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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
Arena net has already stopped botters.
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uhm....no they haven't. Nerfing areas where botters go doesn't stop people from botting
Minimum XP
Algren Cole
uhm....no they haven't. Nerfing areas where botters go doesn't stop people from botting
Ikinsey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
uhm....no they haven't. Nerfing areas where botters go doesn't stop people from botting
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Deathlord
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
How would this effect my game?
If you punsh the community due to a few, then you are on a downward spiral. What does it matter in the grand scheme of things if you do get all 200 skill points? What does it matter if a player has 1000 plat in bank and 1000 plat on there character? How does it effect the game? How does it affect my game time? Answer not on bit. They have put in traders for all the different goods, max weapons are 2 a penny anyway. The only people who will buy them either have spare cash or are too low level to use them 100% effectively. Runes, etc etc are all being controlled in game through traders. If a player has all the skills, and 1000 plat doesn't mean that he is, A/ Godly, B/ Clever, C/ A good guy to group with. D/ Does not make you a skilled player. (infact having all skills increases your chances to make crappy builds.) GW is not about finding that uber item as it does not exist. So I ask again, How does it effect the game? How does it affect my game time? |
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
uhm....yes they have. Banning tends to slow them down, if not stop them in their tracks.
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wow...you really have no concept of reality do you?
for every bot they ban there are 2 more that come into the game. it's a never ending process of whack-a-mole....you can't beat the botters because they outnumbered the developers by the thousands.
Ikinsey
I didn't say that isn't the case but its ignorant to say they haven't stopped botters. They have.
Ollj
XP != Gaming experience.
solo some charr as level 20 and learn from it.
solo some charr as level 20 and learn from it.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
I didn't say that isn't the case but its ignorant to say they haven't stopped botters. They have.
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yet I see a constant flow of "HHH ###" running out of audery rock...and seekers passage every day....
they haven't stopped botters....they never will. I commend them on their efforts, but set your sights on a reachable goal.
Ikinsey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
yet I see a constant flow of "HHH ###" running out of audery rock...and seekers passage every day....
they haven't stopped botters....they never will. I commend them on their efforts, but set your sights on a reachable goal. |
arnansnow
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
Why do you continue to say they haven't stopped botters? Look on the front page sometimes, they've banned 100s.
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And how many people play the game? And how many of them are botters? With just the 100s number, you can't get a good feel for how many out of the whole they have gotten.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
Why do you continue to say they haven't stopped botters? Look on the front page sometimes, they've banned 100s.
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rofl @ you thinking banning does anything...the botters aren't paying for the game...they're just cracking another CD Key and creating a new name...
Ninna
botters are in all online games
yes, the obvious bots get banned but many more stay in the game
yes, the obvious bots get banned but many more stay in the game
Sholtar
Guys, stop arguing over whether they've stopped botters. You're talking about two completely different things, and you don't even realize it. Ikinsey is saying that they've stopped some botters, and everyone's saying no, no, there are still botters! Of course there are still botters, that doesn't mean they haven't stopped some.
As for the issue, come on guys. ArenaNet has way more important things to worry about than adding a minimum XP so that you people can feel more happy about yourselves when you go kill a bunch of Charr and get 20 XP for it. It's a waste of time and it shouldn't even be added in the first place. Botters or not, having minimum XP would detract from the game, not add to it.
And, as I said earlier, nobody wants to see a level 20 pre-searing, so minimum XP is just plain out.
As for the issue, come on guys. ArenaNet has way more important things to worry about than adding a minimum XP so that you people can feel more happy about yourselves when you go kill a bunch of Charr and get 20 XP for it. It's a waste of time and it shouldn't even be added in the first place. Botters or not, having minimum XP would detract from the game, not add to it.
And, as I said earlier, nobody wants to see a level 20 pre-searing, so minimum XP is just plain out.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Sholtar
Guys, stop arguing over whether they've stopped botters. You're talking about two completely different things, and you don't even realize it. Ikinsey is saying that they've stopped some botters, and everyone's saying no, no, there are still botters! Of course there are still botters, that doesn't mean they haven't stopped some.
As for the issue, come on guys. ArenaNet has way more important things to worry about than adding a minimum XP so that you people can feel more happy about yourselves when you go kill a bunch of Charr and get 20 XP for it. It's a waste of time and it shouldn't even be added in the first place. Botters or not, having minimum XP would detract from the game, not add to it. And, as I said earlier, nobody wants to see a level 20 pre-searing, so minimum XP is just plain out. |
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
Arena net has already stopped botters.
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
I didn't say that isn't the case but its ignorant to say they haven't stopped botters. They have.
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actually...he is saying that they have stopped botters.
out of the hundreds that they've banned...they've probably stopped a fraction of that....
but you are right...this thread is going off-topic.
Sholtar
He's saying they've stopped botters. And they have stopped botters. He's not saying they've stopped all botters. And they haven't stopped all botters. Now enough about whether or not botters are taking over the world, can we get back on topic please?
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Sholtar
He's saying they've stopped botters. And they have stopped botters. He's not saying they've stopped all botters. And they haven't stopped all botters. Now enough about whether or not botters are taking over the world, can we get back on topic please?
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I think it's a lack of understanding in regards to how a botter works that makes it impossible for many of you to realize that ArenaNet has done nothing to stop botters....botters don't pay for the game(in general)...therefore there is no penalty for being banned...all they've effectively done is killed a few hundred CD Keys...
Shadow_Avenger
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Originally Posted by Deathlord
Because this is a freakin MMORPG, and as one, your not the only one that will effect your gameplay. A grinding one might mean a guy is willing to pay 1000 plat for a weapon you think is worth 10k. All you have is 10k, yet because he has unfairly cheated, you cannot get the item. If your attitude towards cheaters is "They don't effect me", you should probably take a good look at the economy, and make sure your not one of those cheaters.
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Any and I mean any Player can find any item and unlock any upgrade item without having to buy. If you buy then thats your choice, but unlocks are found through random drops, or through PvP.
If I had to find item x that was only on creature 'thththteds the great' and spawned 1x per month like on a real MMORPG then you may have a point, but you don't as GW is not a MMORPG. Even A.net and ALL A.nets PR staff denies GW is a MMORPG, it is a Competitve online role play game with a primary focus on PvP in a controlled, balanced enviroment.
So no botters don't affect me in the slightest, the economy is controlled through Traders now, if anything, botters actually have more gear to sell to traders, which in turn brings the prices down at the traders, which means I can get that superiour rune for my RP char cheaper. This actually benifits me.
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Studio Ghibli
.. simply because they've banned a number of botters doesn't mean they've banned all botters.
You make a better code. Someone will make a better code-breaker.
You make a better code. Someone will make a better code-breaker.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
GW is not a MMORPG, it is a CORPG, It doesn't have UBER items and collectable items like a typical MMORPG. It has standardised equipment to keep the PvP in balance.
Any and I mean any Player can find any item and unlock any upgrade item without having to buy. If you buy then thats your choice, but unlocks are found through random drops, or through PvP. If I had to find item x that was only on creature 'thththteds the great' and spawned 1x per month like on a real MMORPG then you may have a point, but you don't as GW is not a MMORPG. Even A.net and ALL A.nets PR staff denies GW is a MMORPG, it is a Competitve online role play game with a primary focus on PvP in a controlled, balanced enviroment. So no botters don't affect me in the slightest, the economy is controlled through Traders now, if anything, botters actually have more gear to sell to traders, which in turn brings the prices down at the traders, which means I can get that superiour rune for my RP char cheaper. This actually benifits me. |
Shadow_Avenger
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
ArenaNet can call it a CORPG if they want....but it's a game where Massive numbers of people come to play Multiplier style Online...it's a MMORPG...my Honda is a honda whether I call it a ferarri or not.
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
Thats like saying A fiesta is the same as a honda, because it is a car. The game dynamics are different otherwise you many as will say it a FPS as after all GW and Unreal are both computer games where you kill each other and both have a PvE section. And they both have huge amounts of people online playing them and both have no more than 64players on anyone map.
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it's not like saying that at all....but if ignorance gets the best of you and you'd like to make comparisons using any iteration of what I said your imagination can muster up...go right ahead.
Ikinsey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
rofl @ you thinking banning does anything...the botters aren't paying for the game...they're just cracking another CD Key and creating a new name...
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
LOL. For one you are grouping botters. Are you implying that no average joe is just trying a bot on their char to get farther? I'll induldge youre inane idea that the professional ones are cracking CD keys for getting a new game, but I am still correct: A.net has stopped botters.
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the average joe trying out a bot on their character isn't a problem...and in general are easy to spot.
and if you think everyone playing this game paid for it....you know even less than I thought you did.
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Indigo
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger
How would it detract from the game??? It would take 30 seconds to implement. It is a change to one of the C++ files which handles XP calculations, it is a simple conditional statement that they could add. (yes the majority of the code is C++, why because thats what programing language they want programmers to know on their Jobs page.
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Sure it would take longer, but the XP would be a sure thing, as all you need with a low level mob is a good/decent weapon and more health than they have.
Ikinsey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
in the same essence that police officers have stopped speeding.
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Ikinsey
THAT is what I've been saying the whole time but you argued against it very ignorantly, its obvious im right.
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very obvious
bobrath
Looking at DiabloII... at higher levels, if you go back to act 1 normal... do you get any experience? My guess is no, its all on a sliding scale. The idea being to push characters to play in higher and higher areas. The reward is in the items found and the continued experience. Why would we want to encourage level 20s to come back to Ascalon? That will just result in more folks getting free rides into higher areas while having less clue about what working as a team means.
arnansnow
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Originally Posted by bobrath
Looking at DiabloII... at higher levels, if you go back to act 1 normal... do you get any experience? My guess is no, its all on a sliding scale. The idea being to push characters to play in higher and higher areas. The reward is in the items found and the continued experience. Why would we want to encourage level 20s to come back to Ascalon? That will just result in more folks getting free rides into higher areas while having less clue about what working as a team means.
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Actually you do get exp in Act 1 if you are a very high level. It would be like getting .5 exp in GW though. As Diablo two, the Level system only makes the amount needed go up, it doesn't change how much they give you (unless you are with more people or are /players 8)
Garrett
Have they stopped all botters? No.
Have they put a dent in professional botters? Yes.
Have they stopped casual botting in it's tracks? I'd say so.
I know I haven't seen events like the flood of bots in seeker's passage again.
So yes they are having an effect on the activities of botters.
They don't have to stop EVERY botter in order to simply make it innefficient to bot.
Have they put a dent in professional botters? Yes.
Have they stopped casual botting in it's tracks? I'd say so.
I know I haven't seen events like the flood of bots in seeker's passage again.
So yes they are having an effect on the activities of botters.
They don't have to stop EVERY botter in order to simply make it innefficient to bot.
Shadow_Avenger
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Originally Posted by Indigo
It would detract from the game because anyone could sit in Ascalon City (pre or post searing) and run in and out of the city clearing out low level mobs until they are 20th level (15th level in presearing). Instead of playing the game. It has little to do with how long it would take to implement. It has to do with the abuse possible, because you could, in essence, get to level 20, run to beacon's perch, then run south, skipping half the PvE portion of the game.
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So what if someone wants to reach level 20 in ascalon, what difference does it make?? The game is made up of instances, if someone wants to farm Charr for 3 months till they level 20 fairplay to them. Lonar's wouldn't be their if they didn't want to give access through the shiverpeaks from north to south and visa versa. It is upto the idividual wither or not they want to skip Kryta, A.net / NCSoft designed it that way, and they also put key areas in position where you would have to complete key parts of the game to open others. i.e. Tombs. And if you did skip Kryta, you would more than likely return there to adventure / quest. Who said that you cannot adventure in Kryta and do the ,missions in Kryta after ascention. Erm no one.
EmperorTippy
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Originally Posted by arnansnow
Actually you doget exp in Act 1 if you are a very high level. It would be like getting .5 exp in GW though. As Diablo two, the Level system only makes the amount needed go up, it doesn't change how much they give you (unless you are with more people or are /players 8)
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Now on topic. If the minium xp was added it would prolly have no effect on 99% of the playing community. Yes I would go and get a lvl 20 pre-seer and so would a few others but whats the real problem with this? I have left at lvl 16 and the first quest I took in post-seer made me lvl 17, so what how does it hurt you?
As for the botting questions. Yes there are bots. Yes ANet catches some or most of them. NO they can never stop them all. Adding randomization in would stop xp farming a lot. As for the bots doing AOE damage most AOE spells (at least for elemtalist) require a target.
bobrath
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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
In D2: LoD I had a level 99 Assassin who never left act 1. I was REALLY bored so I spent a couple of months (read like 6 months here) playing about 2 hours a day to do this. It made everything upto Hell pretty easy considering I never died (it was a hardcore character).
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Pandora's box
The idea of adding a little experience regardless the difference in levels is good because in post searing every monster attacks. It slows down the game and if players choose to kill those annoying little creatures than a small reward in exp. is just the logic consequence. Personally I prefer the situation in pre-searing where low level monsters just ignore you. Its more logical and if this could be implemented in post it would prevent a lot of unecessary slow downs. In that case I would recomment to keep the zero exp like it is now with 5-level differences. 
EmperorTippy
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Originally Posted by bobrath
You never left act 1... yet made it into Hell.... right.
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EDIT: Fixed a mess up with bold
arnansnow
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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy
I was lvl 99 before I left act 1. Sorry if my post wasn't clear. I raised him to level 99 in act 1 then went on and did the game.
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EmperorTippy
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Originally Posted by arnansnow
You have way too much free time if you were able to manually level a character to 99. Or else you used an editor.
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bobrath
ok.... Basing my figures on information here: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/basics/levels.shtml
You managed to accumulate 3,520,485,254 experience points in act 1 normal... Lets look at you leveling from 98 to 99 in that act. That would take 291,058,498 experience points. With the exp penalty you'd get 1 point per mob killed.
If you can kill one monster every second, then getting from level 98 to 99 would take you 4,850,975 minutes ... which is 80,849 hours ... which is 3,368 days ... which is 9 and a quarter years.
Diablo 2 has been out for 5 years as of June 20th of this year.
5 < 9.22
Even if you were at level 98 when diablo 2 hit stores, you would have just passed halfway on your quest to level to 99 staying in only act1 normal.
Heck, if I assume that you got the perfect setup and can kill 5 monsters every second (this includes time to load new games, go to the bathroom, eat, and sleep) ---- wait for it ----- you would have to spend 1 year, 10 months, and 5 days to move from 98 to 99.
Thanks for playing, next time you decide the internet is a good place to lie... pick something that isn't impossible to claim you did.
You managed to accumulate 3,520,485,254 experience points in act 1 normal... Lets look at you leveling from 98 to 99 in that act. That would take 291,058,498 experience points. With the exp penalty you'd get 1 point per mob killed.
If you can kill one monster every second, then getting from level 98 to 99 would take you 4,850,975 minutes ... which is 80,849 hours ... which is 3,368 days ... which is 9 and a quarter years.
Diablo 2 has been out for 5 years as of June 20th of this year.
5 < 9.22
Even if you were at level 98 when diablo 2 hit stores, you would have just passed halfway on your quest to level to 99 staying in only act1 normal.
Heck, if I assume that you got the perfect setup and can kill 5 monsters every second (this includes time to load new games, go to the bathroom, eat, and sleep) ---- wait for it ----- you would have to spend 1 year, 10 months, and 5 days to move from 98 to 99.
Thanks for playing, next time you decide the internet is a good place to lie... pick something that isn't impossible to claim you did.
Algren Cole
I can't believe you wasted your time researching, developing a theory, and then writing a lengthy post about....simply to prove someone on the internet was lying...
bobrath
slow day at work!
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by bobrath
slow day at work!
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I feel ya