Griffon Run

Crimson Knight

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Brotherhood of the Hidden Wind [BOHW]

N/Mo

well i dont have a longer enchant upgrade...will have to work on that. But the main problem is that while i find myself waiting for bonetti's to recharge, healing hands ends, causing me to take damage again, and I can't cyclone to regen, b/c i don't have enough energy b/c bonetti's isn't up yet.

Daren

Daren

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Denmark

For Fun, Fame and Skills

W/Mo

I have no problems doing this - remember bonettis req. tactic.. I have 8-9 seconds on it, and thats enough.

Ive killed breeze over symbol of wrath = much faster / easier killing all + bosses (:

Extremely Godlike

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Vancouver, BC

Kings of Ascension

W/Mo

do you use a sword Daren?? If you do could you tell me the skills that you use in this besides Symbol of Wrath? I would appreciate it very much

Crimson Knight

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Brotherhood of the Hidden Wind [BOHW]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daren
I have no problems doing this - remember bonettis req. tactic.. I have 8-9 seconds on it, and thats enough.

Ive killed breeze over symbol of wrath = much faster / easier killing all + bosses (:
Yes, but no matter what lvl tactics you have, it still needs 8 adr. to recharge, and thats the problem I'm having trouble with

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

I still like what I use the best. Life never gets low unless I get arrogant. Gladiator's Defense, Watch Yourself, Healing Breeze, Mending, Balthazar's Spirit, Bonetti's, Dolyak Signet, Zealot's Fire. 9 Healing/Smiting, 3 + 1 Strength, 8 + 1 Sword, 10 + 4 Tactics. You always have a 75% chance to block, 10 pips of regen, and deal damage fast with Watch Yourself and Dolyak Signet being spammed when filled. Distracting Shot is nothing to worry about since your spells are too fast, and Bonetti's is always filled long before it needs to be used for the second time.

Edit: For some reason writing C o c k y (except without the spaces) puts that Go Red Engine thing in it's place? Uh, why?

Nasenbluten

Nasenbluten

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

VA BABY

Morbid Anihillation

R/Me

I can take pretty much the whole zone with my w/mo build

i didnt even do my 2nd 15 attrib quest yet and i can do it

Attribs
11 axe
9 str
8 heal
10 tactics

Skills
Gladiators Defense
cyclone axe
mending
healing breeze
Bonettis Defense
vigorous spirit
live vicariously
shield stance(i use this if im low on health and need a quick fix to losing bonnetis if i want to heal)

i got a 2:1 vamp haft +25 health on my axe,and a 16 armor -1 while stance shield

Basically Same deal staying alive when mobbed with cyclone axe and bonneti's
-I cast mend get the first 3 mino's to chase
-cast live vicariously(no energy regen now so i attack the mino's until bonneti's charges, get 20 start running again)
-aggro what i need,cast gladiators,then cast vigorus spirit
-cyclone (bonneti's recharged,but i dont use it until gladiator's falls which with 10 tactics is about 2 cyclone axe's)
-repeat the cyclone bonneti's until vig runs out then gladiators and vigorous

i really dont need the healing breeze/shield stance but it helps if you see your health drop below 50% before cyclone recharges (which basically means your dead pretty soon, the trick mainly is to spam the hell outta bonneti's i usually mash the button before i have adren. to use it i can take the whole zone with ease, although i do mess it up time to time because i smkoe too much and get MJ Retardation (wink,wink)

hope that helped someone
EDIT: Update, no need for the vamp axe vig spirit and live vicariously alone can keep you alive, plus an axe with some armor penetration and +14%while enchanted helps kill faster

Lynnrose

Lynnrose

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

SoF Victrix [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryun
Has anyone done a calculation of the XP gained per hour doing the min/griff run versus doing the mountain troll cave run outside the Forge? Putting aside the value of the better drops from the desert run, I'm curious to see which is more efficient. I'm willing to do both for an hour, chart the total XP gained, and post the results. Is anyone else willing to do the same (to increase the sample size)?

<snip>

Anyway, I'll try to gather the XP data and post it this weekend.
The results are . . . almost exactly the same. Without using any scrolls, I gained roughly 1.5 skill points per hour in both locations. Given that the drops are noticeably better with the desert run, that's where I go most of the time. When I get no purples or golds from a run, I switch to the trolls for a few times then back to the desert.

noblepaladin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

I found that this run is actually much easier than you would think. It is actually possible to do it just with Mending (used to horde monsters), Live Vicariously, Cyclone Axe, and Bonetti's Defense. First use Mending, then Live Vicariously after your energy fills up. After hording the monsters, you can Cyclone Axe and then Bonetti's immediately. Now this is the part where some people fail, they decide to cast something. Bonetti's is awesome for filling up your mana, but it also gives 75% chance to avoid attacks. Cyclone Axe along with live vicariously should be able to fill up about half your health if not more. You can just stand there with bonettis (assume you have a few points in tactics) until you can cyclone axe and bonettis again, with each cyclone axe putting you up to max health (make sure you click like crazy on bonetti's during your cyclone axe, because if you are 1 second too slow you will lose tremendous amounts of health during that second). If you get the timing right, those 4 skills are all what you need to be able to complete the run, meaning it is possible to do it without any elites. However, I did have superior absorption and the best armor available, but it should be possible if you don't have the absolute best stuff if you add in vigorous spirit (making cyclone axe heal you up to 100% every time). The key is to realize that you are only taking significant damage when bonettis is off and timing your casts so that bonettis will stay on for as long as possible (i.e. if you must cast a spell, cast it while bonettis is on and just before cyclone axe fills up, so once the spell is done, which turns off bonettis, you can axe and then turn it on within a second). So, non ascended people with the collectors armor can do this run! I figured this out while trying to use the same build against other monsters that could interrupt, and I often found my Vigorous spirit, healing breeze, Zealots fire, and sometimes even healing hands interrupted, but they cannot interrupt my cyclone axe because I do it while I have bonettis on, so I avoid their interrupts. I usually just survive off cyclone axe and bonettis until my other spells come back, but it's definitely possible to do it without the other skills, although it takes quite long.

Nawn Centz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Tombs of Primeval Kings.

W/

Umm, I'm sorry but I've done both 15 attribute quests and I can get no where near the 12 axe mastery, 12 strength, 9 healing, 8 smiting and 4 tactics. The closest I can get is 5 Healing, 6 smiting, 11 strength, 11 axe mastery and 4 tactics. Even with runes I wouldn't be able to get it all to what you said. ?? Help?

Ishamael Sedai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

I have to give kal credit for first showing me this, but a modified version is this.

8 healing, 11 smiting, 2 str., 12 axe, 10 tactics

skills

rez sig (just joking )

mending, bal spirit, vig spirit, bal aura, symbol of wrath, healing hands, cyclone axe, and bonetti's defense

I find this build more effective for taking down the monk boss and it kills them quickly. The drawback is that it requires gladiators armor, and without live vicariously you can die quicker if you are not careful.

Bml Angrymuffin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

ale

W/E

i have a question about that ish, does ur warrior seem weaker that u lowered ur str? because wen i lowered my warriors str and farmed i got owned

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

If you do this with a sword (W/Mo)

Healing - 9
Sword - 9
Tactics - 9+1+3 = 13

Skills: Orison of Healing, Sever Artery, Healing Breeze, Bonetti's Defense, Gladiator's Defense, Zealots Fire, Mending, Balth Spirirt.

I took out Watch Yourself and added Sever Artery to help kill the bosses quicker.

Kratos The Impaler

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Michigan

Majestic Guard

W/Mo

i have a perfect 20% axe grip of enchanting which is perfect for these runs if anyone wants it. also i have a great axe max dmg. (req. 9), +15% > 50, enchantments last 20% longer, 10/8 sunder. message me here or in game if you are interested.

3LvL20'sROast_Stealer

3LvL20'sROast_Stealer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

River Tale Scad

Mo/W

If you do the same area and same monsters over and over again you get a warning that says "if you kill the same monsters repeatedly in the same area the drop rate will lower.Try killing monsters in different areas"...i have a secret spot that requires much less running that is similar to that but only more monsters and i can kill them much faster and lose much less hp .. but im jelous of your video making skills

The undead Mesmer

The undead Mesmer

Delphian Scribe

Join Date: May 2005

Holland

No guild ;_;

N/Me

hmmm i think i can hear a nerf-bat swinging its wednesday ya knw

Kasperson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fin Knights

R/E

Finally I did the same thing on myself, but without that Healing Hands. I got my first 50k in under 3 hours, so it is very easy way to get money, experience and a lot of rare items. It is easy if you can just figure out the right timing and have some luck with you.

Commodore_Mcawesome

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dignity Glory Strength [DGS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Hell/gw051.jpg

Me in that same spot Didn't know it was a secret or anything, I've been going there for ages (I can hear the nerfbat coming). I've had some good times there, decent drops.

I decided to keep my build a secret, although I'm sure most of you can guess it right off the bat. And props for managing that to the OP, didn't think you could with a warrior.

healer of u

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

israeli warfare

Mo/R

sentinel, he uses bonetti defense which recharges energy (i dont remember the skill exactly)

Landorf Dranglor

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chino Hills

Xtreme Team

W/Mo

WOW!! im just wondering but...how much do u get frm each of these runs??

str1k3r

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

n/a

W/Mo

a can u tell me wat axe he using i cant c the video cleanly... u guy use wat to watch i watch cant c the word cleanly??

UberRusty

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

amsterdam, where male prostitution is legal

[GGG] Gay Guild Gals

W/R

Quote:
a can u tell me wat axe he using i cant c the video cleanly... u guy use wat to watch i watch cant c the word cleanly??
The guy already said you wouldn't be able to see the words cleanly. If you read his first post he described his axes.

bitorrent

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/W

I finally got my Monk/Warrior build working and with some help with the OP I have it perfected for the griffon run. Although, I lose quite a bit of health (down to 15) at the end but it's all taken care of. Basically, I use the 17 Cast of Protective Bond that gives me 1 energy down for each hit. I also used Essence/Spirit to get 2 energy when i get hit. So its +1 energy every time I get attacked. that adds up to a lot of energy. The firs tthing I do is cast healing breeze followed by zealots fire followed by bonettis and then aura. then I keep spamming divine boon for stops on breeze and bonettis. There you go, easy stuff. With that, you can probably figure the build. Key stone is Divine Boon which heals me for about 50 cause of my divine favor and damages for about 30 because of zealot's fire.

3LvL20'sROast_Stealer

3LvL20'sROast_Stealer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

River Tale Scad

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by bitorrent
I finally got my Monk/Warrior build working and with some help with the OP I have it perfected for the griffon run. Although, I lose quite a bit of health (down to 15) at the end but it's all taken care of. Basically, I use the 17 Cast of Protective Bond that gives me 1 energy down for each hit. I also used Essence/Spirit to get 2 energy when i get hit. So its +1 energy every time I get attacked. that adds up to a lot of energy. The firs tthing I do is cast healing breeze followed by zealots fire followed by bonettis and then aura. then I keep spamming divine boon for stops on breeze and bonettis. There you go, easy stuff. With that, you can probably figure the build. Key stone is Divine Boon which heals me for about 50 cause of my divine favor and damages for about 30 because of zealot's fire.
I do the same thing, put on zealots and spam divine boon and when i run out of eng. i put on healing hands recharge with essence... but u say u use essence/spirit, what is spirit that gives u +1 eng. per hit?????

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

Balth's spirit adds energy and adren per hit.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

Heres the build i use:

W/Mo
Healing: 9
Smiting: 10
Protection: 4
Tactics: 8 + 2 (From helm and rune)

1) Gladiators Defence
2) Vig Spirit
3) Cyclone Axe
4) Bonetti's Defence
5) Sheilding Hands
6) Healing Breeze
7) Balthaza's Aura
8) Mending

Ok first round up your chosen melle creatures.
Cast 1
STAND STILL
Cast 2
Cast 3 (to get Bonetti's Defence fully charged in 1 swing)
Cast 5
WAIT FOR GLADIATOR'S DEFENCE TO END
Cast 4
Cast 6
Cast 3
Cast 4
Cast 7
Cast 3
Cast 4
WAIT TILL GLADIATOR'S RECHARGES (should be another 5 seconds or so)
Cast 1
Cast 2
Cast 3
Cast 5
(Usually by now everything is dead)
WAIT FOR GLADIATOR'S DEFENCE TO END
Cast 4
Cast 7

As for equipment, as long as u use an axe with a +10% enchantment grip you'll be fine. I recently got a max dmg, 15%dmg enchantment with 20% enchantmen grip - so i use that now (i found that on a griffin run)

As for shield i use the collectors shield outside rankor, -2 dmg when in a stance.

As for armor i use:
Ascalon's Helmet with a minor tactic
Glad Chest with minor strength
Glad Leg with minor axe
Glad Gloves with major vigor
Glad Boots with major absorption
This gives total of 521 health and 27 energy which is needed for this build.

I cannot afford a superior so eh

As for the amount of creatures i can kill, well i usually end up grouping most of the griffons and minos around there, definetely more than 20.

As for loot i found, well they have been pretty good i.e +1 marksmenship grip (20% chance). IF only i could sell them.

the bloodthirst

the bloodthirst

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Wherever isnt gonna get me shot

Champions Horizon

Mo/W

this is totally off topic but when i try and watch the video the colors are all messed up. i am watching in windows media player. can anyone help me. this video sounds awesome.

Hellboy640

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Infinitus Concentus

W/Mo

I do these runs also but not all at once i do in 2 groups but i would like to know

A)how do u do em both cuz im using glads defense instead of healing hands
B)how do u kill the bosses so fast
C) in order to do A and B do i need healing hands? thanks in advance man ur my hero.

aB-

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

I found a much faster build. My APPROXIMATE attributes are:

10 smiting
10+1 strength
8 axe mastery
8 healing
2 tactics

My reasoning: I need 8 in healing for the +3 mending. I need 8 in axe mastery to use my axe (REQ=8). I need 11 strength to use my shield (the +1 comes from the helm). The rest go into smiting for more damage, and whatever doesn't go into that goes into tactics.

My skill setup is as follows:

Cyclone Axe
Bonetti's Defense
Healing Hands
Zealot's Fire
Mending
Balthazar's Aura
Vigorous Spirit
Balthazar's Spirit

Start out after you zone by casting mending and balthazar's spirit. This will bring you down to 0 energy regeneration, but that is not a problem. Collect them mobs, then stop and cast healing hands followed by zealot's fire. Balthazar's spirit gives 1 energy every time you're hit, so you should be full on energy to use Balthazar's aura* followed by vigorous spirit.

You then survive with cyclone axe and bonetti's defense until healing hands is recharged. By this point I find most of the griffons/minotaurs are already dead, and the stragglers are now coming up to fight. When healing hands is ready again, cast it and balthazar's aura which should be recharged by then. Follow that up with a cyclone and bonetti's then zealot's fire and vigorous spirit when they are ready.

With balthazar's aura, it's 20 damage a second for 10 seconds, not counting an enchantment grip, which can equate to 200+ extra damage.

*note that you MUST be wearing something to boost your mana above 25, whether it be a healing ankh or gladiator's armor. Personally, I use gladiator's armor and one piece of knight's armor, which boosts my energy up to 26.

As for weapon and shield, I use a max damage 3:-1 vampiric axe 13%>50 with a 16% longer enchantment grip. 16% seems to be the cut-off point for 12 seconds of healing hands/balthazar's aura. My shield has 16 defense and -2 armor received while enchanted.

I hope this helps kill the griffons faster. It certainly does for me, so give it a try.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellboy640
I do these runs also but not all at once i do in 2 groups but i would like to know

A)how do u do em both cuz im using glads defense instead of healing hands
B)how do u kill the bosses so fast
C) in order to do A and B do i need healing hands? thanks in advance man ur my hero.
look at post 265

badassmonkee

badassmonkee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Capital Of The Highlands

XoO

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darksci
Heres the build i use:

W/Mo
Healing: 9
Smiting: 10
Protection: 4
Tactics: 8 + 2 (From helm and rune)

1) Gladiators Defence
2) Vig Spirit
3) Cyclone Axe
4) Bonetti's Defence
5) Sheilding Hands
6) Healing Breeze
7) Balthaza's Aura
8) Mending

Ok first round up your chosen melle creatures.
Cast 1
STAND STILL
Cast 2
Cast 3 (to get Bonetti's Defence fully charged in 1 swing)
Cast 5
WAIT FOR GLADIATOR'S DEFENCE TO END
Cast 4
Cast 6
Cast 3
Cast 4
Cast 7
Cast 3
Cast 4
WAIT TILL GLADIATOR'S RECHARGES (should be another 5 seconds or so)
Cast 1
Cast 2
Cast 3
Cast 5
(Usually by now everything is dead)
WAIT FOR GLADIATOR'S DEFENCE TO END
Cast 4
Cast 7

As for equipment, as long as u use an axe with a +10% enchantment grip you'll be fine. I recently got a max dmg, 15%dmg enchantment with 20% enchantmen grip - so i use that now (i found that on a griffin run)

As for shield i use the collectors shield outside rankor, -2 dmg when in a stance.

As for armor i use:
Ascalon's Helmet with a minor tactic
Glad Chest with minor strength
Glad Leg with minor axe
Glad Gloves with major vigor
Glad Boots with major absorption
This gives total of 521 health and 27 energy which is needed for this build.

I cannot afford a superior so eh

As for the amount of creatures i can kill, well i usually end up grouping most of the griffons and minos around there, definetely more than 20.

As for loot i found, well they have been pretty good i.e +1 marksmenship grip (20% chance). IF only i could sell them.

so you have no attribs in axe?? :\

Oy Roy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/W

When i use mending and live vicariously they are taken off somehow by either the spiders or the monk boss, its killin me =[

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

spiders? where are you trying to farm...?

knives

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oy Roy
When i use mending and live vicariously they are taken off somehow by either the spiders or the monk boss, its killin me =[
You probably mean scorpions and they use distracting shot. You have to just try to chain the skills as fast as you can. Usually on bad monster spawn runs I get either LV or zealots distracted. I can usually survive w/o zealots, but LV makes it tough, but not impossible.

Otherwise you are fighting scarabs which use chillbains.

[BBF]Lordshonsu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

Celestial Twilight

Will i be able to do it with a sword W/Mo?? cause i would LOVE to do that

Antonio Cappello

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Shimmering Blade

E/Me

Kudos to the OP, that video is awesome. On a side-note, Gaile says that farming is 100% ok, but if so why can only monk and warriors farm good areas? I mean there must be some creatures in the desert that are weak to elemental damage.

badassmonkee

badassmonkee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Capital Of The Highlands

XoO

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkane
Why would you need attribute points in axe? If you get the jist of what everyone is saying, or even half-read some of the posts in this topic, you'll see many are using a zealous axe. Zealous axe + cyclone axe = lots of energy, considering all the griffons are swarming around you. All the damage is being done via spells, NOT by the axe itself.
wait...people are getting energy off a zealous axe and cyclone? I thought they were getting it off cyclone and bonneti's :\

Also i do get the jist of what people are saying, i was just asking. Please stop being patronizing..

badassmonkee

badassmonkee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Capital Of The Highlands

XoO

W/N

Ah ok, no problem. Its just if they use mending, and zealous you have no regen, And minus energy with another enchantment on top of that. I wasnt actually using the op's build but the one i quoted a page back. Smiting with an ele is so much easier so i guess im gonna have to keep on doing this till i get it right :\

Anyway thanks for clearing that up for me, no hard feelings eh?

Varanty

Varanty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Sydney, Australia

world of warcraft is better

W/Mo

I'm a W/Mo
I can farm up to 18 griffons/minotours at one time (maybe more if they stop running away)

1)Cyclone Axe
2)Bonneti's defence
3)Symbol of Wrath
4)Balthazaars aura
5)Healing Hands
6)Vigorous Spirit
7) Balthazaars Spirit
8) Mending

Picker up a perfect moonbow on saturday doing this

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by [BBF]Lordshonsu
Will i be able to do it with a sword W/Mo?? cause i would LOVE to do that
I think I posted earlier what my w/mo uses (and he uses a sword).

Gladiator's Defense
Watch Yourself
Healing Breeze
Mending
Balthazar's Aura
Bonetti's Defense
Balthazar's Spirit
Zealot's Fire

Smiting: 9
Healing: 9
Sword: 9
Tactics: 14
Leftover in strength (just cause)

I have a weapon on switch that gives me enough plus to energy to throw up Balthazar's since the warrior only has a natural 20. I could get some Gladiator's, but I'd rather not risk salvaging my superior vigor/absorption.

powdahound

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Troy, NY, USA

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
I have a weapon on switch that gives me enough plus to energy to throw up Balthazar's since the warrior only has a natural 20. I could get some Gladiator's, but I'd rather not risk salvaging my superior vigor/absorption.
You can always just buy a second set. I have a full set of plate and another of gladiator's and knights mix. I have major vigor and absorption and can do these runs just fine. You definitely don't need the superiors for anything in PvE really.

Also, if anybody cares; I run a slightly modified build where I have 3 permenant enchantments: Balth Spirit, Mending, and Live Vicariously. I put up mending and balth spirit at the start, then once i engage I throw up bonetti's and then put on live vicariously. This way I have -1 energy regen but that really doesn't change a single thing until you get down to 1 or 2 griffons at the end, in which case you could just take off live vicariously. The benefit to having both of these is that once you target one of the griffons and start hacking away at it you get +20 health every 1.3 seconds and it seems to really help a lot. If the griffon you've targeted dies just make sure you switch to another. Of course, you also get double health for a cyclone axe swing too.