Domination Build for PVP. Need YOUR input!

Wouldn't Blackout be a good call for a build so heavy in Domination for skill denial? I would think that blacking out an opponent for 7 seconds (given so many att points) would be pretty good call. All the same, I have no idea what I would take out of your build. In arena where positioning is not important, yes. However in GvG you would have to over-extend hugely to blackout a monk on spike for example. Mesmers just aren't built for that, too squishy.

As for Dom at 16; I really like getting the most damage out of characters as possible. If that shatter kills a target with 1 hp to spare, then it was worth the spec.

In arena where positioning is not important, yes. However in GvG you would have to over-extend hugely to blackout a monk on spike for example. Mesmers just aren't built for that, too squishy.

As for Dom at 16; I really like getting the most damage out of characters as possible. If that shatter kills a target with 1 hp to spare, then it was worth the spec. I notice how squishy they really are after playing many hours yesterday with that new build

Problem was Im so used to being able to take a Warrior on myself with my other build, that with this one I just couldn't handle it. Blackout wasn't so good because I would get owned as soon as I ran out of the backlines. I don't think this build is set for TA, there just isn't enough people and control. However, that being said when I actually had the chance to do control a Monk or another Mesmer they literally had no chance to do anything. Cry of Frustration with the Gylph was just mean... and Power Drain was incredible for getting a ton of energy back. Gylph is almost like an Echo in a way, only its very fast and not much energy. I was comparing the two, which is really the better? Echo or Glyph???

If we take a look at both:

Echo
Enchantment Spell
5E
1S
30 Recharge

For 20 seconds, Echo is replaced with the next skill you use. Echo acts as this skill for 20 seconds.

Glyph
5E
1S
15 Recharge

For 15 seconds, your next Spell instantly recharges.
The huge plus for the Glyph is the recharge time is cut in half. So basically allows you to cast two spells at the same time, more or less. Echo more or less does the same thing since you actually copy the spell. The the advantage I see is that with the Glyph you can pick whatever you want to recharge and basically always keep this active (15 s duration + 15 s recharge).

Is there any other advantages for using one or the other? I haven't really tried Echo, but the Gylph is pretty awesome. Hopefully Ill bring this to GVG and learn how to play. Its very different from my other mesmer build (Which is what makes this game so much fun) :P

That is the problem with arena. Highly offensive builds are hugely effective, but you just aren't going to last long enough to do the damage without a fairly competant monk. However, once you DO get on a team with a competant monk you can really have fun.

On the odd occasion that I do RA these days, dom mesmer one character type I love to have on my team, if played well. For the same reason that I prefer Warriors that are entirely offensive, and not packing two or three defensive skills. Whilst they may be more effective on teams without monks, on a team with a monk they will just be a gimp. I know exactly what you mean. Its like two completely different games.

If you have a really great team, you don't need to have those defensive skills, you can just dish out the damage and rely on the Monk to heal you. Problem is a lot of the time its PUGs and not many people are really aware of what is going on. I cannot even count how often I have to ask for a res after about 15-20 seconds of them still trying to fight them off. Im sorry but you should know right away if a member goes down to res them. 3-4 is such a huge handicap in this game but people just don't get it. Hell, I've only been playing for a month and this was one of the first things I learnt.

That being said, I really cannot wait to get to GVG and play this. I find because I am pretty new to Dom builds that I need some practice and unless I get lucky and have a really good group Ill get blasted by the Warrior.... The Ineptitude build I run solves all that.

Edit:

I have a semi-stupid/noob question. Maybe someone can answer.

Can you see what Enchantment is cast on your oponent? And furthermore what Hexes are cast on your Allies?? I realize the little "Up Arrow" and "Down Arrow" Signals which one is on but apart from actually having the enemy targetted to see what they cast is it possible to know what is on other chars or just yourself? Im just curious, maybe Im making things harder on myself. Sorry if this is obvious

Can you see what Enchantment is cast on your oponent? And furthermore what Hexes are cast on your Allies?? I realize the little "Up Arrow" and "Down Arrow" Signals which one is on but apart from actually having the enemy targetted to see what they cast is it possible to know what is on other chars or just yourself? Im just curious, maybe Im making things harder on myself. Sorry if this is obvious Other than watching for it being applied, or seeing it's effect (such as the animation around a life bonded person when they take damage); no, you can't.

Here's a question (haven't seen it answered yet, but I could have missed something)

What type of mask are you using?
Your attributes are at 11, 15, and 11 and only runes are listed...I would assume that it is a Dom mask but I thought I'd ask

(also too lazy to add up the att distribution to see where it was)


As far as the difference between glyph of renewal and echo:

IMHO Glyph of Renewal works better for spells with a long recharge. You can effectively reduce the recharge of a spell from 60 seconds to 15 seconds and it makes it much more usable.
Echo also works well for this but not quite as well as Glyph. Echo works MUCH better for spells with a short recharge that you want to be able to apply to more people. Also echo (elite) can be used on any skill and glyphs only apply to spells

I like to use echo with spells that I will be able to cast them at least twice with the echo'd copy. A 10 second recharge spell works well because it can be cast 4 times before your echo runs out (assuming a + enchant wep). I like to use glyph on things that I want to use twice and then wait out the recharge and then use twice again (power drainworks well and ethereal burden is fun...)

anyway those are my thoughts, sorry it is so rambling... Im using Dom Mask yes.

In addition, most things in this build are 25 Recharge. So I'd assume Glyph would be the better call. There is only 1 thing (Diversion) that is 10 Recharge and thats something Ill probably half spam anyways against annoying Spellcasters. Everything else is basically 20+.

So that helps. Ill stick with the Glyph!!

I have one more quick question. Is this better suited for HA/GVG or is the ESurge build? The reason I ask is because in HA I have a hard time getting a group sometimes. I say Im a Dom Glyph Mesmer and the only question I get is "Are you E-Surge".. when I say no I don't get a response.

Is ESurge that much better than what I have posted above?? The standard ESurge/Burn/SoW mesmer is a solid edenial build. It can plug into just about anything. The difference between a Glyph Dom and a Surge mesmer, is skill.

A mediocre mesmer would probably be far more usefull playing a Surger, because it quite simply is hard to get wrong. They can just find a target, karate chop their keyboard, and still get a fairly good result.

A decent mesmer would probably be far more effective playing a Glyph Dom, because you can cause a lot more disruption if you know how and when to use your skills, and on which target.

Both have a place in HA and GvG, although due to the nature of PuGs and the Surge Mesmer's simplicity, you will probably get into more groups with a standard surge build.

Ok perfect!

So Ill run the following:

Glyph of Renewal
Cry Of Frustration
Diversion
Power Drain
Shatter Enchantment
Drain Enchantment
Power Leak
Res Signet

I have one more quick question. Is this better suited for HA/GVG or is the ESurge build? The reason I ask is because in HA I have a hard time getting a group sometimes. I say Im a Dom Glyph Mesmer and the only question I get is "Are you E-Surge".. when I say no I don't get a response.

Is ESurge that much better than what I have posted above?? Getting the same here.
People just want the e-Denial. However, I played e-denail and I don't think it's really that powerfull, as it doesn't really kill anything. (well it does but not quite as rapid or devastating)
With E-denail you better have a good team to finish the others off. And if there are 2 monks on the opposite team, it's kinde of annoying because you can't really drain 2 monks at a time.
O energy doesn't kill (and thus, completely shut down a monk) while 0 health does.
I'd opt for a build that's a little more damaging and not as "let's go berserk with drain skills".

just my 2 cents

The standard ESurge/Burn/SoW mesmer is a solid edenial build. It can plug into just about anything. The difference between a Glyph Dom and a Surge mesmer, is skill.

A mediocre mesmer would probably be far more usefull playing a Surger, because it quite simply is hard to get wrong. They can just find a target, karate chop their keyboard, and still get a fairly good result.

A decent mesmer would probably be far more effective playing a Glyph Dom, because you can cause a lot more disruption if you know how and when to use your skills, and on which target.

Both have a place in HA and GvG, although due to the nature of PuGs and the Surge Mesmer's simplicity, you will probably get into more groups with a standard surge build. Thanks for the response JR, however thats really unfortunate...

Just because I feel that the Glyph Mesmer is probably even better. Yes the other one is good and takes care of a lot of energy from Monks, etc, but the one I posted above is so good on distruption with Diverson, Cry of Frustration, etc...

I agree that this is harder to play but how can I practice this build when no one will allow me into their team without being an ESurger? Makes it really tough....

Plus, I think if I had to go ESurge I would have to use some skills from here. Mostly Diverson. Its just way too good.

Is ESurge that much better than what I have posted above?? The ESurge is just more popular, that's all. Also, you don't find good Domination mesmers everyday.

EDIT: Since you posted just before my post, I might just well adjust a bit.

IMO, if you have that kind of a problem going in a HA fight, get your Guild to GvG with you.