I was bored and thought it would be funny to do a search on Rurik's name considering many games take historical characters or locations and use them in thier games. Here is a link where you can read about the real Rurik. Heres some other examples, if you don't care to read these just scroll down to the link.
Game Name/ Historical Thing-a-ma-bobber
Fable: The name of the world in this fun yet short little rpg is Albion. If one was to look down in history they would find that Great Britain's ancient name at one point was Albion. Now you know where that accent the characters have came from. >_<
Prince Of Persia: The fun little game feature the prince of well Persia and his struggle agaisnt bad. The funny thing is that Perisa was the ancient name of Iran.
Dynasty Warriors/ Samurai Warriors: Both of these games made by Koei feature actual historical fighters that lived in fuedual Japan and China. Most people may have guessed this but other belived they were made up.
Heres the Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik
MERGED: Information On The Real Rurik And Other Things
Leon_Ux-ixen
eudas
interesting wikipedia entry for Rurik.
Also interesting that it includes the word Hrodric, which is of course notable in Diablo2.
eudas
Also interesting that it includes the word Hrodric, which is of course notable in Diablo2.
eudas
Numa Pompilius
Russian historians generally disregard the legend of Rurik of Rus as just legend for nationalistic reasons, because it'd mean that vikings, westerners, founded what was to become Russia; worse, they were invited because the russians themselves couldn't agree on who should rule; and, worst of all, indeed the name Russia derived from a western people.
If you're a nationalistic russian historian, that is simply Not On.
For those who've seen the movie King Arthur, they follow the Russian view, and make the Rus a slav people from the Black Sea, rather than vikings, despite the obvious bizarreness of having mercenaries from the Black Sea region fighting in Britain. Presumably this was simply a case of shoddy background checking, as they seem to have confused them with the horseback-warrior people the Kurgans.
The Kurgans, in turn, show up and get misrepresented in another movie: Highlander, where they're portrayed as a people who get their kicks by throwing babies to dogs, and the main villain is simply known as 'the Kurgan'.
But to the historic Rurik, being associated with the mad rusher Rurik of Ascalon is probably much worse than being confused with a Kurgan.
Oh, and incidentally: Numa Pompilius was the second king of Rome.
If you're a nationalistic russian historian, that is simply Not On.
For those who've seen the movie King Arthur, they follow the Russian view, and make the Rus a slav people from the Black Sea, rather than vikings, despite the obvious bizarreness of having mercenaries from the Black Sea region fighting in Britain. Presumably this was simply a case of shoddy background checking, as they seem to have confused them with the horseback-warrior people the Kurgans.
The Kurgans, in turn, show up and get misrepresented in another movie: Highlander, where they're portrayed as a people who get their kicks by throwing babies to dogs, and the main villain is simply known as 'the Kurgan'.
But to the historic Rurik, being associated with the mad rusher Rurik of Ascalon is probably much worse than being confused with a Kurgan.
Oh, and incidentally: Numa Pompilius was the second king of Rome.
Diablo???
Iraq originated from Babylon, an ancient city that was once under Persian rule, until Alexander's arrival in Babylon and thus converting it to Mesopotamian state, that and among a few other historical cataclysmic events that would eventually seperate the two sovereignties into Iraq and Iran. So depending on how far back you go, Iraq and Iran were both part of Persia once.
Mercury Angel
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Lets just drop the flameing and insults and go back to topic please.
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Just a short note; About 7 posts in here were removed for being wildly off-topic.
sedgewick
A few more wiki searches turned up these:
For King Osric: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osric
For the Bladed Aatxe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aatxe
The sunken continent of Orr: named after the Orr (Yossarian's friend) from Catch-22?
On a side note, I've been a long-time lurker, and just recently started posting. But recently, why does it seems like every other topic in the GWGuru forums is either turned into a flame war or locked?
For King Osric: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osric
For the Bladed Aatxe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aatxe
The sunken continent of Orr: named after the Orr (Yossarian's friend) from Catch-22?
On a side note, I've been a long-time lurker, and just recently started posting. But recently, why does it seems like every other topic in the GWGuru forums is either turned into a flame war or locked?
HawkofStorms
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Iraq originated from Babylon, an ancient city that was once under Persian rule, until Alexander's arrival in Babylon and thus converting it to Mesopotamian state, that and among a few other historical cataclysmic events that would eventually seperate the two sovereignties into Iraq and Iran. So depending on how far back you go, Iraq and Iran were both part of Persia once.
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How would you define Spain? Visogothic? Islamic? Roman? You can't just say a country developed dirrectly from a people who lived there 1000 years ago. The only thing that is really remaining is the land mass.
Cador
You want one to boggle the mind Augury was named after the temple that the blind seer(talk about an oximoron) Tesseriaus if i spelled that right used to watch over and give his predictions
Leon_Ux-ixen
Wow lots of intersting facts, I'll have to save some it so I can reviw it.
Fist_of_God
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Under that logic, the United States originated by Native American settlements.
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Diablo???
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Under that logic, the United States originated by Native American settlements.
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We're talking about two different issues: You're speaking of who created the Iraqi nation, while that answere is definitely very much not persian. I was talking about the land of which the map is drawn from, which Iraq definitely sits on the land once belonging to Persia. And you are right, the great nation of United States may not be created by the Native Americans, but the soil it rests on today did belong to them. Depending how far you go back, our lands are often shared by cultures we didn't even know of, I guess you can say that our lands once originated from the Dinasour civilizations...
Diablo???
Allow me to rephrase so that the message can be clarified:
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The Land of Iraq originated from Babylon....
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Lexar
But I think the existance of Persia in history is common knowledge?
Anyway to add to this I think I can remember Ascalon to be a city and possibly a region that existed during the crusades and was destroyed at some point. I'd look it up to get the details but I'm lazy.
Anyway to add to this I think I can remember Ascalon to be a city and possibly a region that existed during the crusades and was destroyed at some point. I'd look it up to get the details but I'm lazy.
CyberNigma
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interesting wikipedia entry for Rurik.
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thanks for that bit of info..
Ailyrr Merlena
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Anyway to add to this I think I can remember Ascalon to be a city and possibly a region that existed during the crusades and was destroyed at some point. I'd look it up to get the details but I'm lazy.
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Three references:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01766b.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0101/feature4/
Warcheif_Jonval
This means the Charr/human battles are a metaphor (intentional or not) for the Crusades. only from the POV of the islamic states. A nice touch.
Leon_Ux-ixen
Wow very intersting might have to do a report on it for a history class. I also like the detail and background each of the proffesions have. Such as the Elementalist and the thrid eye which adds a +1 state bonus as we all should know. Many Wiccan and spellcasters today feel it help focus and unlock power from within so it make sence that it would raise a gievn skill. Though sence the wiccan belief isn't writen it can be taken and changed by the praticeners.(sp?)
Necromancers sacrifce blood to cast certain spells. I'm sure we all have heard of vodo docters and saintanic worshipers(sp?) using blood and other living things to cast certain spells and curses so I was very surpised to see that. The Monks seemed to be based off shoulin or temple monks which are usually found in Asian countries. The tattos that the monks bare can e seen on actual monks in pictures which is pretty trippy. It seems alot of history and detail from the real world was added into the game to give it a truelyeal feel.
Necromancers sacrifce blood to cast certain spells. I'm sure we all have heard of vodo docters and saintanic worshipers(sp?) using blood and other living things to cast certain spells and curses so I was very surpised to see that. The Monks seemed to be based off shoulin or temple monks which are usually found in Asian countries. The tattos that the monks bare can e seen on actual monks in pictures which is pretty trippy. It seems alot of history and detail from the real world was added into the game to give it a truelyeal feel.
Symeon
Interesting stuff here!
I just did a few searches on wikipedia myself:
Ettin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ettin
Aidan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidan
'Alessio', as of clicking 'go', takes you straight to 'Saint Alexius' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessio
Balthazar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar
Yak - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak
Ghoul - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
I just did a few searches on wikipedia myself:
Ettin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ettin
Aidan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidan
'Alessio', as of clicking 'go', takes you straight to 'Saint Alexius' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessio
Balthazar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar
Yak - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak
Ghoul - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
Forsythe
I've seen lots of similarities between the LOTR movies and Guild Wars. Ettins are a good example. In mythology, they're two- or three-headed monsters, while in the game they look almost identical to the cave trolls in FOTR. There are other similarities but I can't think of them right now.
Lexar
I think in some cases we're looking a little too hard. Maybe they just picked some of these names because they have a nice semi-medieval ring to it.
Forsythe
I am digging this up because I've inadvertently run across the etymology for the name "Althea" and thought some of you might find it interesting.
From the Greek name Αλθαια (Althaia), perhaps related to Greek αλθος (althos) "healing". In Greek myth she was the mother of Meleager. Soon after her son was born she was told that he would die as soon as a piece of wood that was burning on her fire was fully consumed. She immediately extinguished the piece of wood and sealed it in a chest, but in a fit of rage many years later she took it out and set it alight, thereby killing her son.
From the Greek name Αλθαια (Althaia), perhaps related to Greek αλθος (althos) "healing". In Greek myth she was the mother of Meleager. Soon after her son was born she was told that he would die as soon as a piece of wood that was burning on her fire was fully consumed. She immediately extinguished the piece of wood and sealed it in a chest, but in a fit of rage many years later she took it out and set it alight, thereby killing her son.
kooldude
RURIK
c.830 - c.879
Norman Warrior
Rurik is the name of the legendary Norman founder of the first Russian state of Novgorod. He was a prince of the Skandinavian Vikings, or Varangians. Rurik's kinsman Oleg founded the grand principality of Kiev, and Oleg's successor, Igor, believed to be Rurik's son, is considered the real founder of the Russian Rurik dynasty; the Rurik princes ruled until 1598.
c.830 - c.879
Norman Warrior
Rurik is the name of the legendary Norman founder of the first Russian state of Novgorod. He was a prince of the Skandinavian Vikings, or Varangians. Rurik's kinsman Oleg founded the grand principality of Kiev, and Oleg's successor, Igor, believed to be Rurik's son, is considered the real founder of the Russian Rurik dynasty; the Rurik princes ruled until 1598.
Symeon
Some more interesting research, I see...
I can't say that non-Guild Wars Althea sounds very nice
I like the way this thread has gone. Lots of research and thinking outside the Guild Wars box. Though a lot of these things we've found probably have no relation to the characters or creatures in-game, I think it's great to find these things popping up elsewhere.
And a lot of thanks to Wikipedia! What would we do without that site.
I can't say that non-Guild Wars Althea sounds very nice
I like the way this thread has gone. Lots of research and thinking outside the Guild Wars box. Though a lot of these things we've found probably have no relation to the characters or creatures in-game, I think it's great to find these things popping up elsewhere.
And a lot of thanks to Wikipedia! What would we do without that site.
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And a lot of thanks to Wikipedia! What would we do without that site.
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This thread is DEFINATELY taking a highly interesting twist, and I believe I shall return here once in a while to see what else has been uncovered.
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What I'm doing without it. Recently, my internet has ceased loading wikipedia pages. It is the same as dictionary.com and a few other sites.
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??? !!! ??? !!!Those are like, my most used websites, other than forums.
M4l3x
Interesting topic...
Slavic peoples originiated from the marshes where Slovakia is located (bordering Poland/Ukraine/Belarus). Legend, is sometimes a way to re-tell historical events, Although Rurik was a Viking, he only discovered the Slavs people because of trade routes, at that time the Slav people that have settled in the east, were under no rule and wars were waged against tribes, so for Rurik to come was to bring leadership and stop these wars. And Russian Nationalist can think what they like about it, the term Rus is still discussed, many theories proposed, some of from where Rus came from, some from a river. To me personally it seems to mean mustache
Although Rurik and his descendants rules Rus/Russia untill 15XX the Vikings were quickly to dissapear, assimilated, and by that time nothing is left of his blood-line...The Slavs are considered to be the closest to the original Indo-Europeans, genetically the Vikings and the Slavs were different, however close and related. What is important is that Russia is a great nation no matter where its name came from, its people should be proud and not let some Nationalists destroy it. I do have to say that the east Slavs while under the rule of the Scythians must have picked up some ideas from them, like using a horse in battle. And the thing about movies is that movies arent always correct some have poetic liscences
Slavic peoples originiated from the marshes where Slovakia is located (bordering Poland/Ukraine/Belarus). Legend, is sometimes a way to re-tell historical events, Although Rurik was a Viking, he only discovered the Slavs people because of trade routes, at that time the Slav people that have settled in the east, were under no rule and wars were waged against tribes, so for Rurik to come was to bring leadership and stop these wars. And Russian Nationalist can think what they like about it, the term Rus is still discussed, many theories proposed, some of from where Rus came from, some from a river. To me personally it seems to mean mustache
Although Rurik and his descendants rules Rus/Russia untill 15XX the Vikings were quickly to dissapear, assimilated, and by that time nothing is left of his blood-line...The Slavs are considered to be the closest to the original Indo-Europeans, genetically the Vikings and the Slavs were different, however close and related. What is important is that Russia is a great nation no matter where its name came from, its people should be proud and not let some Nationalists destroy it. I do have to say that the east Slavs while under the rule of the Scythians must have picked up some ideas from them, like using a horse in battle. And the thing about movies is that movies arent always correct some have poetic liscences
Selerious
that find on Alesio is interesting, it does sound a lot like Saul D'alesio a man that ran away then returned and became a saint (in a sense)
Dki
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hehe, I wasn't. You are correct, it was a stronghold important to the Crusades.
Three references: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01766b.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0101/feature4/ |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod's_Temple
Now read carefull
Both the askelon and the one i post
Askelon was destroy by Crusaders and all that ocupation basicaly the Islam against the Crusader.
OK whitematel knight home is Lion's Arch(Lion's Gate in Jerusalen witch was the holy city acording to the Crusade) and they turn out been the bad guys.
Leon_Ux-ixen
mattrung2
rurik is actually chuck noris in disguise, soon we will find out that we didnt actually kill his undead body, but instead he faked his own death to humble himself to the world.
anubis_master
no im not a fanatic that thinks GW is real in an alternate universe...
Anyways i was wating the history channle and somthing about the crusades were on and it said the egypt tryed to attack a place controlled by the crusades call ascalon. i went on wikipedia and found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascalon
i was interested and tryed searching for kryta, orr and manguuma and found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orr_%28surname%29
then i tryed places in cantha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxon
i didnt find anything on kursicks though
Anyways i was wating the history channle and somthing about the crusades were on and it said the egypt tryed to attack a place controlled by the crusades call ascalon. i went on wikipedia and found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascalon
i was interested and tryed searching for kryta, orr and manguuma and found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orr_%28surname%29
then i tryed places in cantha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxon
i didnt find anything on kursicks though
Pi_Numurian
Spelled wat different
tenorplayer
Haha... luxon... a particle that always moves at the speed of light... the Luxons used to be seafarers, now they're nomads. Always been moving. Pretty interesting.
I bet the person at ANet who made the name "Luxon" remembered hearing about luxons being things that move fast and (s)he was like "Wow, cool name!" and bam, here we are.
Or it could be a coincidence but I like my explanation.
I bet the person at ANet who made the name "Luxon" remembered hearing about luxons being things that move fast and (s)he was like "Wow, cool name!" and bam, here we are.
Or it could be a coincidence but I like my explanation.
Haggard
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i didnt find anything on kursicks though
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tick tack toe
intresting i have to say
Arutima
Orr is quite funny.
surely named after the Orr family, that perish in the explosion of the Mont-blanc,an ammonition ship, in Halifax, the december 6th 1917. (that explosion almost totally destroyed the town, and was considered the largest explosion made by men, until the first atomic explosion)
http://www.cbc.ca/halifaxexplosion/index.html
surely named after the Orr family, that perish in the explosion of the Mont-blanc,an ammonition ship, in Halifax, the december 6th 1917. (that explosion almost totally destroyed the town, and was considered the largest explosion made by men, until the first atomic explosion)
http://www.cbc.ca/halifaxexplosion/index.html
Martian
I actually know someone of the surname Orr, and i saw a documentary on the "Children Of Ascalon". Apparently it was the world capital for child abandonment 
One more reason not to trust Rurick...
One more reason not to trust Rurick...
Riplox
So now Rurik is the new Michael Jackson?
Fred Kiwi
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Cresint
Alot of fantasy names on based on real historical names. This is no surprise