As long as idiotics threads like this one are posted by the same negative people, I couldn't care less.
Most companies are not as responding as Anet is, we get an update every week or so and you keep complaining? Updates daily? You guys have issues. You deserve games like Everquest 2.
I hope these crybabies leave the game AND GwGuru forum (which I consider a gem in the gem) as soon as possible, though it will never be soon enough.
The future of updates on gw looks bleak
Mormegil
IndyCC
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and they expect to be successful with that business plan?
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If the company is bigger than I am led onto believe or if it is more corporate based and not a group of people who knew each other decently well before forming than bits of this logic fade.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by IndyCC
It is actually a fantastic business plan for a small(er-ish) company of what appear to people who are pretty close to each other. All the programers work on this game drawing out a salary then when game slows up fold the company open a new company for New Game X and continue to draw salary. Repeat as needed. Since game companies are largely victims of eventual bankrupcy or buy out seems to be a good plan to get the money out while you they can.
If the company is bigger than I am led onto believe or if it is more corporate based and not a group of people who knew each other decently well before forming than bits of this logic fade. |
actually...that logic does make sense if arenanet is what you described it as...I can see that being a perfectly good business plan.
minus the fact that they build no type of reputation.. Game Company A has good reputation ->Game A Stops selling -> Game Company A becomes Game Company B (no reputation at all) -> Game Company B has to hope the game they are building has a large enough fanbase.....if not, it'll flop.
IndyCC
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actually...that logic does make sense if arenanet is what you described it as...I can see that being a perfectly good business plan.
minus the fact that they build no type of reputation.. Game Company A has good reputation ->Game A Stops selling -> Game Company A becomes Game Company B (no reputation at all) -> Game Company B has to hope the game they are building has a large enough fanbase.....if not, it'll flop. |
Remember Interplay or Micropose (Ah X-Com)...Most companies build up a repuation only to fold up or be bought out by another game company that will either fold up or be bought out by another game company that will either fold up or be bought out, etc. So I am not sure that there is much company branding as their is franchise branding or game branding. For example I think Squaresoft only has an image more because it's franchise has a brand value.
Ascension
Does anyone notice the fact that the negative side has just been repetidly shafted without remorse? It's great! Obviously Guild Wars is no where near perfect, but if you look at what the game is based upon; you realize Anet is the good in the sea of evil. Not destroying the series for cash - StarCraft: Ghost would be an example for Blizzard, not forcing you to pay excess amounts if you don't want to, etc etc. Give them time to sort out the game. Give them time to add more meat to the bones, give them time to make you stop running under bridges every time, give them some breathing space!
EDIT: On the note of Blizzard, !@#$ them. GG SC2, hello POS SC:G. They will never be an RTS company again, as seen by Wc3.
EDIT: On the note of Blizzard, !@#$ them. GG SC2, hello POS SC:G. They will never be an RTS company again, as seen by Wc3.
Algren Cole
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Ah true, but from my experience reputation in the gaming industry has only helped one company, Blizzard, and now that reputation seems to be hurting them as everyone has such high expectations from them that they can not deliver.
Remember Interplay or Micropose (Ah X-Com)...Most companies build up a repuation only to fold up or be bought out by another game company that will either fold up or be bought out by another game company that will either fold up or be bought out, etc. So I am not sure that there is much company branding as their is franchise branding or game branding. For example I think Squaresoft only has an image more because it's franchise has a brand value. |
Sholter: Eventually Guild Wars will lose it's appeal...eventually people are going to get tired of playing it...and at that point ArenaNet should have something to fall back on. I hope they are very successful..I think they've done an amazing job with this game and I thoroughly enjoy it....but it sounds to me that they're trying to milk the consumer dry without ever producing anything. If they never make another game....and continue to sell you expansions they never have to do any real programming...the engines stay the same they just put new filler in.....
Rethan Soulfire
You have no right to complain about this, you paid one single fee (box fee) for GW. What game companies develop release and patch their game after its gone live, minus game ending bugs? Until GW ups some monthly fee, then you have a right to complain. GW is what it is. Don't get confused with what it isn't. Anet cannot endlessly patch or add content for free when they make absolutely no revenue on it. They are still a business and they must make a profit. Every piece of content and patch you get should please you, even if its a bug fix. Stop being ungreatful unless you want to pay 10-15 bucks a month for a weekly update.
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Aracos79
Sorry, after seeing that Bioware comment I just have to jump in. "Jade Empire" was a steaming pile. The whole thing felt like a beta test for their new IP. It was poorly fleshed out. The whole thing just had an incomplete feel to it. Yes it was gorgeous, but the gameplay and storyline were a complete joke.
Back to the topic: ArenaNet, you can cash my check for the next expansion right now. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers. Guild Wars is the most fun I've had on my PC since the first Half-Life.
Back to the topic: ArenaNet, you can cash my check for the next expansion right now. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers. Guild Wars is the most fun I've had on my PC since the first Half-Life.
Aniewiel
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Back to the topic: ArenaNet, you can cash my check for the next expansion right now. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers. Guild Wars is the most fun I've had on my PC since the first Half-Life.
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Samorn
I expected this to happen anyway because with no monthly fee there is little to no reason (economically) to make big upgrades and stuff like in Everquest or Wow. Just remember you get what you pay for.
john little
Once again, proof that players will complain about anything. If there is a patch, players complain. If there isn't a patch, players complain. If PvP is boosted, PvE'ers complain. If PvE is boosted, PvP'ers complain.
All the while, the silent majority keep playing and are glad to see cool stuff added for no extra charge.
All the while, the silent majority keep playing and are glad to see cool stuff added for no extra charge.
Sam Katha
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I expected this to happen anyway because with no monthly fee there is little to no reason (economically) to make big upgrades and stuff like in Everquest or Wow. Just remember you get what you pay for.
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how do you explain the free updates that are coming though?
Sorrows furnace
Grenth's footprint
observer mode for PvP
I didn't pay for those. But they are still giving them to me. Damn you ArenaNet! how dare you not live up to the cliche.
Aniewiel
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Originally Posted by john little
Once again, proof that players will complain about anything. If there is a patch, players complain. If there isn't a patch, players complain. If PvP is boosted, PvE'ers complain. If PvE is boosted, PvP'ers complain.
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EternalTempest
I would not jump on the poster for his observation. I personally disagree his conclusion about them moving on (future system changes, expansions, etc being worked on and other things brought up in the posts) with it and Anet has done a fantastic job with GW.
I can see why they felt that way, updates were so frequent and unexpected for so long they felt normal.
The whole massive pvp update and the hint about pve future update give me the impression there something big in the works and will take time to develop and beta test it. I rembeer Gale mentioned about testing out the pvp system to make sure it was good after it was done.
The bigger the game gets / bigger the user base the more careful they have to think about changing the game. The pvp system added to the existing system (not changed the previous unlock system) the first update that change the basics of the game is a risk for losing a lot of people.
I can see why they felt that way, updates were so frequent and unexpected for so long they felt normal.
The whole massive pvp update and the hint about pve future update give me the impression there something big in the works and will take time to develop and beta test it. I rembeer Gale mentioned about testing out the pvp system to make sure it was good after it was done.
The bigger the game gets / bigger the user base the more careful they have to think about changing the game. The pvp system added to the existing system (not changed the previous unlock system) the first update that change the basics of the game is a risk for losing a lot of people.
stumpy
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If they never make another game....and continue to sell you expansions they never have to do any real programming...the engines stay the same they just put new filler in.....
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I expected this to happen anyway because with no monthly fee there is little to no reason (economically) to make big upgrades and stuff like in Everquest or Wow. Just remember you get what you pay for.
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GW in its birth is doing amazing. The response Anet gives to fan feedback is superb, the game is fantasitc and I will pay for all of my friends to be in with chapter 1 and 2 in my guild.
Aniewiel
They can also do something like Bioware is doing with NWN: They will continue to support NWN1 once the sequel comes out in several ways. They are planning to continue the patch process and "premium" mods and whatnot. They are also updating the engine for NWN2 and giving the game a new look and new story.
I can easily see ANet doing something along these lines as well as the years go on.
I can easily see ANet doing something along these lines as well as the years go on.
Tactical-Dillusions
Nice to see a constructive and articulate topic for once. 
I too am looking forward to the expansion, especially the treats that are in store for PvE (whatever that might be).
ArenaNet can come round to my house for lunch and meet my Gran...they have earned my gratitude for creating this beautiful game and keeping us all in the news and regularly updated.
Already have my expansion money set aside for you guys!
I too am looking forward to the expansion, especially the treats that are in store for PvE (whatever that might be).
ArenaNet can come round to my house for lunch and meet my Gran...they have earned my gratitude for creating this beautiful game and keeping us all in the news and regularly updated.
Already have my expansion money set aside for you guys!
WeiPing
Give people an inch, and they'll take a mile.
Or in this case, give people a mile, and they'll take an au.
Or in this case, give people a mile, and they'll take an au.
Vilaptca
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Once again, proof that players will complain about anything. If there is a patch, players complain. If there isn't a patch, players complain. If PvP is boosted, PvE'ers complain. If PvE is boosted, PvP'ers complain.
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If I was in Pyschology, or didn't fail it last semester, I would do a study on gamers and why they complain about everything...but I can't...because I failed Pyschology...
Arvydas
How could you expect devs to put out updates so often? Other than bug fixes, every other updates require planning, development, testing, release, maintenance. Rinse and repeat. How much do you think they can do in a week? How much can YOU do in a week?
I don't know if they can support themselves, but they have put a lot of effort into maintenance (which is already the hardest thing in software development cycle) and further developments (which are not required). please appreciate them before complaining.
i'll leave some money for the expansion as well, unless i really can't find time (i guess i'll ALWAYS have time to play GW regardless, LOL)
I don't know if they can support themselves, but they have put a lot of effort into maintenance (which is already the hardest thing in software development cycle) and further developments (which are not required). please appreciate them before complaining.
i'll leave some money for the expansion as well, unless i really can't find time (i guess i'll ALWAYS have time to play GW regardless, LOL)
hydrak
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Remember the good old days when they updated almost daily?
Then they went down to major updates on wednesdays? Now they seem to be going down to major updates EVERY OTHER wednesday...... I am almost positive tommorow we will have no update and just have a little note saying whatever they will be updating NEXT WEEK. It's only a matter of time before we dont even get a note anymore and wont recieve updates for months at a time........... I don't understand why they cant constantly post even 15 minutes a day and tell us what there plans are...... If i was working there i would constantly be on forums like these looking for ideas and answering questions. They surely must have a costumer consumer rep so why cant he/she keep us up to date. |
KaPe
"because I failed Pyschology..."
Well, no shit, if you couldn't even spell it right
Bact to topic, I wonder how much crying will be there tommorow - since it's Wednesday and supposed patch date - but nothing has yet been announced, so there might not be patch.
Edit to below - that's why I added " " It was a pyschological trick and you fell for it Or not, who knows.
Well, no shit, if you couldn't even spell it right
Bact to topic, I wonder how much crying will be there tommorow - since it's Wednesday and supposed patch date - but nothing has yet been announced, so there might not be patch.
Edit to below - that's why I added "
" It was a pyschological trick and you fell for it Or not, who knows.
Aniewiel
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive but WHY do we have to grief people over spelling errors? If their entire message was filled with them, fine. But one or two? Give 'em a break. We all do it, for Pete's sake.
Also, I don't suppose it occured to you that he intentionally misspelled "psychology" since he failed it (ostensibly, that is)?
Also, I don't suppose it occured to you that he intentionally misspelled "psychology" since he failed it (ostensibly, that is)?
aknox
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99% of the gw are morons and could never figure out how to hack a game
For the 1% that do? O well its 1% who cares if they get 150,000 gold from a buggy update. I much rather have the update and have fun instead of waiting. |
kirgr526
Posts like this frustrate me, why do games, no matter how good, attract so many detractors. People seem to have a warped sense of entitlement, just follow with me here a bit. ANet is providing new areas, new features (rune traders, the new scrolls, improving skill capture), new PVP functionality, as well as regular major bug fixes and and this is on top of an already great game. Is it just me or all the things they are adding are about the equvalent of a regular games expansion pack? And we aren't paying anything for it? Excuse me, but ANet is providing more support for thier community (as well as listen more to it) than any other game I have participated in, seen or heard of. It's time for some people to join the rest of the real world or just plain leave. It's time that ANet got the credit that they richly deserve.
P.S. ANet also already has my money for the expansion, if its as good and as big as the current game is my head might just explode when I first play it.
P.S. ANet also already has my money for the expansion, if its as good and as big as the current game is my head might just explode when I first play it.
Silmor
Don't let this thread frustrate you, internopsp is just trolling. Nobody can be foolish enough to confuse the hourly fixes to small issues during a couple of three-day beta periods for a template of a post-launch update schedule, but calling 99% of the GW population morons should be enough to clue anyone in about his intentions.
Mister Pie
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Apparently, you're one of the ones who DIDN'T come from World of Warcraft.
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internopsp
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Don't let this thread frustrate you, internopsp is just trolling. Nobody can be foolish enough to confuse the hourly fixes to small issues during a couple of three-day beta periods for a template of a post-launch update schedule, but calling 99% of the GW population morons should be enough to clue anyone in about his intentions.
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I am a moron too when it comes to that stuff. but they should not release a great content filler JUST BECAUSE few stupid 1337 ppl could crack it or whatever. For the few percentage that do? Wow gj and they get there accounts banned. And then gw fixes it at a later date. BUT WE STILL HAVE THE COOL UPDATES.
DrSLUGFly
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I don't understand why they cant constantly post even 15 minutes a day and tell us what there plans are......
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They need a contining story, more items, and more areas like uw and fow.
Algren Cole
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Maybe I'm just overly sensitive but WHY do we have to grief people over spelling errors? If their entire message was filled with them, fine. But one or two? Give 'em a break. We all do it, for Pete's sake.
Also, I don't suppose it occured to you that he intentionally misspelled "psychology" since he failed it (ostensibly, that is)? |
it's a way to pruve yer smert
Sam Katha
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Yea im serious. THEY SHOULD HAVE PEOPLE ON FORUMS GETTING FEED BACK. Obviously GW has seriously flaws and is lacking that one element called FUN. I beat the game and did the missions. NOW WHAT? Lets mindlessly kill ppl in pvp. YAYAYAY after 2 weeks you lost all interest.
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Sir Skullcrasher
i agree! GW don't need to keep getting patched if the game is already fun for everyone
and internopsp stop being a moron and flame other people before you get ban from the forum.. Good day to you sucka!
and internopsp stop being a moron and flame other people before you get ban from the forum.. Good day to you sucka!
stumpy
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Yea im serious. THEY SHOULD HAVE PEOPLE ON FORUMS GETTING FEED BACK. Obviously GW has seriously flaws and is lacking that one element called FUN. I beat the game and did the missions. NOW WHAT? Lets mindlessly kill ppl in pvp. YAYAYAY after 2 weeks you lost all interest.
They need a contining story, more items, and more areas like uw and fow. |
so your a hero who has beat the game and did all the missions and quest *hands you a cookie* want another ... so you say NOW WHAT?
tell me you have all the skills I will give you one more. I play 6 hours a night (yes no life ty for noticing, bbq, beer and gw), played since many betas ago like nov, beat the game with 2 characters have 2 others ascended dropped 2 off by the wilds, have all the ranger skills all but 2 mesmer elites, 4 monk, 4 necro elites, blah blah blah brag brag brag ... *guess what* I still gotta unlock all the skills just like the rest of us. I have fun doing it too, travelling with new people, the humour in a good group is priceless.
There are many aspects of fun still here amigo
internopsp
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Now I know you're trolling. You've been on this forum long enough to know who Gail and Alex are.
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Not trying to sound mean but not everyone reads every thread. I just read my threads and maybe a few others that look interesting.
they have never responded to one of my threads so thus i have never seen them
Algren Cole
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I dont read other posts. I really didn't know who they were. I have never saw them make a thread. Maybe because i dont read past the first page?
Not trying to sound mean but not everyone reads every thread. I just read my threads and maybe a few others that look interesting. they have never responded to one of my threads so thus i have never seen them |
Sam Katha
drowningfish999
All these people complain that there's nothing to do once you've beaten the storyline. I'd hate to see them play offline games...
P.S. Gail and Alex are Arena.Net workers that post on important topics, usually relating to recent updates.
P.S. Gail and Alex are Arena.Net workers that post on important topics, usually relating to recent updates.
DarkAynjil
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This thread is nothing but blatant bitching by someone who doesn;t understand anything about what he speaks about.
Updates are fewer now because this isn't beta anymore and there are fewer critical bugs to be corrected and tweaks to be made. There was no update 2 weeks ago because they were working on a massive PvP update with the faction system and obviously such an undertaking wasn't doable in 1 week. So far Anet has done a good job keeping up with the boards and atleast addressing a good number of issues in their patches. They've been far more attentive then Verent, SoE, or Blizzard have been to their communities for their games. Give it a rest, we already have the PvPers bitching like clockwork every week. |
You wanna see BAD support - go play a game produced by VUgames (VUG) that isn't WoW or Half-Life2 (their Current FOTY).
Anyone who played D2 LOD remembers waiting for 1.10 --- took a looooooong time to get 1.10 patch out, but when they did, it was well worth it. Blizzard is ok in my book. A-Net has really supported this game well, IMHO. They seem to listen to communities a lot more than other game companies do, and so far, they have fixed bugs and added new content (no matter how minor, new stuff is new stuff) pretty quickly and regularly.
The original poster is proof that if you handed out ten dollar bills to a crowd, someone would bitch that it wasn't a hundred.