2 man underworld smite runs? will this work?

Minwanabi

Minwanabi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

I was just using this type of thing the other day, it's really quite fun, and I'm willing to try it anytime, I've got an el and a mo both 20, armor, runes, etc. in PVE that can switch subs to whatever if anyone wants to try. IGN: Minwanabi Wasabi or Taimur Wasabi or Mnow Wasabi

velvetbunny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

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Do you remember what quest you got that Fire Wand from? I'm real interested in getting one...

miteethor

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Where can I find a Protection+1 staff/icon/offhand/focus/whatever? Is there a collector who has this?

Maiyn

Maiyn

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canada

I Excentrix I [PuNK]

Holy man. My fiance and I tried this two person today. Totally mental. He has full life with so superiors so it was pretty painful for me. We only tried once. He needs to get new armor to fill with superior runes or I need to switch up the skills lol.

We didn't get very far at all but it was quite hilarious and fun :O

miteethor

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I've found that Word of Healing or Dwayna's Kiss works better than the Signet for healing. There is more than enough Mana and these faster heals help duing the scary parts between Healing Seeds

Myth Osis

Myth Osis

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Christchurch, New Zealand

Red Order

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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
I use spells with a one second cast time, they only work if you time it right however because the interuptions do get annoying, especially when youre tanking about 5 - 15 mobs. Your so full of it.... you wouldnt last 20 seconds in FoW by yourself... message me in game I got to see this.... If you can solo FoW, Ill eat my words.

IGN: Myah Osis

Interregnum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by miteethor
I've found that Word of Healing or Dwayna's Kiss works better than the Signet for healing. There is more than enough Mana and these faster heals help duing the scary parts between Healing Seeds Uh...which signet are you referring to for healing? Blessed signet is for energy regain.

Actually through further testing, vigorous spirit isn't needed...the monk can hold their own fine. One extra skill slot to ponder over.
Took down squids without energy problems, and tanked coldfires easily.

We did some 2 person exploring and managed to get pretty far. The obsidian behemoths are solo-able by E/Me, but if one of them gets off healing spring, you might have to wait until your energy and skills recharge.
We finally got bored and just suicided on the dead thresher/collector.



Those things are huge, they only appear small since they're in the distance. They probably cast lingering curse like the flesh golems since they seem to have the other skills, so our builds wouldn't do much anyways.

miteethor

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Join Date: May 2005

I was referring to Signet of Devotion. But with my current build and the number of stacked enchants, Dwayna's kiss heals for 209 points and only costs 5, and recharges every 3 seconds, more than enough between Healing Seeds.

Ka RaTae

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Orlando

치 The Spearmen 치

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ikinsey
I use spells with a one second cast time, they only work if you time it right however because the interuptions do get annoying, especially when youre tanking about 5 - 15 mobs.
I find this hard to believe also. If you are soloing with a necro....post the exact skills, and your attributes. Also tell us your casting sequence. If you are really doing what you say you are then it's awesome. I find it hard to beleive that a solo necro could do the kind of damage needed to kill the creatures in UW. Let alone be able to survive the hits coming in from 1 Ataxe let alone 6 or 7 like we can tank with Mitee's protections running.

farash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

death dealt daily

E/N

2 man smite runs can work. ive done 3 man runs myself. but the monk build required for 2 man runs is a weird one. a freind of mine has a monk build that can absorb damage better than a tank, any tank. with a healing monk and a nuker, we can obliterate smites and just about anything else ( mindblades are another story). im not sure of the monk build but the ele build i use is as follows

firestorm
meteor shower
mark of rodgert
searing heat
elemental atunement
essence bond (monk skill)....... cast on the tanking monk so i never run out of energy
fireball
flare

cast essence bond once we get in uw

once monk agros a group i cast nukes in this order

elemental atunement
meteor shower
firestorm
mark of rodgert
fireball
mark of rodgert
firestorm or meteor shower (whichever recharged faster, sometimes meteor shower gets the fast skill recharge from my wand and artifact)
clean up nearly dead monsters with flare and fireball

rinse and repeat as needed

jelly samwich

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Encinitas Avengers

Mo/E

coldfires are really tough for me solo.. so you just strafe around their malestrom??

Ka RaTae

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Orlando

치 The Spearmen 치

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by jelly samwich
coldfires are really tough for me solo.. so you just strafe around their malestrom??
Your able to solo in UW?

How about sharing your build.

What is your Primary/Secondary?

What are your atrributes at?

What skills are you running and what is your sequence for using them?

Or by solo do you mean fight by yourself in a multi person party?

Just curious.

P.S.

I have found that in the 2 man build we are running straffing is a bad idea against the cold fires. Then tend to charge past me and then see the protection monk in the rear. I usually just stand in the maelstrom and bear it out.

Ka RaTae

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Orlando

치 The Spearmen 치

N/Me

Tried a new tank character today.

Lev 14 Monk/Warrior.

Smite Prayers - 15 then went to 16 from level ups. (Sup Rune)
Divine Favor - 5 or 6 (can't remember..I leveled 2 times) (Sup Rune)
Healing Prayers - 3 (Sup Rune)


1-Divine Boon
2-Balt's Aura
3-Symbol of Wrath
4-Zealots Fire
5-Blessed Signet
6-Succor
7-Balt's Spirit
8-Essence Bond

This worked out pretty well. I seemd to be able to kill just as fast if not faster then my Ele/Monk. With the addition of Succor feeding Mitee's monk and him haveing Protective bond at 17 he had a massive amount of energy.


My goal is to try to get an Axe and replace Succor with Cyclone Axe since it will trigger Zealot's Fire. I would like to do this with a chaos axe since it bypasses armor...to a certain extent...I just don't know if I will have the attribute points I need. At level 16 right now....not haveing done any atrribute quests...I can't squeeze that skill in.

roachmojo

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

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Originally Posted by Ka RaTae
I find this hard to believe also. If you are soloing with a necro....post the exact skills, and your attributes. Also tell us your casting sequence. If you are really doing what you say you are then it's awesome. I find it hard to beleive that a solo necro could do the kind of damage needed to kill the creatures in UW. Let alone be able to survive the hits coming in from 1 Ataxe let alone 6 or 7 like we can tank with Mitee's protections running.
I also would like to know his build and casting sequence.

jelly samwich

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Encinitas Avengers

Mo/E

by solo i mean by my self.. no party.. lol

im a Mo/W
depending on armor my attributes are
Healing 5+3/4
Smiting 9+3
Prot 12+3/4
divine favor 8+3
Tactics 2

the prot needs to be 16 to get teh lvl 17 protection bond on.. you can probably figure out the rest of the build by reading this thread + experimenting. i'll just say i've gotten as far as smites.. coldfires pose a big problem but right now i'm trying to figure out a way to beat them. i've also managed to live indefinately in tombs, 1v8+ghostly hero.. my build doesn't quite do enough damage sometimes in PVP but in UW it is perfect (at least up till the coldfires).

the reason im not posting the exact skills is i think it'll lead the build to get nerfed or else induce bots/whathaveyou to drop the price of ecto too much!

Rith Raft

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Forged Legion

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Soloing the UW is defenetoly posible.
Some sugjestions I would have to people attenting this act.
-Bring many head tattoos to be stitched around while casting maintained enchantments
-Also feel free to swich around your attributes, killing an aaxe give just under 250xp
-If you have less than 100hp, Pro Bond and + 10 heath gen, you are invincible

spiritofcat

spiritofcat

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sydney, Australia

Order of the Sanguine Dragon [OSD]

E/Mo

So it would only be possible to solo UW with a Monk primary?

miteethor

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I've been looking through the monk skills and while it would be possible to solo, I don't think you could take on a big mob and it would probably take a while to kill. In our 2-man build we can easily handle 7-8 at a time and have them all dead in under 60 seconds. Depending on what type of tank we use it has been a little as 15-20 seconds to clear a mob. I think that what you give up in drops you more than make up for in time with a 2-man team.

Thanas

Thanas

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Star Riders (StR)

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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
Im a regular necro and I farm UW and FoW by myself, I just bring someone with rebirth for the occasional time I die. This is complete nonense. I've tried various combinations of necro skills and you can't farm with them. They are support.

sleazeh

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

good from far, far from good

Gaming Continuum

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by miteethor
I've been looking through the monk skills and while it would be possible to solo, I don't think you could take on a big mob and it would probably take a while to kill. In our 2-man build we can easily handle 7-8 at a time and have them all dead in under 60 seconds. Depending on what type of tank we use it has been a little as 15-20 seconds to clear a mob. I think that what you give up in drops you more than make up for in time with a 2-man team. When we run our 2 man team (2 monks), the smiter is able to "somewhat" heal himself, and in the past, has run solo, at least through aatxes, smites, and coldfires. The second monk is protection primarily, with a couple of heal spells to counter bleeding, maelstorms, and the like.
Whether you run a smite monk or warrior (or elmo, or...) as your tank, the second person is focused entirely on enchantments and some minor healing, and thus doesn't contribute to damage. At least the way we are set up...

In our experience, the only way to speed up the damage is to add ranged/nuking attacks from a third player. So in other words, the damage per second, or killing speed, is consistent whether there are one or two players, as player 2 doesn't contribute to the DPS.

Perhaps there are other ways, I fully conceed that the way we set up may not be the way others run their 2 man teams. But since 4 enchants are required to be maintained by player 2, as well as provide spike heals, it doesn't leave much room in the skill bar for damage contribution.

Ka RaTae

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Orlando

치 The Spearmen 치

N/Me

I am getting a little confused with terminolgy here....

To solo to me means 1 character in UW.

Is that what solo means to everyone else?

A 2 man team with an upfront tank and a rear prot monk is not soloing....that's a 2 man team...16 skills in use. Yes the up front guy is solo fighting, but I have yet to see a convincing argument that anyone could do UW with only 1 character....8 skills....


Jelly S may actually have a build. I am not trying to say it's not possible and that anyone is lieing. I just feel a 1 man 8 skill build would not be worth the effort. A 2 man build is hard enough to maintain at times. I can't believe that a 1 man would be worth the hassle in there.

jelly samwich

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Encinitas Avengers

Mo/E

Here is my build--enjoy
i might fraps up some videos tomorrow
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=32980

Conador

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

EDIT: My post was pointless after some looking into found the answe itself in the thread.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by jelly samwich
Here is my build--enjoy
i might fraps up some videos tomorrow
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=32980 Again why did you post that build it leads to nerfs?

And to all of you saying 1 man runs arn't possible, I cleared UW at lvl 8 with a M/Me. I was levl 18 when I finished but I started at lvl 8.

miteethor

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Join Date: May 2005

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

And to all of you saying 1 man runs arn't possible, I cleared UW at lvl 8 with a M/Me. I was levl 18 when I finished but I started at lvl 8. I seriously doubt that. First there is the issue of having all the necessary skills at Lvl 8 but I suppose if you were really desperate you could pay someone to run you all over the world to the skill trainers to get them, but it would be REALLY boring and I doubt someone else would do that for you. And if you fought your way there then you would have to be more than Lvl 8 by the time you got your skills.

Then there is the issue of the Oblivion worms - they run Nature's renewal, and when it's cast you lose all enchants. Since the spirit sits right next to the worm when you do your area damage you will kill the spirit much faster, which they will recast and boom you are dead. Don't forget the Mesmers who strip enchants as well, and the Necro dryder who can clear you out. Are you telling me that in 8 hours you were able to handle every enchant stripping monster and kill them all without a single mishap?

What about the Ice quest - it requires you to be in 2 places at once so how exactly did you accomplish that by yourself? Or defending the village, how did you keep ALL the villagers alive by yourself?

I think maybe you should revise your statement a little to clarify for the rest of us. I know there are workable builds that can go through Ataxes, smites, Grasping Darkness, and sometimes Coldfires but I think that's about the extent that it's possible.

sleazeh

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

good from far, far from good

Gaming Continuum

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by miteethor
I know there are workable builds that can go through Ataxes, smites, Grasping Darkness, and sometimes Coldfires but I think that's about the extent that it's possible. That is about how I see it.

We have a couple of people in our guild that can solo the aatxes, graspers, smites, and coldfires....but with the enchant removal used by Behemoths, the Ghostly mesmer riders, etc...I would like to know how a full area clear is possible solo.
I suspect that's its not.

EmperorTippy

EmperorTippy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

You use spellbreaker and arcane echo together alot and this was before the new update with more massive enchant removal.

I will clarify. I killed all the monsters and did about half the quests. As for the skills I got guildes to run me to em and I would die first to delberlatly stop the xp gain. I also did the first 15 point attribute quest. Once I was in UW I gained a level about every 2 kills of the aatxes. I had the skills on my bar but not the points to make full use of them in the beginning of the run. As I gained levels I became more effective so by the time I reached the enchant stripping monsters I had the ability to survive. It was hard and a couple of times i almost died but I made it. Level doesn't really matter if you can max protection on that build and against the aatxes it doesn't even need to be really maxed.

super dooper

super dooper

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Spell Breaker can only do so much..

Miss Innocent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

I wander.

Mo/R

The problem with smites is that they seem to hit you five times a second, which makes the Protection not quite so good (still good, but not so good).

Healing Seed does help with that.

I do know that Signets ignore Maelstrom. You might be able to wait it out using a Signet.

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

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Final max health: 55. where can you get this focus item? please name npc/quest/location.
i heard ascalon post searing, but can't find it.

jelly samwich

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Encinitas Avengers

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Makkert
where can you get this focus item? please name npc/quest/location.
i heard ascalon post searing, but can't find it. its from the monuments quest from the scribe.. i bought one in yaks bend

Ka RaTae

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Orlando

치 The Spearmen 치

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Innocent
The problem with smites is that they seem to hit you five times a second, which makes the Protection not quite so good (still good, but not so good).

Healing Seed does help with that.

I do know that Signets ignore Maelstrom. You might be able to wait it out using a Signet.
Yes, but you can't cast healing seed in a solo build....if you are talking about the M/ME dude. In the 2 man build Healing Seed is awesome.

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by jelly samwich
its from the monuments quest from the scribe.. i bought one in yaks bend "Cities of Ascalon" Quest from Simon the Scribe. Still need to do the Sumaria Mission to see the last monument (although I am not sure that I will actually use the focus).

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

If you use the solo build that uses divine boon instead of healing breeze and SoJ instead or mending, the -50 health focus does not help very much(bleeding). It would be better to just run a regular weapon + foci or just a staff.

thecreator

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2005

just wanted to create a name that has nothing to do with my IGN so if the 3 PHUCKERS I trusted this Mo/W build read this, I can say I hope you burn for eternity in hell getting shit on by every demon that crosses your path. I created this build that can solo anything accept a mesmer. I STARTED SOLO UW runs and I trusted 3 individuals with the secret. Now thanks to them and all you phucking cookie cutter monks out there it probably won't be long before ANET patches it so no one can do it. Rot in hell you sons-s-bitches. All of you

super dooper

super dooper

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blahblah that's quite the.. something, to assume that you started it, do you realize how many people play this game? It's been around for a while, yes, but to assume that you started all of it, haha.

It was inevitable. When you have a huge amount of people playing the game, many of them very smart, there are going to be people who publically share the 'uber secret' builds and farming locations. Not to say that I or others are happy about it, but I'm sure that ArenaNET has already figured it out, or would've figured it out, without someone posting it on a forum.

dajg

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Monks have been soloing the UW for a while now - see the " UW Solo Mo/W Build and Tutorial" thread in this forum. You can get 2 to 4 ectos per run plus a skill point. Why do you think monk superior runes are now so expensive compared to every other profession? You need help to do the 10k quests but everything up to the dryders is doable solo as described in that thread.

Melkor of ZoSo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

What you could do is get a W/Mo, have him beef up his Smiting, Tactics, and Sword (or Hammer/Axe), and then get a Mo/x who's got 16 Protection, keep him out of the Agro Circle, and just go to town.

W/Mo gets the Shield Stance (When you need a long, uninteruped 75% chance to block), Gladiators Stance (For doing damge) and Boenetti's Deffense (for recharging Energy), Balthazar's Aura for lots of damage, Singet of Judgement to knock the Ataxes off thier feet for a little bit, still doing good damage, Hundred Blades, Galrath's Slash, and throw in whatever else you want. Need Gladiator Armor to get enough energy to cast Balthazar's Aura. That'll put out about 200dmg, Galrath and Hundred Blades should do lots if you've got max dmg. Sword too. I think it's enough to slowly and surely take out the Ataxes. Do they have any healing skills? I havent been in UW for a while...

The Mo/x... well... just have Protection COMPLETELY maxed, then Healing and Divine favor (I dont know about specific skills, but you get the idea). I think that's a deadly combo.

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo
What you could do is get a W/Mo, have him beef up his Smiting, Tactics, and Sword (or Hammer/Axe), and then get a Mo/x who's got 16 Protection, keep him out of the Agro Circle, and just go to town.

W/Mo gets the Shield Stance (When you need a long, uninteruped 75% chance to block), Gladiators Stance (For doing damge) and Boenetti's Deffense (for recharging Energy), Balthazar's Aura for lots of damage, Singet of Judgement to knock the Ataxes off thier feet for a little bit, still doing good damage, Hundred Blades, Galrath's Slash, and throw in whatever else you want. Need Gladiator Armor to get enough energy to cast Balthazar's Aura. That'll put out about 200dmg, Galrath and Hundred Blades should do lots if you've got max dmg. Sword too. I think it's enough to slowly and surely take out the Ataxes. Do they have any healing skills? I havent been in UW for a while...

The Mo/x... well... just have Protection COMPLETELY maxed, then Healing and Divine favor (I dont know about specific skills, but you get the idea). I think that's a deadly combo. Signet of Judgement is elite. Hundred Blades is elite. So you have to pick one. Additionally, the Mo/W is the better tank here. I have tried both and it is quicker with one Mo/W.

(I know this is old news and I am in no way claiming that I have better information than the others in on the board.)

thecreator

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2005

monk runes just skyrocketed a few weeks ago. which is consistant with the leak of info. i figured this build out exactly a month and 2 days after guild wars was released on my first character, a monk. so i think its pretty safe for me to say that i created it. as for the anet thing, youi know just as well as i do that eventually they will patch the game so ppl cant solo UW. they always patch areas that we find to have fun and be productive.