Warriors underpowered in PvP in factions...

Originally Posted by chumsy

More like it says wars are underpowered, if you ask me.
Have you ever seen a war out-damage or out-heal max IW + flurry with healing sig?
Is a war going to block or evade that IW?
Maybe he'll disenchant it after taking dmg for 3 seconds, or disenchant the enchantment stacked on top of it.

Originally Posted by Skarjak

Don't worry it'll be all well after the preview event. The same thing happened last time. Since assassins tend to attack quite fast, spiteful spirit completely destroys them. And since everyone and their dog is testing the new professions, you are bound to run into some remorseless necromancers (like me) who stack on spiteful spirit and degen hexes on the assassins and laugh all the way to the priest of Balthazar.

Originally Posted by Glob of Noobloplasm

I see this happen too much in PvP and it makes me laugh, the necro casts SS and just runs, this defys the point of even casting it in the first place, since the people chasing you arent activating the hex.

Originally Posted by chumsy

Have you ever seen a war out-damage or out-heal max IW + flurry with healing sig?

Originally Posted by chumsy

Warriors were always underpowered - just try killing any anti-war build or prot monk with war and see.

And assassins = wars with no adrenal skills.
Why? Because they only have enough energy to do 1 combo before they're useless.

Originally Posted by stamenflicker

Sugggestions?

Originally Posted by Mage Henchnem

Warriors underpowered? You deffinatly don't know how to play a warrior. Warrior do the most DPS in the game. You talk about being a warrior and fighting an anti-warrior build and loosing... umm... duh!
Thats why you have the rest of your team. If you take out the ele's wards or blinds and the trapper then the warrior is back! You just need to learn how to play the toon.
Sorry if this sounded harsh, but I could't help but to laugh at your comment.

Originally Posted by Hella Good

Problem is: warriors can't deal with the fact that they might have to think about stuff that is being used to counter them. Most wars just have to do the hack'n'slash, press keys in sequence thing. That's the bottom line.

Originally Posted by Siliconwafer

Warriors are certainly not overpowered in PvP. They do damage, that's all they're required to do, and they do that extremely well. To generalise broadly, the other classes are there to see that the warrior does their job. Which means keeping them clean, and making sure that protections only present minimal problems.

But firstly,


Yes, there is a problem when you base an argument around one arena that is by its nature unequal and does not represent the whole of PvP. You are right when you say that a warrior can be shut down or compromised easily through conditions, hexes and raw damage on occasion. What you are failing to see is that 90% of the time, in all other forms of PvP, where you have the chance to organise a group, the battle revolves around who can keep the warriors clean.
This is because a warrior skillbar that is optimised to deal damage is scarier than everything else-including assassins. It's a fact that a warrior will deal more damage than any other class, when kept clean. Which is why you bring hex removal, condition removal, enchant removal, healing on your other character slots.

In random arena you have 8 slots. Not much can be done with 8 slots, compared to say, 64. As you said, if you counter those seven situations with a skill and bring a res, you're not going to do much attacking. So, in a 4v4 or 8v8 situation where you have control over a team's worth of skills, you can bring enough to ensure that a warrior can just do the damage required to kill people-which is what the warrior class boils down to.

You miss the fact that warriors aren't supposed to remove conditions and hexes from themselves (if they do, they have to spec in their secondary, which is obviously bad because you're detracting from your primary objective)-and the argument that "they should be because I keep getting owned in random arena because I can't do everything" is silly, because if one could do damage, remove hexes and conditions and heal themselves, it would imbalance the rest of the game. They're specialised characters, and should be treated as such.
Self-sufficiency (which is what I presume you want) is anathema to organised PvP (except perhaps on flaggers, but even then a flag build must be made with consideration to the rest of the team)-which is why I can't stress that criticising a class on its performance in random arenas is silly.

Random Arenas are not meant to be taken seriously, and trying to prove something is underpowered in the context of a 1v1 situation (which is what random arena boils down to, as you have no control over your teammates' skills) is again, silly.