what is with people >_>
Sekkira
Anyway, back on topic (wow, I never thought I'd ever say anything like this @_@)
Those people suck >:
... What?... It's the best I could come up with
Those people suck >:
... What?... It's the best I could come up with
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
trolling is about the least impressive thing one can do.
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Talk about the game being too easy and only attracting the attention seekers. I initially disagreed with that statement, but now i'm not so sure.
btw, He felt it necessary to correct someone else's grammar first Aniewiel, I'm just returning the favor.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
Just about. Ranks right up there with 750 posts in the first month on the forums.
Talk about the game being too easy and only attracting the attention seekers. I initially disagreed with that statement, but now i'm not so sure. btw, He felt it necessary to correct someone else's grammar first Aniewiel, I'm just returning the favor. |
my job requires very little work...so I have little to do
I merely pointed out your feeble attempt at making yourself appear intelligent by conjoining two terms that mean essentially the same thing.
Sekkira
Woah, holy crap. You have more posts then me in the few months I've been here then the few days you've been here @_@
I don't even work and I don't get that bored O_o
I don't even work and I don't get that bored O_o
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Sekkira
Woah, holy crap. You have more posts then me in the few months I've been here then the few days you've been here @_@
I don't even work and I don't get that bored O_o |
if I didn't have to work I'd do other things...9/10 days there's absolutely nothing to do but sit here and look at the wall. The 1/10 days there IS something to do I generally spend 16-20 hours straight sitting in front of my monitor. Like I said...my job has incredibly lenghty down times
Bushmins
The sad thing is with games like this you have to wait for a year of them being released for all the idiots and abusive people to get bored and move on.
If any of you play NWN (probably 4 years old now) you only get experienced players who are interested in moving the game to better things.
I do enjoy reading your stories of abuse
If any of you play NWN (probably 4 years old now) you only get experienced players who are interested in moving the game to better things.
I do enjoy reading your stories of abuse
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
my job requires very little work...so I have little to do
I merely pointed out your feeble attempt at making yourself appear intelligent by conjoining two terms that mean essentially the same thing. |
Umm, it was not my feeble attempt, it was another poster, but let's get to the root of problem.
Algren Cole has:
1) Overposted in the short time he's been here.
2) Constantly belittles the difficulty of the Doppleganger and game in general.
3) Corrected other posters' grammar.
4) Bragged and probably embellished about the time it took him to ascend.
5) bragged about how his job requires "very little work".
6) Blamed the problem of GW community malcontents on the lack of game difficulty.
7) Referred to those who find the game a challenge as morons.
As I see it, YOU are the attention seeker that you so disdainfully referred to earlier in this thread. "Look at me, this game is too easy for me". "Look at me, I ascended in an hour and a half". blah blah blah blah!!
You're an elitist snob.
thank God for the posts per day line in the profile.
Good day sir!!
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
Umm, it was not my feeble attempt, it was another poster, but let's get to the root of problem.
Algren Cole has: 1) Overposted in the short time he's been here. 2) Constantly belittles the difficulty of the Doppleganger and game in general. 3) Corrected other posters' grammar. 4) Bragged and probably embellished about the time it took him to ascend. 5) bragged about how his job requires "very little work". 6) Blamed the problem of GW community malcontents on the lack of game difficulty. 7) Referred to those who find the game a challenge as morons. As I see it, YOU are the attention seeker that you so disdainfully referred to earlier in this thread. "Look at me, this game is too easy for me". "Look at me, I ascended in an hour and a half". blah blah blah blah!! You're an elitist snob. thank God for the posts per day line in the profile. Good day sir!! |
1) agreed...
2) I've made 1 thread about the doppleganger...this game is not difficult
3) didn't correct anything...merely pointed out the redundancy of a comment intended to flame the OP
4) your opinion
5) look up the definition of brag...I was merely making a statement
6) a difficult game weeds out those simply looking for attention
7) referred to those who couldn't take the time to realize what the doppleganger was doing as morons...and stand by that statement.
stop trolling
smitty-gw
Post count won't buy you respect on these forums Algren. Maybe you'll realize that, maybe you won't.
Your the first person to call me a troll in the 4+ months I've been on these forums. People who don't agree with your opinions are not inherently trolls.
Being passionate about a belief is a noble trait. Being glib, condescending and overly opinionated at the quantity you have shown, is not.
Oh and btw, I know the meaning of the word brag. Making a "statement" does not exclude one from also bragging in that statement.
Maybe you should find a more challenging job? since you are obviously bored to tears with your current profession.
Your the first person to call me a troll in the 4+ months I've been on these forums. People who don't agree with your opinions are not inherently trolls.
Being passionate about a belief is a noble trait. Being glib, condescending and overly opinionated at the quantity you have shown, is not.
Oh and btw, I know the meaning of the word brag. Making a "statement" does not exclude one from also bragging in that statement.
Maybe you should find a more challenging job? since you are obviously bored to tears with your current profession.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
Post count won't buy you respect on these forums Algren. Maybe you'll realize that, maybe you won't.
Your the first person to call me a troll in the 4+ months I've been on these forums. People who don't agree with your opinions are not inherently trolls. Being passionate about a belief is a noble trait. Being glib, condescending and overly opinionated at the quantity you have shown, is not. Oh and btw, I know the meaning of the word brag. Making a "statement" does not exclude one from also bragging in that statement. Maybe you should find a more challenging job? since you are obviously bored to tears with your current profession. |
I love my job..I love writing code...I love patching security leaks...I LOVE designing intranet infrastructure...there's just alot of down time.
I don't feel the need to respond to the rest of your comment. I think this thread should get back on topic.
psycore
re: eventhorizen
Last I checked this is a community board for GW. And my example is just a small part of what is problematic with some individuals in the GW community (as evidenced by other posters as well, some who have had worse encounters), as this is an issue that effects us why not bring it up as a valid point of discussion?
Anyone could really press the issue and start throwing about the GW EULA, there is enough legal jargon in that to warrant investigation by arenanet for tiny breaches, but how often do people actually follow through with that? I dont, I know it's part of the game to encounter rude types as I initially mentioned, but sometimes it just gets a bit much when your constantly dealing with it and for no apparent reason.
re: Calimar
What are you refering to? I never ended up trading with anyone..?
Last I checked this is a community board for GW. And my example is just a small part of what is problematic with some individuals in the GW community (as evidenced by other posters as well, some who have had worse encounters), as this is an issue that effects us why not bring it up as a valid point of discussion?
Anyone could really press the issue and start throwing about the GW EULA, there is enough legal jargon in that to warrant investigation by arenanet for tiny breaches, but how often do people actually follow through with that? I dont, I know it's part of the game to encounter rude types as I initially mentioned, but sometimes it just gets a bit much when your constantly dealing with it and for no apparent reason.
re: Calimar
What are you refering to? I never ended up trading with anyone..?
Eet GnomeSmasher
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
You know whats worse? The people who come onto the forums to whine about it.
Most people accept it as a fact of live, and ignore it. You however feel the need to show your utmost superiority by posting this crap. So what? Have a tissue. It happens, get over it. |
Oh and here's a tissue for you. To stuff into your mouth so you don't say something stupid again.
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I don't feel the need to respond to the rest of your comment. I think this thread should get back on topic.
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stumpy
im sorry but seeing as the flaming has already begun ... can one of the illiterate professional and highly respected ... explain to me where the heck uber, and 1337, and GODLY nad all of this poor lingo has come from? what game simcity? something like that, I just can't comprehend this abnormal behaviour?
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
Thank goodness for not responding further. I've seen enough of your "posts" for the day.
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and I'm the elitest
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
and I'm the elitest
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by stumpy
im sorry but seeing as the flaming has already begun ... can one of the illiterate professional and highly respected ... explain to me where the heck uber, and 1337, and GODLY nad all of this poor lingo has come from? what game simcity? something like that, I just can't comprehend this abnormal behaviour?
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1- I or lowercase L
1 & 2 together would make an R
3 - E
4 - A
5 - S
7 - T
8 - B
9 - g or p
0 - O
they also started to use very uncommon words(like uber)...generally words that were used were German words...as a large portion of the hacking community was from Germany. outside of Germany these words had little to no meaning to most people.
I have no idea where GODLY came from...
Aniewiel
Undoubtedly one of the earliest examples of something being 'godly' would be from the 10 years old game, Diablo. Back then, a Godly Plate of the Whale (or some other secondary characteristic) was the best of the best. I'm sure there are earlier examples but that would be the most pertinent to -this- game, I'd venture.
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Undoubtedly one of the earliest examples of something being 'godly' would be from the 10 years old game, Diablo. Back then, a Godly Plate of the Whale (or some other secondary characteristic) was the best of the best. I'm sure there are earlier examples but that would be the most pertinent to -this- game, I'd venture.
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No other secondary characteristic. You know damn well it was GPOW! (With +100 life methinks).
Azmodan
The majority of the people that I have come in contact with are usually decent people to play with. There are however, a some truly ignorant people.
There is only one person on my ignore list at this time. The lucky person is a clown that I came across on the trade channel. He was selling a staff that I was interested in for my monk. I asked him what the requirements were and he told me. I asked him how much he wanted for it and he told me to make an offer.
I asked him what the damage was on it and he proceeded to tell me that he wasn't going to sell it to me because that was a "NOOB" question. I asked him why it was a "NOOB" question and he said because I was a caster and damage doesn't matter.
I laughed at him and told him that he was a moron. Everybody knows that damage is one of the determining factors in the price of any weapon. The amount of damage I do may not matter, but how much I was willing to pay for the staff did matter on the damage.
Luckily, in my experience, these people are few and far between. But, they are always good for a laugh.
There is only one person on my ignore list at this time. The lucky person is a clown that I came across on the trade channel. He was selling a staff that I was interested in for my monk. I asked him what the requirements were and he told me. I asked him how much he wanted for it and he told me to make an offer.
I asked him what the damage was on it and he proceeded to tell me that he wasn't going to sell it to me because that was a "NOOB" question. I asked him why it was a "NOOB" question and he said because I was a caster and damage doesn't matter.
I laughed at him and told him that he was a moron. Everybody knows that damage is one of the determining factors in the price of any weapon. The amount of damage I do may not matter, but how much I was willing to pay for the staff did matter on the damage.
Luckily, in my experience, these people are few and far between. But, they are always good for a laugh.
Aniewiel
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
No other secondary characteristic. You know damn well it was GPOW! (With +100 life methinks).
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Aniewiel
I hate it when sellers ask you to "make an offer". Give me a base price since you obviously have a minimum you're willing to take for an item then I'll dicker with you. Otherwise, I won't bother.
arnansnow
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Originally Posted by Azmodan
The majority of the people that I have come in contact with are usually decent people to play with. There are however, a some truly ignorant people.
There is only one person on my ignore list at this time. The lucky person is a clown that I came across on the trade channel. He was selling a staff that I was interested in for my monk. I asked him what the requirements were and he told me. I asked him how much he wanted for it and he told me to make an offer. I asked him what the damage was on it and he proceeded to tell me that he wasn't going to sell it to me because that was a "NOOB" question. I asked him why it was a "NOOB" question and he said because I was a caster and damage doesn't matter. I laughed at him and told him that he was a moron. Everybody knows that damage is one of the determining factors in the price of any weapon. The amount of damage I do may not matter, but how much I was willing to pay for the staff did matter on the damage. Luckily, in my experience, these people are few and far between. But, they are always good for a laugh. |
That person is very, very stupid, I mean, why wouldn't anyone not want to sell to a noob, you can rip them off! (never done it myself, just so you know)
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Yep, besides the King's Sword of Haste, the most duped item on the original Diablo.
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*sighs*....aaah the memories. The horrible, horrible memories.
Azmodan
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Originally Posted by arnansnow
That person is very, very stupid, I mean, why wouldn't anyone not want to sell to a noob, you can rip them off! (never done it myself, just so you know)
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Maybe, he realized that I wasn't a "NOOB" and he was looking for one to screw.
Oh Mr. Elite Player, I'll gladly pay you 150k for that 3-6 dmg smiting staff.
IndyCC
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
leetspeak originated in the underground hacking community. It allowed hackers to pass emails/messages without encryption. In the early 90's and even the late 80's people outside of the community didn't have any grasp on the concept. So hackers would generally replace letters with numbers
1- I or lowercase L 1 & 2 together would make an R 3 - E 4 - A 5 - S 7 - T 8 - B 9 - g or p 0 - O they also started to use very uncommon words(like uber)...generally words that were used were German words...as a large portion of the hacking community was from Germany. outside of Germany these words had little to no meaning to most people. I have no idea where GODLY came from... |
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by IndyCC
I think godly came from Diablo I era from Godly Plate of the Whale...speculation...
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ya. I'm picking up on that from the other two as well
GW is the first online RPG i've played...so I really don't know what most of the terms being used mean or where they come from.
stumpy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Algren Cole
leetspeak originated in the underground hacking community. It allowed hackers to pass emails/messages without encryption. In the early 90's and even the late 80's people outside of the community didn't have any grasp on the concept. So hackers would generally replace letters with numbers
1- I or lowercase L 1 & 2 together would make an R 3 - E 4 - A 5 - S 7 - T 8 - B 9 - g or p 0 - O they also started to use very uncommon words(like uber)...generally words that were used were German words...as a large portion of the hacking community was from Germany. outside of Germany these words had little to no meaning to most people. I have no idea where GODLY came from... |
I don't understand why when in a town people use this to refer to items? Using hacking language would incinuate that your item is not actually ligit, and so on likely worthless. To me people are using the terms to 'sound' powerful ... but the terms outdated and would resemble someone saying wow man that sword is 'rad' or 124D. Do you understand where I am coming from?
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Thank you ... this is exactly the answer I was what I was waiting for .... so why is it if we have hackers with such great knowledge sounding immature these days? I am a programmer and I prefer using proper english because ... I guess ... Im a n00b idiot?
I don't understand why when in a town people use this to refer to items? Using hacking language would incinuate that your item is not actually ligit, and so on likely worthless. To me people are using the terms to 'sound' powerful ... but the terms outdated and would resemble someone saying wow man that sword is 'rad' or 124D. Do you understand where I am coming from? |
I absolutely used the terms and the "speak" in the late 80's nd early 90's....but I used them for their intended purpose. I very rarely use any of those terms unless speaking with someone I knew in the early 90's...and then we're only joking around with eachother. There was a purpose for it then...10-15 years ago encrypting things was very very difficult...you couldn't just push a button and bammo it's encrypted...there was a long process, and this "speak" eliminated it.
I absolutely understand where you are coming from...the term "no0b" aggrevates the hell out of me...but mostly because people are using it incorrectly now.
stumpy
thanks ... it just semms odd that in the towns and even in these forums when people refer to selling items they continually use theese terms lol ...
I would rather jump in and buy when i see 'max dmg fellblade +15% when health>50% armor +5 etc' than 'Uber fellblade for 1337 warrior, no n00b offer' lol ...
they could very well be the same sword ... but imho, I would personally cut to the chase when it comes to business. I know ... I'm an old fart ... lol ..
this isnt to say I haven't travelled with many good players. Thoroughly enjoy most companies, daily I'm more addicted to the funny groups we get, the great conversations, humour ... side jokes ... alotta good ... but the towns need some thinning out imo.
EDIT*********** to the response below me ... *******
hahahaha ... yes, yes ... I am sure they are kids. as with about 75% of the complaints I have read refer to either child like behaviour or or flaming remarks because they are still immature ... most disgruntled posts I see revolve either around that or 'i was travelling with this group, ran outta energy, warrior died ... started shouting U NOOB IDIOT U BAD IDIOT MONK GO LEARN TO PLAY, WTF RES ME U MONK ... IM DEAD IM DEAD IM DEAD RES ME U IDIOT*
.... the remarks and comments revolving around this type of behaviour are abundant to say the least. We all like to vent but realise that as much as we hate the lingo, GW is free ... free for me, free for u, and free for your kid or neighbours kid, or somebody's kids to play too.
(as much as I hate it, I have to live with it, selective hearing, that must be my next skill to learn)
I would rather jump in and buy when i see 'max dmg fellblade +15% when health>50% armor +5 etc' than 'Uber fellblade for 1337 warrior, no n00b offer' lol ...
they could very well be the same sword ... but imho, I would personally cut to the chase when it comes to business. I know ... I'm an old fart ... lol ..
this isnt to say I haven't travelled with many good players. Thoroughly enjoy most companies, daily I'm more addicted to the funny groups we get, the great conversations, humour ... side jokes ... alotta good ... but the towns need some thinning out imo.
EDIT*********** to the response below me ... *******
hahahaha ... yes, yes ... I am sure they are kids. as with about 75% of the complaints I have read refer to either child like behaviour or or flaming remarks because they are still immature ... most disgruntled posts I see revolve either around that or 'i was travelling with this group, ran outta energy, warrior died ... started shouting U NOOB IDIOT U BAD IDIOT MONK GO LEARN TO PLAY, WTF RES ME U MONK ... IM DEAD IM DEAD IM DEAD RES ME U IDIOT*
.... the remarks and comments revolving around this type of behaviour are abundant to say the least. We all like to vent but realise that as much as we hate the lingo, GW is free ... free for me, free for u, and free for your kid or neighbours kid, or somebody's kids to play too.
(as much as I hate it, I have to live with it, selective hearing, that must be my next skill to learn)
Algren Cole
generally the people using these terms are still kids...you'd be hard pressed to find an adult saying things like "Selling Ubler Doobler Godly fellblade...no No0b off3rs"
Ascension
I only read the frist few posts in this thread (and saw the picture). All I can think is where to high hell are you guys?! There's idiots everywhere, yet so many awesome people here. I just don't get it, do we all hide in a dark cave in Tibet? Seriously, why can't we make some kind of deathray to deal with people who have the IQ of an eggplant.
Gaele
WTB The name of the character of Sekkira's picture! 8k!!!
Ascension
Let's not forget the LFG group messages - in caps, naturally. Or the people who just say "LFG" ... so, am I inviting a Yetti or an eggplant to my group? Maybe a Y/Eg, with mystical ninja powers? I can only hope...
Also, again in terms of a mission area; when people spam for LFM messages. "LFM tank be good!!11!!" It's stuff like that which will lead to the much-loved W/Mo in your party. "I am the invincable" - obviously not phrases like that as that is proper spelling. I personally like to, when looking for a warrior, say roughly:
"Beat your meat! We're looking for a tank for _______" Now, not descriptive - but I think from that you can tell I've lost seriousness when dealing with PUG's!
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In terms of "leetspeak":
Gosu means "skilled" in Korean. Originally used predomenently in StarCraft, the age of SlayerS_BoXeR, Nada, Yellow, and a multitude of other amazing players. On a side note, the "Boxer Build" is blocking your choke with 1 Barracks, and 1-2 Supply Depots to provide a block against the early Zealot/Dragoon while you build your first Siege tank in TvP. And yes, I've made 3 posts today that all have a SC theme. I just felt like it today Check out my "133t" Carrier post :P
Also, again in terms of a mission area; when people spam for LFM messages. "LFM tank be good!!11!!" It's stuff like that which will lead to the much-loved W/Mo in your party. "I am the invincable" - obviously not phrases like that as that is proper spelling. I personally like to, when looking for a warrior, say roughly:
"Beat your meat! We're looking for a tank for _______" Now, not descriptive - but I think from that you can tell I've lost seriousness when dealing with PUG's!
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In terms of "leetspeak":
Gosu means "skilled" in Korean. Originally used predomenently in StarCraft, the age of SlayerS_BoXeR, Nada, Yellow, and a multitude of other amazing players. On a side note, the "Boxer Build" is blocking your choke with 1 Barracks, and 1-2 Supply Depots to provide a block against the early Zealot/Dragoon while you build your first Siege tank in TvP. And yes, I've made 3 posts today that all have a SC theme. I just felt like it today Check out my "133t" Carrier post :P
IndyCC
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Originally Posted by stumpy
(as much as I hate it, I have to live with it, selective hearing, that must be my next skill to learn)
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by IndyCC
Is that an elite skill? What boss uses that and where can I capture it? I need to learn that one too.
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roflmao...I was gonna say that
kenris
theres too many idiots in this game
yesterday
i was trying to buy some scales to get a new armor
this guy pms me, saying he has some
i ask how much he wants, and he asks for an offer
so i give him an offer, i say 10 each
he says he needs 15 each, so i say fine, ill buy for that
then he starts saying he wants 20 each, he told me he would sell for 15, and after i agree he tries to raise it
i say no, you said 15, and thats the highest ill go, he says fine i meet with him
we start the trade, i put in the gold, he puts in the item
then cancels it
i trade him again
same thing happens
then he walks off and says, im not selling it, i want 20
then i say, ill find another to buy from
and, trying to help him sell, i tell him that next time he should say how much hes selling for if he wants a specific price, NOT do what he did and give one price, then raise
and he says "i dont need your advice. good bye. good bye. c ya never. im blocking you."
what the hells wrong with that idiot?
yesterday
i was trying to buy some scales to get a new armor
this guy pms me, saying he has some
i ask how much he wants, and he asks for an offer
so i give him an offer, i say 10 each
he says he needs 15 each, so i say fine, ill buy for that
then he starts saying he wants 20 each, he told me he would sell for 15, and after i agree he tries to raise it
i say no, you said 15, and thats the highest ill go, he says fine i meet with him
we start the trade, i put in the gold, he puts in the item
then cancels it
i trade him again
same thing happens
then he walks off and says, im not selling it, i want 20
then i say, ill find another to buy from
and, trying to help him sell, i tell him that next time he should say how much hes selling for if he wants a specific price, NOT do what he did and give one price, then raise
and he says "i dont need your advice. good bye. good bye. c ya never. im blocking you."
what the hells wrong with that idiot?
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by kenris
theres too many idiots in this game
yesterday i was trying to buy some scales to get a new armor this guy pms me, saying he has some i ask how much he wants, and he asks for an offer so i give him an offer, i say 10 each he says he needs 15 each, so i say fine, ill buy for that then he starts saying he wants 20 each, he told me he would sell for 15, and after i agree he tries to raise it i say no, you said 15, and thats the highest ill go, he says fine i meet with him we start the trade, i put in the gold, he puts in the item then cancels it i trade him again same thing happens then he walks off and says, im not selling it, i want 20 then i say, ill find another to buy from and, trying to help him sell, i tell him that next time he should say how much hes selling for if he wants a specific price, NOT do what he did and give one price, then raise and he says "i dont need your advice. good bye. good bye. c ya never. im blocking you." what the hells wrong with that idiot? |
if you still need the scales for your armor get me in game i'll give em to ya
IGN: Algren Cole
stumpy
ahhh you guys are funny ... that story just cracked me up .... maybe he was affraid you would magically rip him off with your Y/Eg skills or play some jedi minds tricks on him. *Chuckle*
LFM .... is spammed almost as much as ... 'What the hell is wrong with you monks? just accept dammit, Monks are so arrogant'
I love seeing those ... someone looking for monks, then insulting them, then starts calling for them again.
Or how about ... and my memory fades me, but I believe someone has already stated this at the beginning of this thread ... the guy in town who curses the ears in the public chat ... even after being asked to whisper, then curses at anyone defending why he can curse in public chat, until the whole town ignores him .... eventually calms down ... and starts recruiting for his guild again.... lol ... I love it.
LFM .... is spammed almost as much as ... 'What the hell is wrong with you monks? just accept dammit, Monks are so arrogant'
I love seeing those ... someone looking for monks, then insulting them, then starts calling for them again.
Or how about ... and my memory fades me, but I believe someone has already stated this at the beginning of this thread ... the guy in town who curses the ears in the public chat ... even after being asked to whisper, then curses at anyone defending why he can curse in public chat, until the whole town ignores him .... eventually calms down ... and starts recruiting for his guild again.... lol ... I love it.
bioxeed
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Originally Posted by stumpy
LFM .... is spammed almost as much as ... 'What the hell is wrong with you monks? just accept dammit, Monks are so arrogant'
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