, but please don't come post it on the forums. There are enough bad topics on guru as it is.

I really don't think that will solve anything getting Arenanet to change the WaW system. I mean seriously, these people are assholes and always have been before GW. And it wasn't games that made them that way either. It's the predjudice they've been brought up with. You could blame society, but parents shouldn't let their children be brought up by society. You could blame the parents, but ultimately, these people have a mind of their own. They DO know the difference between right and wrong.

Do we arrest the parents when a child becomes a killer later in life or a theif? If they abused the kid, yes they should be arrested, but only because of their abuse. And even so, the child also can think for themselves. If your parents abused you as a kid, it doesn't give you any right to go out and steal from or kill people or be generally rascist. (well actually I think anyone has every right to be rascist, due to free speech, however taking action about it is an entirely different thing). There is no excuse for these types of actions. It's unfortunate the child wasn't brought up in a healthy environment, but it doesn't decrease the severity of their crime.

People also have to learn to take it in stride as well. Everyone has their own opinion and the right to vocally express that opinion. I would have no problem if someone told me they hated my girlfriend or my father or mother or brother, that is purely their opinion. I have no problem if someone truely hoped part of your family was killed in whatever situation. It is their opinion, they are completely entitled to speak it and hold it. Whatever the freedoms they have, I wont deny the fact of their bad personality. But I don't have any more right to take action against it then they do to take action against me.

The problems with WaW goes a lot deeper then Europe Vs. Korea Vs. America. It's nice to have some real healthy competition going. Some people cannot grasp the concept of healthy competition, but you'll have people like that in all aspects of the world, you'll meet them sooner or later. Removing it wont stop people from insulting Koreans or Germans or French or Americans, etc. It will just put it in a different place and setting.

However, I do agree something needs to be done about the PvE maps being linked to favor, which can and DOES ruin a large amount of the game for people on the European server who just aren't at the level of competition Korea and America are. The game rewards skill, I can see that from the favor thing, but unfortunately it also punishes the unskilled which we really don't want happening. Do I have any ideas on how this can be solved fairly? No. I'll leave that to an inspired person.

easy to say, hard to do: ignore anyone who makes a stupid comment like that

And yes, its probably best to keep it to yourself or simply notify the devs or someone and see what they can do or will be doing in the future to address your concerns.

1 question... What does WaW stand for?

In SOE games (yes I know they are the suck), saying that would get you a IP ban within 24 hrs if reported.

People who insult because they think it's cool should be thrown out of the game. They don't need to be playing any game which involves hundreds of thousands on the global scale if they don't have global sensitivities or basic decency.

Take Screenshots and report every moron like that as fast as you come across them.

I'm an Asian who plays in America for America and I endorse these comments.

Heck yeah. My guild now always turns off local chat when doing any form of pvp. At first they wanted to trash talk but after a while, they realized exactly why I wanted them to do it. We just turn it back on only after we win and just say gg...

Well let me tell you guys and gals something about being harassed. But this is not an open invatation to come find me either. My ign is Lady Busch(Busch as in the American BEER, NOT the damn President...FYI) and I think that I have heard it all. I am not going to get into detail about what is said because if you know any Demo's you already know there hatred for the president. But what I dont understand is that it is not even spelled right and they still make that connection somehow. I was in a 6 team battle and I think that it was a European team(I could be wrong) but he even said something about like this( i f*in hate bush and I am going to destroy you!!!). Now I was drinking when I made this toon and was not thinking about the backlash that I would be getting for this name but I dont really care. Sometimes its funny watching people get all worked up over a name that means nothing to what they are talking about. Don't get me wrong, they want to bash and I can be pretty cleaver about what to say back to them, and sometimes it goes a little to far but it is all in good fun to me. I am not the kind of person that lets someone get to me through a computer screen, I just cant let it go that far. Usually there is some cussing and name calling and stuff like that, but when it is on the public channel is when I really hate it. Then everyone gets involved and it is a good ol' bashin time and I usually cant keep up.(finger cramps and such, know what I mean). One thing is for sure, people have given me loads of crap and I have given it right back to them. Sometimes I am a little quick to judge on who is giving me a hard time anymore( Lord Crom, now a friend), but that is like being in prison and hovering over your food, never know who is going to try to get ya.

One final comment... That is a pretty messed up thing to say NUMA POMPILIUS. That comment makes You no better than the person this thread is about. maybe You have some growing up to do still.

Late

That is absolutely right. It was obvious to me that WWII seemed very distant to most here, so I tried to recast it so it'd be more obvious just how jarring some kinds of comment can be, and how hard to ignore.

Still, I'm amazed it's not been deleted*. An easy two thirds of all my posts get deleted, and that's easily the most incendiary one I've ever posted.

* EDIT: Ah, I see order has now been restored.

I was in a group the other day with a guy named "J Ew Slayor"

WAW is dumb, why do we need to separate the community anyway? And why should PvE be dependant on PvP and vice versa? All the issues foreseen when WAW was announced have proven to be there. Remove WAW.

When it comes to people like that, this link may be helpful :

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715

For the WaW stuff, I am thinking the reason why ANet currently has the real country set up is so that they can reduce latency. IF they can rework their network code down so that the important and necessary traffic is very small and takes up little bandwidth loads, then a fictional set of WaW realms could be set up. Right now, Anet is trying to keep the "I am lagging, so I lost!" greifers complacent.

In a hopefully ungeneralized manner of speaking, I notice American tomb teams to have the shortest fuses or easiest to enrage. How so many of us would long for the day that beating a team with a good strategy wouldn't make you a homosexual or retarded. Comparing that to matches against Korean and European national teams, the difference is smack dab in your face. Not once has to my experience a Korean team whiplashed us for our strategy, tossed a racial slur at us, nor have called us gay, while they all spoke english to a fair degree. Speaking french and a bit of italian, European teams are seldom verbal attackers. They can be more likely to throw a few foreign swears, but to no comparable scale with American teams.

Just to clear the air, I know of plenty of Americans who arren't walking timebombs, and on another note plenty of Canadians who can be just as bad, but again it's to no comparison who you'll most likely get blasted for if you prove your superiority.
Coming from an Admin position in a few competitive games, I've head them all, and you prove yourself even more superior to uncheck that little box right next to Local during tombs or team arena matches.

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Stop with the flames or this thread gets locked, final warning.

Koreans rarely insult you in game, they have no problems with the WaW concept either. The only people who seem to throw racist remarks in the game are largely westerners.

How the koreans approach the game in terms of insults and maturity is proof that WaW can work.

It's not proof of success actually, because Koreans in general (I said this also on another thread) are culturally a very respectful and polite people. It's the very rare rare person who exposes their true feelings to strangers and even more rare who grows aggressive or rude towards people they don't like... I guess this runs true even online.

Reason for people talking like that
1) immature or just like to be a ass
2) think its fun or cool to act tough by making racist jokes or crude comments
3) think that people don't care or have emotion and the comments they say in the game shoudn't be taken seriously
4) morons or retard who just like to ruin people days

Im sorry that people have to act like this in games but that how certain people are, they say things without using their brains (or if they even have one )

by the way, recently in PvE, i was going around town and see lots of people use STFU in the game about different things, whether its teaming up or buying stuffs

This is the best possible advice and I do it in every PvP match.

Many of us remember when the game didn't have this option (back in beta) and listening to juvenile trash-talk was part of the PvP experience - and I hated it.

I can't suggest it highly enough - just turn off local chat. Those people are trying to elicit a response from you and to wind you up, by turning off local chat, they can't do that.

I find it astounding how verbal offenders are almost all the time is immediately identified as young, immature idiots. It is almost like people try preclude the possibility that the verbal attack might be just the same age or older.

Nontheless it is rather sick humor. I guess offenders should be penalized for their actions. On the other hand, it will become so bad that, one cannot say the occasional "gay", "ass" or "****" (just examples). I am pretty sure quite a few people tend to type up the mentioned insults, even myself.


Some nicknames really do ask to be "harrassed":

I am pretty sure the connection is quite obvious. And I think one cannot expect not to be flamed or sworn at with a nick name like this. Certainly, the verbal abuse should not even occur in the first place but we all know they do and will.

I hate to point this out, but if you wanted to stop these sorts of immature insults, then the answer isn't to scrap the WaW concept... you have to scrap the entire internet. For as long as there is no risk of being punched in the face for such insults, they will continue to make them. It has nothing to do with youth; I know of plenty of old people who are even worse than some youths because they can actually come up with some deeply hurting insults, rather than just childish references to your sexuality.
The power of anonymity provided by the internet is a well-documented phenomenon; it allows children and adults alike to throw around childish insults like candy, it allows old men to become young women, it allows the concept of a 'debate' to become twisted and mutilated into something else, it allows poor people to become rich... in short, I have always viewed the internet as a thing which may have been better-off left uninvented.

If you got rid of the WaW concept, all you'd manage to do is switch the subjects of insults to something equally despicable. Scumbags don't change.

This thread annoys me. Not because of the stupid immature comments some have heard, but because of how people react to them.

Why do people blame the WaW system ? Do you really think you wouldn't get the same comments if it wasn't there ? Do you think that the idiots would suddenly disappear if it was removed ? Perhaps, if you feel that the WaW system promotes racial hatred, you'd also like to cancel the Olympic games, because any type of competition between opposing groups is bad for you huh ?

I like that Anet has tried to make the PvP in this otherwise quite shallow game mean something. If that gets taken away because of the moronic minority, then the idiots have won.

Why do people have to repeat exactly what I said, in every post after?

Obviously we all want to be like you.